It also means nothing if all the players are saying it's different and those viewing practice are erasing a difference cuz you know Drills... I don't even know why San Antonio is wasting all that money on Pop when they could get anyone in there to coach that team and get the same results. It's all about the players after all. What diff does the coach make anyway. They all teach the exact same way and the exact same stuff.

nixluva wrote:OK you guys are right there's nothing really different about this TC compared to the last few years. There's no reason to expect anything better out of this team this year cuz well... What's the diff between the previous regimes and this current one? I mean what do they even bring to the table that is any different. A drill is a drill and pretty much all BB concepts are the same. Doesn't matter who it is teaching you cuz all coaches are exactly equal in their ability to teach and get their point across to the players.

It also means nothing if all the players are saying it's different and those viewing practice are erasing a difference cuz you know Drills... I don't even know why San Antonio is wasting all that money on Pop when they could get anyone in there to coach that team and get the same results. It's all about the players after all. What diff does the coach make anyway. They all teach the exact same way and the exact same stuff.

Phil is in it for the money, he cares nothing about the knicks, he went to dolon, threw 11 rings on the table and said give me 60 million and I'll give you melo.

Melo's happy with his 124 million, he's only in the best shape of his career to impress LaLa, shumps happy cause woody's gone, JR only wants to prove he's matured cause he's still crazy about Ri Ri, Bargiani is happy because he now has someone to hang out with(calderon)and don't always have to speak english, Amare just wants to be an all star, couldn't care less about a triangle, THJ want to shoot 700 3's this season and break the record.

Who needs TC..SMH

the goal is to lose 62 games, earned a 1st rnd pick, overpay a fake star to play along side melo, lose 52 games, get another hig pick, get another fake star to play with 2 fake stars..

Yep, thats what some poster think around these parts

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:OK you guys are right there's nothing really different about this TC compared to the last few years. There's no reason to expect anything better out of this team this year cuz well... What's the diff between the previous regimes and this current one? I mean what do they even bring to the table that is any different. A drill is a drill and pretty much all BB concepts are the same. Doesn't matter who it is teaching you cuz all coaches are exactly equal in their ability to teach and get their point across to the players.

It also means nothing if all the players are saying it's different and those viewing practice are erasing a difference cuz you know Drills... I don't even know why San Antonio is wasting all that money on Pop when they could get anyone in there to coach that team and get the same results. It's all about the players after all. What diff does the coach make anyway. They all teach the exact same way and the exact same stuff.

Phil is in it for the money, he cares nothing about the knicks, he went to dolon, threw 11 rings on the table and said give me 60 million and I'll give you melo.

Melo's happy with his 124 million, he's only in the best shape of his career to impress LaLa, shumps happy cause woody's gone, JR only wants to prove he's matured cause he's still crazy about Ri Ri, Bargiani is happy because he now has someone to hang out with(calderon)and don't always have to speak english, Amare just wants to be an all star, couldn't care less about a triangle, THJ want to shoot 700 3's this season and break the record.

Who needs TC..SMH

the goal is to lose 62 games, earned a 1st rnd pick, overpay a fake star to play along side melo, lose 52 games, get another hig pick, get another fake star to play with 2 fake stars..

Yep, thats what some poster think around these parts

We can't win. This team finally gets a top BB mind running the show and some people still can't see that as a major improvement. I think it won't quiet down the naysayers until we see this team play. As usual it's hard to get any buy in unless we brought in CP3 and KD this summer. That's the only way to get any of the naysayers to be positive about this teams future and even then they might find something negative to say.

Thats the way sports work. Nothing else matters.

knickscity wrote:But listen, at the end of the day, I want to see a team win basketball games. the more they win, the happier I am. everything else is fluff to me.

The Knicks have scoring talent so it's not surprising that they could get out to huge leads as they did often last year. The lack of discipline and BB IQ did impact them tho. They would get sloppy and the lack of sound BB principles would kill them. They lost so many close games due to dumb mistakes, not being on the same page and doing things you shouldn't do. That's where all the detailed training should come in. We saw the kids in SL use what they had learned to regroup and win a game. Things the big team didn't do last year. I can only imagine how this team will eventually be able to execute as they continue to learn and perfect the system and their execution of sound BB.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:OK you guys are right there's nothing really different about this TC compared to the last few years. There's no reason to expect anything better out of this team this year cuz well... What's the diff between the previous regimes and this current one? I mean what do they even bring to the table that is any different. A drill is a drill and pretty much all BB concepts are the same. Doesn't matter who it is teaching you cuz all coaches are exactly equal in their ability to teach and get their point across to the players.

It also means nothing if all the players are saying it's different and those viewing practice are erasing a difference cuz you know Drills... I don't even know why San Antonio is wasting all that money on Pop when they could get anyone in there to coach that team and get the same results. It's all about the players after all. What diff does the coach make anyway. They all teach the exact same way and the exact same stuff.

Phil is in it for the money, he cares nothing about the knicks, he went to dolon, threw 11 rings on the table and said give me 60 million and I'll give you melo.

Melo's happy with his 124 million, he's only in the best shape of his career to impress LaLa, shumps happy cause woody's gone, JR only wants to prove he's matured cause he's still crazy about Ri Ri, Bargiani is happy because he now has someone to hang out with(calderon)and don't always have to speak english, Amare just wants to be an all star, couldn't care less about a triangle, THJ want to shoot 700 3's this season and break the record.

Who needs TC..SMH

the goal is to lose 62 games, earned a 1st rnd pick, overpay a fake star to play along side melo, lose 52 games, get another hig pick, get another fake star to play with 2 fake stars..

Yep, thats what some poster think around these parts

We can't win. This team finally gets a top BB mind running the show and some people still can't see that as a major improvement. I think it won't quiet down the naysayers until we see this team play. As usual it's hard to get any buy in unless we brought in CP3 and KD this summer. That's the only way to get any of the naysayers to be positive about this teams future and even then they might find something negative to say.

KD and CP3, I'm sorry, i must of miss their championship parade

Just shows you it's about perception more than anything.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:OK you guys are right there's nothing really different about this TC compared to the last few years. There's no reason to expect anything better out of this team this year cuz well... What's the diff between the previous regimes and this current one? I mean what do they even bring to the table that is any different. A drill is a drill and pretty much all BB concepts are the same. Doesn't matter who it is teaching you cuz all coaches are exactly equal in their ability to teach and get their point across to the players.

It also means nothing if all the players are saying it's different and those viewing practice are erasing a difference cuz you know Drills... I don't even know why San Antonio is wasting all that money on Pop when they could get anyone in there to coach that team and get the same results. It's all about the players after all. What diff does the coach make anyway. They all teach the exact same way and the exact same stuff.

Phil is in it for the money, he cares nothing about the knicks, he went to dolon, threw 11 rings on the table and said give me 60 million and I'll give you melo.

Melo's happy with his 124 million, he's only in the best shape of his career to impress LaLa, shumps happy cause woody's gone, JR only wants to prove he's matured cause he's still crazy about Ri Ri, Bargiani is happy because he now has someone to hang out with(calderon)and don't always have to speak english, Amare just wants to be an all star, couldn't care less about a triangle, THJ want to shoot 700 3's this season and break the record.

Who needs TC..SMH

the goal is to lose 62 games, earned a 1st rnd pick, overpay a fake star to play along side melo, lose 52 games, get another hig pick, get another fake star to play with 2 fake stars..

Yep, thats what some poster think around these parts

We can't win. This team finally gets a top BB mind running the show and some people still can't see that as a major improvement. I think it won't quiet down the naysayers until we see this team play. As usual it's hard to get any buy in unless we brought in CP3 and KD this summer. That's the only way to get any of the naysayers to be positive about this teams future and even then they might find something negative to say.

KD and CP3, I'm sorry, i must of miss their championship parade

Just shows you it's about perception more than anything.

It's true Nix, I'm more concern with the culture establishment, then the talent level we currently have, Once we get that in perfect order, there's just no way we can lose, you will attract the right kind of players, and you acquire the right type of players, not just A big name.

nixluva wrote:It's not about magic but you simply don't recognize that this is the BEST and most cohesive leadership this team has had and the players are being taught with the same techniques that these men used during many winning seasons and championships. Furthermore Phil is actively adding talent and changing the culture here. Basically everything that can be done at this point is being done and it's all sound BB decisions. I don't know why that isn't accepted as being BETTER than what we had before this. It quite simply is BETTER!!!

There's no case you can make that the last regime was just as capable as this one. I'd love to know what basis you'd use to argue that the previous regime was just as good. Who the F cares if you think Dolan paid too much to have Phil lead this franchise? What does that even matter? Your argument makes no sense at all.

it's one thing to say the organization is finally ordered properly and is on the same page, with the major caveat of that ridiculous contract a faux franchise player has been given-- to me that will remain a worrisome issue, n matter what changes in terms of cap and tv deals.

however-- i agree that "on paper" we look like we are moving in the right direction. the problem is seeing how a first-time gm and coach move from "on paper" to actualizing whatever potential the team has, and that includes some kind of "identity." and the challenge with that is that the knicks still suffer from a leadership vacuum. no, fisher will not be enough.

i also like that the mantra is "bring back fundamentals," but that too is going to take time, sadly. and lets not forget that teaching fundamentals must include breaking deeply ingrained bad habits. this is not some group of 6th graders who are basically blank slates. decades of sloppy, conveyor belt values have been instilled and how long do you think it will take for those values to be replaced by the values inherent in the fundamentals that are being introduced? and do you expect fisher to bench players, no matter the player's pay scale, if any of them don't comply? i mean, do you expect the woodson approach of playing favorites or the popovich approach of it doesn't matter who?