dodger78 wrote:The guy out at the 4 spot right now quite honestly if you take the preseason games is Amare.
Start Smith with Bargs and Acy as Backups... then Smith and Bargs can get minutes at the 5 as well...
Stoudamire is out...
PG Rotation... Obviously Calderon, then Prigs and Larkin depending on the game.
Shump looking good so far!

How is Bargs ahead of Amare? he played one game, amare is playing within the system.

Would love the logic...are we basing on last year? Even then it's Amare.

Just wondering, and not because I think you are wrong, just want to be shown the light.

Amare will run and gun with the 2nd unit in his final days as a KNICK until his knees give out.

Acy & Jason will be bigger factors unless the team is down by a ton of points then you might put Amare in

BRIGGS wrote:If Fischer doesnt start Smith at PF and he gives Acxy 30 minutes--we deserve to lose and he will be questionable as a coach right away in my book. Acy hs had a ice little sample--hes had more minutes than anyone else. He has not stood out--he plays hard and pretty well--bt he is no "Ken Farid' or even a poor mans Faried. Josef Nurkic a rookie had more rebounds in 19 minutes his first game than Acy has had in 4 games and well over 100 minutes of play.
Smith has shown he can rebound and score and imho he will do that at close to 50%. IF his body can go 32-33 minutes--than he should go. Bargs is a chemistry killer Smith will blend in and be effective--Bargs needs a new role off the bench. I dont know where Acy goes but I dont think u go from a reserve role on a 24 win team to a starting spot on a good team

Jason actually may not be a guy who can go 33 minutes a game over 82+ games. His value is commensurate to his consistent availability, thus I'd expect the staff to monitor his minutes and health very closely. He has not been durable before.

For that reason alone, I am looking at J.Smith as 15-25 minutes on any given night with the occasional plus 30 game. He is worth more to us as a whole season player than a broken mid-season player. I seriously doubt he can play more than this and stay healthy.

Splat wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

dodger78 wrote:The guy out at the 4 spot right now quite honestly if you take the preseason games is Amare.
Start Smith with Bargs and Acy as Backups... then Smith and Bargs can get minutes at the 5 as well...
Stoudamire is out...
PG Rotation... Obviously Calderon, then Prigs and Larkin depending on the game.
Shump looking good so far!

How is Bargs ahead of Amare? he played one game, amare is playing within the system.

Would love the logic...are we basing on last year? Even then it's Amare.

Just wondering, and not because I think you are wrong, just want to be shown the light.

Bargs may just fall off the map soon. Fish already alluded to the difficulty of evaluating Bargs role without him on the court. Choices will be made and Bargs may be left on the bench and only play again if someone gets hurt.

Does anyone wonder about how he never came back last season? I don't think that was a season ending injury and I always had a feeling the club just iced him for the year because even if he was available for the last 10-20 games, it just wasn't worth the bother.

agreed, it was strange, BUT last year was strange all around, it was obvious everyone mailed it in...depressing actually, i think they were surprised Amare and JR were able to contribute as much as they could...old regime would have them traded together in the off season.

I bummed about bargs, i mean jason smith has a nice jumper, but bargs is pretty euro nifty out there. i was hoping he would be our Pau Gasol, but Jason Smith at a fraction of the cost appears to be that guy.

I know we are down on amare all the way back to the fire extinguisher in miami, but i'm telling you man, he's about to be our Horace Grant.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Fischer doesnt start Smith at PF and he gives Acxy 30 minutes--we deserve to lose and he will be questionable as a coach right away in my book. Acy hs had a ice little sample--hes had more minutes than anyone else. He has not stood out--he plays hard and pretty well--bt he is no "Ken Farid' or even a poor mans Faried. Josef Nurkic a rookie had more rebounds in 19 minutes his first game than Acy has had in 4 games and well over 100 minutes of play.
Smith has shown he can rebound and score and imho he will do that at close to 50%. IF his body can go 32-33 minutes--than he should go. Bargs is a chemistry killer Smith will blend in and be effective--Bargs needs a new role off the bench. I dont know where Acy goes but I dont think u go from a reserve role on a 24 win team to a starting spot on a good team

Jason actually may not be a guy who can go 33 minutes a game over 82+ games. His value is commensurate to his consistent availability, thus I'd expect the staff to monitor his minutes and health very closely. He has not been durable before.

For that reason alone, I am looking at J.Smith as 15-25 minutes on any given night with the occasional plus 30 game. He is worth more to us as a whole season player than a broken mid-season player. I seriously doubt he can play more than this and stay healthy.

Good point and limiting his minutes because of durability issues. Most are ready to pencil Jason Smith in as starter.

Acy will start

sorry Briggs

You will see, no worries.

injuries are for suckas.

babyKnicks wrote:

dodger78 wrote:The guy out at the 4 spot right now quite honestly if you take the preseason games is Amare.
Start Smith with Bargs and Acy as Backups... then Smith and Bargs can get minutes at the 5 as well...
Stoudamire is out...
PG Rotation... Obviously Calderon, then Prigs and Larkin depending on the game.
Shump looking good so far!

How is Bargs ahead of Amare? he played one game, amare is playing within the system.

Would love the logic...are we basing on last year? Even then it's Amare.

Just wondering, and not because I think you are wrong, just want to be shown the light.

Well Amare was not showing anything!!!! He played but did horrible!!!
He is not in the system (okay true its still early) but hes got no feel for the ball movement or finding the cutting guys!!! Thats his role in the triangle though... also i do not like him shooting ghe midrange j he is shaky...
Bargs has not played due to injury but has proven to me that he is the better shooter, better facilitator and better defender...

plus he is more legit as a center in a backup role...

well just my 5 cent!!!

Splat wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:agreed, the second unit will not play as an entire unit, as we should be thinking about a playoff roster if we are talking rotations, however, I still feel the Amare will be part of a 4 big rotation and see a majority of the minutes of the bigs with maybe less than Dalembert.

You will see, no worries.

injuries are for suckas.

Health maintenance is one reason this may be a deeper rotation. Look at our bigs. Sam, Jason and Stat are all guys who could play 15-25 minutes, but that may be it.

That leaves room for Acy too. It is why Amare can get minutes, though he will be curtailed still. If Bargs is just a spazz who couldn't come to camp in shape, then Stat benefits.

If we had two bigs who you could project playing 35 minutes, then I could see a 9-10 rotation. But our bigs will have their minutes spread so I think we go 11 and sometimes 12 deep as a result, at least until we are in the playoffs (assuming we are).

Ah, if D Rose and B lopez are going all out--then J Smith can gives us 28-30 minutes for 75 games. We can use strategic days off--we have the depth but I really believe that J Smith gives us a true mobile 4 who can score 20 points on a given night(his avg would likely be 12-13 imho) while grabbing 7-8 boards and giving is that 7 footer length on D. Quincy Acy lets see him guard guys like Dirk or Ryan Andersen etc at 6-5. I actually thought Quincy Acyw was a decent player and I think he has potential as an energy big off the bench--but thrusting him into a starting role? It will be one week before he goes 1-6 with 4 rebounds and 3 TO's and we lose by 18 before we rethink that one.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:agreed, the second unit will not play as an entire unit, as we should be thinking about a playoff roster if we are talking rotations, however, I still feel the Amare will be part of a 4 big rotation and see a majority of the minutes of the bigs with maybe less than Dalembert.

You will see, no worries.

injuries are for suckas.

Health maintenance is one reason this may be a deeper rotation. Look at our bigs. Sam, Jason and Stat are all guys who could play 15-25 minutes, but that may be it.

That leaves room for Acy too. It is why Amare can get minutes, though he will be curtailed still. If Bargs is just a spazz who couldn't come to camp in shape, then Stat benefits.

If we had two bigs who you could project playing 35 minutes, then I could see a 9-10 rotation. But our bigs will have their minutes spread so I think we go 11 and sometimes 12 deep as a result, at least until we are in the playoffs (assuming we are).

Ah, if D Rose and B lopez are going all out--then J Smith can gives us 28-30 minutes for 75 games. We can use strategic days off--we have the depth but I really believe that J Smith gives us a true mobile 4 who can score 20 points on a given night(his avg would likely be 12-13 imho) while grabbing 7-8 boards and giving is that 7 footer length on D. Quincy Acy lets see him guard guys like Dirk or Ryan Andersen etc at 6-5. I actually thought Quincy Acyw was a decent player and I think he has potential as an energy big off the bench--but thrusting him into a starting role? It will be one week before he goes 1-6 with 4 rebounds and 3 TO's and we lose by 18 before we rethink that one.

Briggs nailed it with "firepower" -we lack it

Doesnt mean we are bad team. I think we can be good and hope we are, but we are probably 6-8 seed and if in the west would be a lottery team. Time will tell