Splat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chris Herring @HerringWSJ about 19 minutes ago

Knicks gave Philly a 2019 second-round pick and the right to swap a 2018 second-round pick to take Outlaw. Knicks then waived Moultrie.

They just gave away a 2nd round pick without getting anything back.

What am I missing here?

If the outcome is Wear gets his roster spot, couldn't that have been achieved simply by waiving Outlaw?

So the only value of the trade is saving $3M in exchange for a 2nd round pick?

I guess Phil must think they can easily buy 2nd round picks whenever they need them. Why hold on to them then? Huh?

By 2019, we should all be sippin on championship bubbly.

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chris Herring @HerringWSJ about 19 minutes ago

Knicks gave Philly a 2019 second-round pick and the right to swap a 2018 second-round pick to take Outlaw. Knicks then waived Moultrie.

They just gave away a 2nd round pick without getting anything back.

What am I missing here?

If the outcome is Wear gets his roster spot, couldn't that have been achieved simply by waiving Outlaw?

So the only value of the trade is saving $3M in exchange for a 2nd round pick?

I guess Phil must think they can easily buy 2nd round picks whenever they need them. Why hold on to them then? Huh?

By 2019, we should all be sippin on championship bubbly.

That,

or

rotting like Season 5 corpses on The Walking Dead

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:We just need TripleThreat to clear all of this up

I'm sure he has a valid explanation for the GOLD

Phil just gave away for nothing

Was he talking about giving away future first rounders or second? I do believe there is a difference in the two.

There's a difference in what

Bargs makes and Outlaw correct

There's a difference in cutting a player

And acquiring one who becomes serviceable breaking the rotation correct

I'll wait

knicks1248 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I'm surprised Moultrie didn't work out in Philly. He was a high motor guy at Miss St. Scored well and rebounded too.

Yeah hes a guy who actually played pretty well his 1st year and did not play much last year. He's got some skills and hes tall--but I don't think we got him to keep him.

We've already cut him according to twitter

Yep and I guess the Owner is communicating

To the President "he cares about his money"

There goes the "it's not your money it's Dolans

Our owner is worth billions, what's the big deal"

Also with trading pick(s) I said get a serviceable player back

Not cut him before the ink dries

So far we lifted the protection on 2nd rounder back to Sac

Traded essentially 2 2nd rounders to Philly

Travis Outlaw proved he had near 3 2nd round pick trade value?

Am I missing something here

how high do you expect that 2nd round pick to be 5 yrs from now,when hopefully the knicks will be coming off there 2nd championship run, and the cap will be close to 90 mill.

Also i just took a brief look at the last 4 drafts, there is about 8 players total taking in the 2nd round that are still in the NBA today.

Okay let's go with the theory we'll be bad come 2018-2019

Our run only last a couple yrs

Remember I said anchor a 1st with Bargnani's $12mil

If we'll be bad then the 1st could very well be high

As would the 2nd rounder

If you say we'd be good in contention the 1st rounder is therefore low

Wouldn't crack rotation to help compete as wouldn't the 2nd

But the 2nd rounders in this case proves Phil thinks we're going to be good

Otherwise why throw them away with Outlaw

So take your pick in explaining the difference and make it come out smelling like roses

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chris Herring @HerringWSJ about 19 minutes ago

Knicks gave Philly a 2019 second-round pick and the right to swap a 2018 second-round pick to take Outlaw. Knicks then waived Moultrie.

They just gave away a 2nd round pick without getting anything back.

What am I missing here?

If the outcome is Wear gets his roster spot, couldn't that have been achieved simply by waiving Outlaw?

So the only value of the trade is saving $3M in exchange for a 2nd round pick?

I guess Phil must think they can easily buy 2nd round picks whenever they need them. Why hold on to them then? Huh?

By 2019, we should all be sippin on championship bubbly.

i hope so but people have been saying that for 15 years and we end up sucking lol

I hear things are different now.

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The trade basically comes out to the hope is Wear becoming better than the two 2nd rounders given up.

Not really because they could have just cut Outlaw and kept Wear. It was a business transaction to save money and free up a space.

newyorknewyork wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Andrew wrote:Knicks get a trade exception too right?

Yeah we do, which is the only bonus here

We now have 2. One for 3.7mil one for 3mil.

Its possible this is a move in preparation for another move.

The backlash is who we sign or trade

To fill those exception slots

Once filled Dolan's check book might bounce

Not sure if good ideay this year

But by next year depends on how our cap looks

I guess we'll have to see how it plays out

EnySpree wrote:If the Knicks waive outlaw his money still goes against the cap right?

Yes it would but that's why

You have good execs in place and do what

Mavs did with J.J. Berea, you buy Outlaw out

To get the figure to a manageable number, to lower cap and tax hold

What you don't do is leverage picks against current costs

Not in case the dumpage is in the form of Amar'e-Bargs-J.R.

Because by 2018-2019 dollars to donuts the price for picks will rise

I think the going rate for second round picks say in the range of 40s

It's $1mil cash plus what you sign them for

Any higher you're talking $1.5mil to $3mil

They're probably going to modify cash considerations

On trades in the new CBA, either duplicate the escrow value or increase it