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9/27/2014  11:01 AM
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NardDogNation wrote:Phil Jackson needs to start making moves now because the 2015 free agent well is drying up quickly. Looks like we'll have plenty of cap space with no one to spend it on besides Greg Monroe (who will be a surefire Knick).

That's what makes the 'build through free agency' so difficult- hardly any of the top players even make it to free agency. However the back up plan is to use your cap space to take on a salary in exchange for picks. You can then either use those picks or trade them to get players you do want. The problem with that is with the cap due to become much higher in a couple of seasons, that makes cap space pretty worthless for the first year or so the higher cap is introduced.

The other problem is, if we do bomb next offseason, we don't have our pick for 2016 so we'd be pretty much screwed.

I am really hoping the Knicks trade Stat at the deadline to Philly for picks and possibly a prospect. It makes a lot of sense for both teams and saves the sixers around 16 million I believe. Hopefully Phil continues to make moves and gain flexibility with salary/assets.
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9/27/2014  3:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Phil Jackson needs to start making moves now because the 2015 free agent well is drying up quickly. Looks like we'll have plenty of cap space with no one to spend it on besides Greg Monroe (who will be a surefire Knick).

That's what makes the 'build through free agency' so difficult- hardly any of the top players even make it to free agency. However the back up plan is to use your cap space to take on a salary in exchange for picks. You can then either use those picks or trade them to get players you do want. The problem with that is with the cap due to become much higher in a couple of seasons, that makes cap space pretty worthless for the first year or so the higher cap is introduced.

The other problem is, if we do bomb next offseason, we don't have our pick for 2016 so we'd be pretty much screwed.

I am really hoping the Knicks trade Stat at the deadline to Philly for picks and possibly a prospect. It makes a lot of sense for both teams and saves the sixers around 16 million I believe. Hopefully Phil continues to make moves and gain flexibility with salary/assets.


I wouldn't mind such a deal, it really depends on the vision and roster that Phil Jackson is looking to assemble for our future
In any move, I think Phil Jackson wants to keep his options open with possible flexibility to eithe trade for an ALL STAR to team up with CA

I believe Phil is looking to build a roster that is capable of winning it all with the talent to come up with a philosophy to help Fisher/CA and the Knicks
Will he accept building a roster that can make it in the play offs but unlikely to challenge the legit contenders of Cleveland/Bulls
We must understand that those teams have many younger players that will continue to get better, among other asset's in picks/trade exemptions/cap space to continue to use improve the roster in the draft or in trades

In order to continue to assemble a roster that will be a contender, he realizes he must come up with a TEAM with the talent to match up versus Cleveland and The Bulls
Unlike Woodson and our prevoius GM's/Coaches, Phil Jackson has

1- the full support under Dolan and will have full control of all basketball related decisions, from the roster to management, development coaches, trainers, and whatever needed to develop talents both on and off the court

2- understands that a philosophy and system is only as good as the players he has assembled

3- has the respect from players to agents, GM's, and knows how to use NYK and the media to attract FA's as leverage

4- he needs to collect as many assets possible, this year he will need to flip his roster/players for assets to could be used in the future, continue the process similar to the trade of Tyson Chandler
Nobody is safe from the roster outside of CA who has a no trade clause

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9/27/2014  3:32 PM
When all is said and done, I just don't know if we can assemble a roster with both CA and Calderon making 30m alone, that is good enough to challenge Cleveland and Bulls
To be honest, i don't think we can assemble a roster that can beat Jordan's Bobcats, who I rank 3rd after Bulls and Cleveland, unless talents are willing to take less to join CA, like Lebron/CP3 is capable of doing
However, outside of JR Smith, Kmart, we have yet to see any real talent that took less in order to play with CA
Kidd was a horrible player, however, he was brought in to provide leadership, a quality that a max player that CA has should have the responsibility that comes with his contract, also the ability to make player around him better and be a good 2 way player
Woodson/Grunweld both understood that we needed to make up for that, even though Lin was a player that provided just that but was a threat to CA in building his empire
Players played better with Lin, talents like Jeffries/Chandler/Novak/Fields/Iman/even Bill Walker, as our BIG 3 struggled in the start of the season with must better "talent"

Will we keep CA or trade him if we are unable to build a legit contender?
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If we are unable to build a roster within the next 2 years to be contenders, he is a great manilupator
Will Phil Jackson make the first move *who knows how to use the media to his advantage* or will CA repeat his previous moves to get what he wants, after he gets his contract


My question is who really has the leverage in terms of CA's contract, we all know CA wants his money and wants to win *and NOTHING is wrong with that*, however, like in his past CA will force a trade/get his coach fired if needed to do so, to get what he wants
CA will demand a trade and put a hissy fit if Phil Jackson is unable to build a contending roster and Phil Jackson can grant him that, and get back good value for him, as long as he sends him to a team that can give him back asset's, trade exemptions, and players needed to continue PJ's goal of winning

Sending him out West is the key, to have less competition in building our own enemy, and getting back the asset's/cap space needed to build a contender when our time comes, possibly even getting trade exemption like Cleveland is currently doing with non guaranteed contracts, as they can continue to improve their roster in addition to their current roster and vet min's fleeing to Cleveland as complete steals like Marion and likely Ray Allen, and Mike Miller willing to take much less to join Lebron in hopes of getting more rings
Having Lebron is a great luxury, he not only is a great player, but attracts both STARS, VET MIN players that are worth more, and talents willing to take less
Off the court, Lebron is still a great leader, GM, Head Coach, Development Coach, money maker for adverstisements, as he makes everyone around him better with his skill set and ability to attract talents
On the court, he is not only a lock down defender but also a great team defender, leader to can push and make everyone around him better
After all those comments from Jordan/Kobe, Mount Rushmore, and his speech after "The Decision" he put a bounty on himself to eat his own words
He has the drive and understands he must now win more rings than Kobe, possibly even Jordan *even though he could be 40 and a rotation player*, I believe he will be chasing those rings to shut those critics/comments up
And this drive for winning has a great multiple effect, with the rules of the CBA, to continue the trend of having 3 ALL STAR's + playing together and sacrificing to have one goal and one goal alone, RINGS!

Though CA has the "leverage" with the no trade clause, I would not be surprised for CA to request a trade to team up with another team with the likes of Durant/Lebron/Noah/CP3 etc
With that process, we would need to do what teams like Philly/Boston are doing right now and previously what The Rockets were almost able to do had CA/Lebron decided to team up with D12, Harden, and likely would have match Parsons contract if so, with still many picks/assets/MLE to continue to improve the roster, in addition to some solid role players in Patrick Beverely/ some of the PG's, Terrence Jones, DMO, Kouso Pap *the Greek G/F that the Knick's previously drafted but not sure if he would have went to Houston with just the mini MLE *though it goes up in the future and both Florida/Texas teams have the luxury of being STATE tax free to earn more money when compared to NYK *which he unlikely would have went to with just the MINI MLE and have the scrutiny of the NY media*

With The Sun's they have decided to keep Bledsoe to a max contract in hopes of teaming him up with other ALL STAR's, especially with his physical abilities and LOCK DOWN POTENTIAL on both ends, he is easily worth his contract, which is 10m less than CA's
They have like half their roster with undeniable PG and PG/SG talents
Having the bird rights to the role players already, if they can package Dragic and some of their fills in for another ALL STAR, they will do it
Now if you add in another trade to bring in another ALL STAR, which they can sign and trade a talent that they have the bird rights for with Gereld Green, Morris Brothers, and need to send them out in a package by overpaying them in a team option to add up salaries *both the players and team will also look to do so, as they both benefit*

Confidence, Chemistry, and FIT are the keys, and The Sun's just missed the play offs, however, had Bledsoe was able to play more games they surely would have made the play offs
Though Bledsoe was out, fill ins from the trade that netted them a 1st rounder from the Pacer's with Scola *who was just picked up after being amenstied*
Then you throw in Gereld Green and Plumlee *who is probably better than Scola himself if he ever got the chance to play*

So Sun's were able to gain

1st rounder
Plumlee *a former 1st rounder*
Gereld Green who got no PT and loss all value despite his improvements that netted him the contract to begin with to go with his athleticism
For Gereld Green and Plumlee, playing with a team that played with GREAT PG in Dragic that could score/penetrate/facilitate/push the tempo it totally changed Green's career and gave him confidence and the PT he lacked


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9/27/2014  3:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/27/2014  4:18 PM
With Phil Jackson recent comments about Kobe Bryant and training harder than Jordan, I believe he has the intent of

In 2017
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1- recruiting Kobe in 2017, with a low salary, not sure if he would come for the vet min, but he I fully expect Phil Jackson to manipulate and stirr up the FIRE with Jordan/Lebron/Kobe's war of words

2- alongside Durant who could be UFA, we were wililng to pay Fisher and chase the assistant coaches of OKC for a reason, despite Fisher not even preparing or giving thought to being a coach that Kerr has been preparing himself for years already and has experience as a GM and played with Poppavich and Phil Jackson, who is smart enough to absorb their experience he has gained with the coaches and the personalities/traits/leadership/role players in those 2 era's teams

3- Noah who will be UFA as well and Bull's are deep enough and cheap enough to question extending the 30year old, with Gasol/Gibson/ the development of Mirotic, possibly even Doug McDermott playing some PF if needed, though I think he is trying to lose weight and gain the quickness/speed to be the player Kyle Korver is evolved in to at SF

- likely will also persue Brian Shaw has the lead assistant over Kurt Rambis *demoting Rambis to an assisant*, when Shaw's contract comes up who has the experience after many years as an assistant and now Head Coach of The Denever Nugget's who has doesn't have the talents to fully execute the Triangle, very possible that Denver would allow Shaw to join Fisher to save money as Denver will likely after to rebuild again
So like Dantoni for most of his career outside of with Nash, he was never able to have the roster needed to employ the system that he desperately looks to execute in order to win RINGS and get paid a hefty contract

Possibly even reunite Bynum with Kobe both on low salary
With Kobe training with Tmac this summer and Tmac contemplating retirement, who is 35 right now, and Kobe is 36, I don't expect these guys to play the same roles as they once did
But their knowledge with the Triangle with Kobe/Bynum would be pricelss if we can get them on low salaries and still have them play lower roles
We know Kobe is a workaloholic and will train very hard, to continue to add rings, especially if Phil Jackson looks to add wood with the fire with Lebron/Kobe with NYK's media
It is possible that Kobe can still provide a role on limited minutes, possibly at either PG or SF, but it all depends on his hunger and body, as he continues to train hard and recover
He is looking to SHOW D12 and Lebron, with those comments after "The Decision" being leaked out NOW for some reason

Throughout his career, Phil Jackson is a master of using the media, great manipulator, control many EGO's, create Hype, and talent evaluator to maniluplate his RINGS *as he resigns always on a HIGH NOTE before his ALL STAR'S decline, and come back coaching when he has ELITE TALENTS together to create add to his legacy to add future win/loss records to his resume*

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9/28/2014  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/28/2014  10:59 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Phil Jackson needs to start making moves now because the 2015 free agent well is drying up quickly. Looks like we'll have plenty of cap space with no one to spend it on besides Greg Monroe (who will be a surefire Knick).

That's what makes the 'build through free agency' so difficult- hardly any of the top players even make it to free agency. However the back up plan is to use your cap space to take on a salary in exchange for picks. You can then either use those picks or trade them to get players you do want. The problem with that is with the cap due to become much higher in a couple of seasons, that makes cap space pretty worthless for the first year or so the higher cap is introduced.

The other problem is, if we do bomb next offseason, we don't have our pick for 2016 so we'd be pretty much screwed.

I am really hoping the Knicks trade Stat at the deadline to Philly for picks and possibly a prospect. It makes a lot of sense for both teams and saves the sixers around 16 million I believe. Hopefully Phil continues to make moves and gain flexibility with salary/assets.

Sixers just traded for Bogans, so that's added $5mil to their pay roll, and means they only need to spend about $13mil more to get to the minimum amount- I just don't see us doing the Amar'e trade, because it makes little sense to us. You could argue it would reduce our luxury tax bill, but then why would teams under the tax help us with that? It would mean they'd get less of a payout at the end of the season.

Now the Cavs dip under the luxury tax line but still have all of the benefits of making a move with Bogans salary. For the Sixers, they start inching back toward that salary floor, but don't pay any more than they would have had to in the first place. They're still roughly $20 million under the salary cap and about $13 million away from the salary floor. If they don't reach that salary floor, they just divide the difference up amongst the players on their roster.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24726523/report-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-keith-bogans-to-philadelphia-76ers

Bledsoe gets 70 mil over 5 years from the Suns

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