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After being informed by both JR Smith and Derek Fisher that it may take up to 8 weeks or 30 games for the Knicks to fully grasp the Triangle, what do you predict the Knicks record will be? Below is the schedule, and although it has a favorable ratio of Home and Away, the Knicks will be facing many quality opponents.

Oct 29, 2014
8:00 PM ET VS Chicago
Oct 30, 2014
8:00 PM ET @ Cleveland
Nov 2, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Charlotte
Nov 4, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Washington
Nov 5, 2014
7:30 PM ET @ Detroit
Nov 7, 2014
7:30 PM ET @ Brooklyn
Nov 8, 2014
7:30 PM ET @Atlanta
Nov 10, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Atlanta
Nov 12, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Orlando
Nov 14, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Utah
Nov 16, 2014
1:00 PM ET VS Denver
Nov 18, 2014
8:00 PM ET @ Milwaukee
Nov 19, 2014
8:00 PM ET @ Minnesota
Nov 22, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Philadelphia
Nov 24, 2014
8:00 PM ET @ Houston
Nov 26, 2014
7:30 PM ET @ Dallas
Nov 28, 2014
8:00 PM ET @ Oklahoma City
Nov 30, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Miami
Dec 2, 2014
7:30 PM ET VS Brooklyn
Dec 4, 2014
8:00 PM ET VS Cleveland
Dec 5, 2014
7:00 PM ET @Charlotte
Dec 7, 2014
7:30 PM ET VSPortland
Dec 9, 2014
8:00 PM ET @New Orleans
Dec 10, 2014
8:00 PM ET @San Antonio
Dec 12, 2014
7:30 PM ET @Boston
Dec 14, 2014
7:30 PM ET VSToronto
Dec 16, 2014
8:00 PM ET VSDallas
Dec 18, 2014
8:00 PM ET @Chicago
Dec 20, 2014
1:00 PM ET VSPhoenix
Dec 21, 2014
3:30 PM ET @Toronto
Dec 25, 2014
12:00 PM ET VSWashington
Dec 27, 2014
10:00 PM ET @Sacramento
Dec 28, 2014
9:00 PM ET @Portland
Dec 31, 2014
6:00 PM ET @L.A. Clippers

9-21 I'm an outright pessimist
10-20 Same shyte, different season
13-17 we could surge to almost forty wins and squeak in
15-15 wow they are exceeding expectations and will make the playoffs, barring injury
17-13 things are looking quite bright for us, ahead of curve
18-12 and just like that the Knicks are an attractive destination
20-10 melo is having an MVP season Fisher and Jackson are geniuses
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10/12/2014  8:54 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I'd like to be optimistic and say 18-12.

I think if we can play to a faster tempo and really get our own big three going Melo Hardaway and THJ use the two centers as a back drop to reasonably good D and find a chemistry with the rest--we should have the fire power to win a deflated division. We did win 54 games two years ago and we have a very reasonable PG and more pieces again. So I think you have to set your expectations up. I think the Cavs are the elite there are other tough clubs--but I always go with my Uconn mentality--do we have enough to win the game--the answer is yes. If you have enough to win games--if you have the talent--and the d esire is there--we should win a lot of games. We have talent--but we must weed out a chemistry and then stay healthy.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/12/2014  9:12 AM
He mean't bring Hardaway sr out of retirement.
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10/12/2014  9:48 AM
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd like to be optimistic and say 18-12.

I think if we can play to a faster tempo and really get our own big three going Melo Hardaway and THJ use the two centers as a back drop to reasonably good D and find a chemistry with the rest--we should have the fire power to win a deflated division. We did win 54 games two years ago and we have a very reasonable PG and more pieces again. So I think you have to set your expectations up. I think the Cavs are the elite there are other tough clubs--but I always go with my Uconn mentality--do we have enough to win the game--the answer is yes. If you have enough to win games--if you have the talent--and the d esire is there--we should win a lot of games. We have talent--but we must weed out a chemistry and then stay healthy.

I'm sorry I meant Melo THK and JR--to many initials for one post! But I do think those are 3 players who can be explosive on a nightly basis. We have other scorers as well. Im guessing we will use JR as the starting SG?? and Timmy as 6th man but Id like to see all three avg 30 minutes even if that means moving melo to the 4 at times.

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10/12/2014  9:55 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd like to be optimistic and say 18-12.

I think if we can play to a faster tempo and really get our own big three going Melo Hardaway and THJ use the two centers as a back drop to reasonably good D and find a chemistry with the rest--we should have the fire power to win a deflated division. We did win 54 games two years ago and we have a very reasonable PG and more pieces again. So I think you have to set your expectations up. I think the Cavs are the elite there are other tough clubs--but I always go with my Uconn mentality--do we have enough to win the game--the answer is yes. If you have enough to win games--if you have the talent--and the d esire is there--we should win a lot of games. We have talent--but we must weed out a chemistry and then stay healthy.

I'm sorry I meant Melo THK and JR--to many initials for one post! But I do think those are 3 players who can be explosive on a nightly basis. We have other scorers as well. Im guessing we will use JR as the starting SG?? and Timmy as 6th man but Id like to see all three avg 30 minutes even if that means moving melo to the 4 at times.

i haven't seen the games but i have read from some here that smith is not really working within the confines of the triangle. wouldn't it be better for the knicks "culture" that fisher bench smith or anybody else for freelancing overmuch?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/12/2014  11:10 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:3-27

You really think we can beat Milwaukee? Or your Hornets twice?

My bad. 2-38. Wins against Detroit & Sacramento

That would be impressive after 30 games.

I'm going with 13-17.
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10/12/2014  11:13 AM
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd like to be optimistic and say 18-12.

I think if we can play to a faster tempo and really get our own big three going Melo Hardaway and THJ use the two centers as a back drop to reasonably good D and find a chemistry with the rest--we should have the fire power to win a deflated division. We did win 54 games two years ago and we have a very reasonable PG and more pieces again. So I think you have to set your expectations up. I think the Cavs are the elite there are other tough clubs--but I always go with my Uconn mentality--do we have enough to win the game--the answer is yes. If you have enough to win games--if you have the talent--and the d esire is there--we should win a lot of games. We have talent--but we must weed out a chemistry and then stay healthy.

I'm sorry I meant Melo THK and JR--to many initials for one post! But I do think those are 3 players who can be explosive on a nightly basis. We have other scorers as well. Im guessing we will use JR as the starting SG?? and Timmy as 6th man but Id like to see all three avg 30 minutes even if that means moving melo to the 4 at times.

i haven't seen the games but i have read from some here that smith is not really working within the confines of the triangle. wouldn't it be better for the knicks "culture" that fisher bench smith or anybody else for freelancing overmuch?

No one has run the sets perfect. JR is very important--I don't think anyone would disagree. JR has the ability to score 20 points every night and hes more of an all around players than hardaway still.

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10/12/2014  11:16 AM
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd like to be optimistic and say 18-12.

I think if we can play to a faster tempo and really get our own big three going Melo Hardaway and THJ use the two centers as a back drop to reasonably good D and find a chemistry with the rest--we should have the fire power to win a deflated division. We did win 54 games two years ago and we have a very reasonable PG and more pieces again. So I think you have to set your expectations up. I think the Cavs are the elite there are other tough clubs--but I always go with my Uconn mentality--do we have enough to win the game--the answer is yes. If you have enough to win games--if you have the talent--and the d esire is there--we should win a lot of games. We have talent--but we must weed out a chemistry and then stay healthy.

I'm sorry I meant Melo THK and JR--to many initials for one post! But I do think those are 3 players who can be explosive on a nightly basis. We have other scorers as well. Im guessing we will use JR as the starting SG?? and Timmy as 6th man but Id like to see all three avg 30 minutes even if that means moving melo to the 4 at times.

i haven't seen the games but i have read from some here that smith is not really working within the confines of the triangle. wouldn't it be better for the knicks "culture" that fisher bench smith or anybody else for freelancing overmuch?

Smith is free lancing a bit but he also is healthy and scoring when he does so it is a bit of a tough situation. Fisher has been praising Smith and when Smith was asked if he wanted to start he said he would do whatever coach Fisher wanted. Add in that he is healthy and not trying to come off an injury and I think Fisher/Smith make it work. The sixth man role may suit him best.
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10/12/2014  11:27 AM
Wow a little surprised 75% of the voting if for .500 or less. Im in the minority or I have my rose color glasses on with seasonal optimism:) I don't think this is bad team at all. I didnt think last years team was that bad--it just started off way of course. and we won 54 games the year before that.

I think in our division we are in a 3 team race with NJ and Toronto. NJ needs Lopez and Williams to stay healthy. I think Clev is the elite team but beatable--and we can beat any other team in the east on any given night. So it's all about attitude chemistry and toughness because we have the talent. I believe really good teams have a mind set that they just want to win--it's a pre requisite to a great team. We need the desire to win. That sets teams apart. We need to win our home games and stay .500 or better on the road. We need to compete every game--I dont want to see 38 point losses. If were consistent and Fischer finds the right combinations--this team will be good.

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10/12/2014  12:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Wow a little surprised 75% of the voting if for .500 or less. Im in the minority or I have my rose color glasses on with seasonal optimism:) I don't think this is bad team at all. I didnt think last years team was that bad--it just started off way of course. and we won 54 games the year before that.

I think in our division we are in a 3 team race with NJ and Toronto. NJ needs Lopez and Williams to stay healthy. I think Clev is the elite team but beatable--and we can beat any other team in the east on any given night. So it's all about attitude chemistry and toughness because we have the talent. I believe really good teams have a mind set that they just want to win--it's a pre requisite to a great team. We need the desire to win. That sets teams apart. We need to win our home games and stay .500 or better on the road. We need to compete every game--I dont want to see 38 point losses. If were consistent and Fischer finds the right combinations--this team will be good.

I think the biggest issue is as you said "If were consistent and Fischer finds the right combinations--this team will be good." I think this was a huge issue last year as you just can't roll the ball out and put a lineup out there that has no chemistry or is just a bad fit. From what I see Fish is really trying different lineups and will assess which are the best combo's for this team on both ends. It's not rocket science. You can don't even need advanced stats to see when a group works.

I think this team has plenty of talent and Phil did a nice job of giving Fish enough tools to put together a rotation that can play well on both ends. We all know this team has offensive punch. Even last year they were #11 even with all that dysfunction. They have a chance to be much more efficient this year, but more than that they need to be able to defend and I think Phil has brought in some players that can help in that regard. Not to mention the defensive scheme is much more sound IMO.
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10/13/2014  3:37 PM
jrodmc wrote:I like Fish's comparison to the Gints; I think they start out slow and get quickly better as things click and the rotations/yoots get settled.

I hope not.

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10/13/2014  3:41 PM
For me if we are consistent and fisher finds the right combinations we will be great. I see these Knicks at te end of last year. Not the beginning when we had no center and jr was in a slump.

Dalembart has already show more than capable of replace our center and out pg upgrade is huge.

That alone is 50/50 ball.

From there it's all in the coaching and learning.

I see us going 50/50 until December and putting together wins in the new year.

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10/13/2014  4:02 PM
My take is that if Melo is more efficient in this style that will go a long way towards getting wins early. Also what will be another key is how the team defends as a group. If they can be a respectable defensive team their offensive talent will allow them to win games even if they haven't quite gotten the system down yet. Fish is focussing on the right things. He has given the team a very doable defensive scheme and that should be the key to it all this year. I'm not that worried about this team offensively. We have tons of scoring and will figure it out. But the D is where they can make a real impact by just making things a little tougher and no longer an open lane to the basket like last year.
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10/14/2014  8:49 PM
nixluva wrote:My take is that if Melo is more efficient in this style that will go a long way towards getting wins early. Also what will be another key is how the team defends as a group. If they can be a respectable defensive team their offensive talent will allow them to win games even if they haven't quite gotten the system down yet. Fish is focussing on the right things. He has given the team a very doable defensive scheme and that should be the key to it all this year. I'm not that worried about this team offensively. We have tons of scoring and will figure it out. But the D is where they can make a real impact by just making things a little tougher and no longer an open lane to the basket like last year.

so what is your prediction?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/14/2014  9:35 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:My take is that if Melo is more efficient in this style that will go a long way towards getting wins early. Also what will be another key is how the team defends as a group. If they can be a respectable defensive team their offensive talent will allow them to win games even if they haven't quite gotten the system down yet. Fish is focussing on the right things. He has given the team a very doable defensive scheme and that should be the key to it all this year. I'm not that worried about this team offensively. We have tons of scoring and will figure it out. But the D is where they can make a real impact by just making things a little tougher and no longer an open lane to the basket like last year.

so what is your prediction?

I said it already! 17-13. I said I think this team has enough talent to compete for the Atlantic Div. Fish has done good work with the team's D already. So if they can hold their own on D I think they be able to score enough to win games. They won't be perfect early but they can still win games.
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10/14/2014  9:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2014  9:39 PM
Based on 4 games so far, I think this team will be capable of offensive streaks mid-game that build real leads against even the best teams. The real factor for whether they steal those games against top clubs will be how they close out the 4th quarter defensively.

I don't know the answer to that yet, but if the defense firms up further and shows late game tenacity, then the Knicks could beat expectations by playing .500 against most clubs and stealing a few against the top clubs.

Defense will be the deciding factor IMO, not scoring.

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11/22/2014  10:04 PM
so after tonight's victory the knicks are 4-10 and playing .280 ball.

looking at the schedule going forward to the remaining games up to 30 and with calderon back giving the knicks a lift, i still see a 6-10 record which means that they end up 10-20. i mean their defense is not going to improve and i saw only a bit more triangle tonight.

does anyone see things differently?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/22/2014  10:06 PM
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11/22/2014  10:08 PM
dk7th wrote:so after tonight's victory the knicks are 4-10 and playing .280 ball.

looking at the schedule going forward to the remaining games up to 30 and with calderon back giving the knicks a lift, i still see a 6-10 record which means that they end up 10-20. i mean their defense is not going to improve and i saw only a bit more triangle tonight.

does anyone see things differently?

10-20 is totally fair. Expect no more IMO since it could just as easily be 7-23.

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11/23/2014  9:07 AM
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Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/23/2014  9:10 AM
Being the only optimist here I hoping that they go 3-27.
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