Splat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Splat wrote:Anyway, I agree. Melo is a giant POS. But NYC is full of buttlicking fools and Dolan is a fool, so its a marriage made in heaven (for fool fans and fool owners).

75% of the fans are so desperate for anything that resembles a star they will forgive just about anything, including the sad realities that their star has a BB IQ about one step above Amare's, they are a Me First player in every way and they are a duplicitous money-grubbing bastard who gets away with mouthing fake pieties to the mics about teamwork when he is really just a big douche all about the money.

But hey that's why Dolan is smarter than most of the fans, because he just gives them what they want. And they got it.

I agree Phil is just Dolan redux and it is not money ball, but it is money and they're having a ball playing their gee-tars with dem Eagles and reading Zen poems in Santa Barbara.

Year 1 into this project and you already deciphered all of that? Really dude?

Huh? Melo has been here for years. He is a giant douche.

But I do agree entirely with TT that Phil is exactly the same Dolan pattern as before. Make the publicity gathering signing and rake in the dough. Whether Phil can make it work or not is not clear yet, but as TT said, it is already tainted by a fake philosophy which is all about buying time, not building teams.

Re-signing Melo was retarded, but I knew that was the box Phil walked into so I don't get too worked up about it. I'm already resigned to this franchise not getting over the hump as long as Dolan owns it. Phil really is old and on his last gig. This is not a long-term solution but another fancy band-aid ultimately.

I tried to believe, but I just can't. It's no more real to me than saluting the U.S. Flag and pledging allegiance. It's mostly a hoax. And there are a lot of suckers, so it was a good play by Dolan who is not as dumb as he sounds and looks.

I think we should've traded Melo to the Bulls for as many assets as possible and rebuild. I didn't like the Tyson Chandler trade and definitely didn't care for the Outlaw deal either. I hated the fact that we missed out on Aaron Afflalo when all it would've taken was Shumpert and our 51st pick; and I also hated the fact that we didn't get Pau Gasol who was readily available via a sign and trade for a non-guaranteed e.g. Sam Dalembert. I don't like the future FA landscape or the idea that our cap space will bring us difference makers in the near future. In spite of all that, it's only been Phil's first offseason. Give him time and an opportunity to distinguish himself. So far, Derek Fisher looks good as coach and the triangle has worked well with subpar talent. So let's no curse Phil just yet. Time will be his judge.

newyorknewyork wrote:I will put this here because I don't want to start a thread on it. Paul Milsap would be perfect in the triangle after thinking about what Acy was asked to do.

Anyway carry on with the whining about how Phil 7 months on the job isn't doing it your way.

I completely agree. It irritated the **** out of me to know we gave up a draft pick and contracts for Bargnani when Millsap, Mo Williams and Marvin Williams were attainable for free from the Jazz. Those 3 would've gotten us into the playoffs last year and would've looked brilliant in the triangle.

NardDogNation wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:Phil is not here unless he had a plan.

Is "Tanking" part of it?

The only real "plan" that would make sense would be to get rid of Melo.

Phil's biggest mistake he didn't bother to

Entertain what "Get Rid Of Melo" value was

He had a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card

But instead rolled over on his cot and let

Out of shape Bubba pillage his backside

I do not believe Phil has any MRSAT data-Pingers etc etc that tells him

What players are gonna work in this system with Melo

Over the next 3-4yrs, because quite honestly there aren't any

Then to top it off he's trading away the GOLD bro

It kills me how dudes that probably couldn't do a successful push-up can go and call one of the fittest athletes in the league an "outta shapp bubba".

I can do 50 push-ups in a row no break

I'm talking core up, bent elbows, chin down to ground diesel style

Melo has been out of shape at least 75% of his time here

Dude gets gased after the 2nd qrt, then we get gashed 2nd halves

In Melo's case, the criticism is if you're getting paid like Trump times infinity, then how could you not be in the best shape possible?

And that is why some found it gag-worthy this Summer when the media pump job tried to represent Melo's conditioning regimen as somehow noteworthy. All that did is leave egg on that vain diva's face, because it showed once and for all what he could have been doing in every off-season up to now and he had not.

Melo's a vain prick. He talks a lot of ridiculous boiler-plate robotic nonsense like Stat and rarely follows through on it.

So, yeah, bash that MF'er. He spent most of his career waltzing into training camp having to work himself into shape. He doesn't get a pat on the head for doing it this one time.

NardDogNation wrote:

Splat wrote:I think the point is not whether or not an athlete is in good enough shape to compete, but whether their particular body is tuned to its optimum best.

In Melo's case, the criticism is if you're getting paid like Trump times infinity, then how could you not be in the best shape possible?

And that is why some found it gag-worthy this Summer when the media pump job tried to represent Melo's conditioning regimen as somehow noteworthy. All that did is leave egg on that vain diva's face, because it showed once and for all what he could have been doing in every off-season up to now and he had not.

Melo's a vain prick. He talks a lot of ridiculous boiler-plate robotic nonsense like Stat and rarely follows through on it.

So, yeah, bash that MF'er. He spent most of his career waltzing into training camp having to work himself into shape. He doesn't get a pat on the head for doing it this one time.

And how do you know what Melo's "optimal" shape is or what it would look like? It just sounds ridiculous on its face, especially when you're talking about a guy who is a perennial all-star. Maybe you should criticize LeBron and Durant while you're at it.

Every body type is different, I'll give you that much.

Yet, how then does that explain away the empty hype about this season's conditioning program?

Did his body change? Evidently it did. He got leaner. Will he ever be cut? No, not unless he becomes a roid drinking bodybuilder.

He trained harder this off-season. Why now? I don't frigging care. What I want to know is why did it take a decade for him to dedicate himself to his off-season conditioning like this?

Defend him all you want. He has a history of not working at hard on his off-season conditioning as he could.

Nalod wrote:Phil is not telecommuting. Seems committed.

Melo is not out of shape, He is not Lebron, michael or Kobe.

You won't see phil say "we are tanking".

There is no expectation so there is no "disaster" to occur.

big man through draft or marc gasol?
point guard through draft should be really easy once we trade amare in december.

Splat wrote:I think the point is not whether or not an athlete is in good enough shape to compete, but whether their particular body is tuned to its optimum best.

In Melo's case, the criticism is if you're getting paid like Trump times infinity, then how could you not be in the best shape possible?

And that is why some found it gag-worthy this Summer when the media pump job tried to represent Melo's conditioning regimen as somehow noteworthy. All that did is leave egg on that vain diva's face, because it showed once and for all what he could have been doing in every off-season up to now and he had not.

Melo's a vain prick. He talks a lot of ridiculous boiler-plate robotic nonsense like Stat and rarely follows through on it.

So, yeah, bash that MF'er. He spent most of his career waltzing into training camp having to work himself into shape. He doesn't get a pat on the head for doing it this one time.

Yeah all he did was tell on himself this summer

He even had Tobias Harris of the Orlando Magic

On his Campaign Going Strong talking about how

Melo's gut no longer hides peter and how he has a 24 inch waist

James did the canned I'm Coming message Melo followed,

James posted random pics on twitter of his skinny Melo followed,

With exception to, changing the vertical-horizontal aspect ratio on his pic

I chronicled this summer what he's done his whole career concerning conditioning

He goes about it, like a chick trying to fit into a dress

She hasn't been able to wear in a long time in efforts to impress the gullible

Or a boxer trying to make weight for a catch weight fight

Melo provided explanation this summer why he got into better shape

And if you read between the tea leaves, it centered around a selfish motivation

"I want to extend my playing career" = "I want another fat check from the new CBA BOOM money"

Splat wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Tanking won't help Fisher become a better coach. It looks like he will be here for 2-3 years. Phil is building from the ground up, tanking isn't part of his foundation. Different team, different circumstances, sometimes tanking is a smart move. Not this time IMO.

Building from the ground up by spending max money on a player who is just a scorer, but not a leader? You build franchises around leaders, something Melo is not.

This is anything but a rebuild from the ground up. That would have take real vision and guts.

This is just the same old Knicks and their 15 year history of always opening up the vaults for the wrong players.

Melo is not a player you build around. He is a player you plug into a team like Chicago. Making him the centerpiece of anything and mortgaging a good part of your finances to satisfy him is really a joke of a strategy.

So why do it? Because NYC fans are pussies who can't handle a real rebuild and that's why Dolan pays through the nose for selfish ballhogs like Melo and a prima donna like Jackson. Its good PR. It keeps people happy.

Dolan fooled almost every one of you with his aw shucks, I just wanna write gee-tar songs routine. He's your P.T. Barnum. A sucker is born every minute.

Guess we're lucky to have you here, with all of us being fooled by Dolan that is. I take it you won't be buying a Melo jersey.

Splat wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Splat wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Tanking won't help Fisher become a better coach. It looks like he will be here for 2-3 years. Phil is building from the ground up, tanking isn't part of his foundation. Different team, different circumstances, sometimes tanking is a smart move. Not this time IMO.

Building from the ground up by spending max money on a player who is just a scorer, but not a leader? You build franchises around leaders, something Melo is not.

This is anything but a rebuild from the ground up. That would have take real vision and guts.

This is just the same old Knicks and their 15 year history of always opening up the vaults for the wrong players.

Melo is not a player you build around. He is a player you plug into a team like Chicago. Making him the centerpiece of anything and mortgaging a good part of your finances to satisfy him is really a joke of a strategy.

So why do it? Because NYC fans are pussies who can't handle a real rebuild and that's why Dolan pays through the nose for selfish ballhogs like Melo and a prima donna like Jackson. Its good PR. It keeps people happy.

Dolan fooled almost every one of you with his aw shucks, I just wanna write gee-tar songs routine. He's your P.T. Barnum. A sucker is born every minute.

Guess we're lucky to have you here, with all of us being fooled by Dolan that is. I take it you won't be buying a Melo jersey.

Don't buy jerseys. I still watch the games, so I'm a glutton for punishment just like everyone else. The only difference is I understand how little we the fans matter to Melo and to James Dolan. They do what they do to get paid. They are not your friends or your allies. The only person Melo cares about is himself.

He's a fraud. And bright enough to be greedy. You know he wants to be the world's first digital athlete. He spent as much time this Summer talking about his business interests as he did about the Knicks. The spoiled little douche wanted to experience being courted in free agency. Who talks like that? He's an ahole.

We want our star to succeed, nothing more than that. His personality (or lack thereof) is a subject that has been done to death at UK, maybe more than on any other Knicks board. Most posters know that Anthony is a flawed player, but we aren't so wrapped up in these flaws that it keeps us from taking the good and the bad from Melo. Plenty of other posters you can unburden yourself to about how Melo is making being a Knick fan so traumatic.

GustavBahler wrote:
We want our star to succeed, nothing more than that. His personality (or lack thereof) is a subject that has been done to death at UK, maybe more than on any other Knicks board. Most posters know that Anthony is a flawed player, but we aren't so wrapped up in these flaws that it keeps us from taking the good and the bad from Melo. Plenty of other posters you can unburden yourself to about how Melo is making being a Knick fan so traumatic.

Yet it is completely relevant to my rebuttal that this is not rebuild from the ground up. It is pitching a tent around this guy with the flaws you're evidently fully cognizant of.

And a key part of why he is not the centerpiece of any franchise is precisely because he is a selfish ahole. It is the root cause of his flaws, because while his talent may not include the NBA's best lateral quickness on defense, he surely is plenty talented and capable of being a complete player. He is anything but that and his reputation as a ballstopper was well-earned.

Sure, maybe the system will help him learn, but I have absolutely no faith in him really changing enough to really matter. If he pulls this team out of funks by doing everything else with gusto besides just reverting to hero ball, then I'll applaud him. If he does that consistently over a full season and shows he is a changed man, I will step right up and compliment on his character, something I think can be changed if you want to badly enough.

Melo is like the worst kind of two-term presidency. It has been kind of torture watching his chitty style of play for years already and I know it will be just as boring for another go-around unless he changes his game significantly. He is the most overrated player I've ever seen, because people slobber over this guy regardless of how he never adds up to much more than a statistical factoid.

I don't respect his character, his intelligence or his motivations. He works hard at getting his points. Whoopee! It gets him fat contracts. Scorers get the glory. He's just another Bob McAdoo. A scoring champion, but that's it. Big deal.