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9/25/2014  8:08 PM
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fishmike wrote:Landry Fields is a good luck player. Wow. $8.5mm a year for 2ppg and 2rebs is super lucky. Your in purple horseshoe blue diamonds green clovers lucky territory. I could see why some posters here love him.

his statement flew over your head. i'll let you know when the scales have fallen from your eyes.


What luck did Fields bring with him to Toronto?

yes or no question: was he not a terrific value and a great knick as a rookie prior to february 2011? reminder he was the 39th pick in 2010.


So you're not gonna answer my question?

that's irrelevant. who the **** cares about toronto dude? i am talking about his tenure as a knick!!


It's not irrelevant. A so called "good luck" player would bring that good fortune with him wherever he goes.
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9/25/2014  8:35 PM
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fishmike wrote:Landry Fields is a good luck player. Wow. $8.5mm a year for 2ppg and 2rebs is super lucky. Your in purple horseshoe blue diamonds green clovers lucky territory. I could see why some posters here love him.

his statement flew over your head. i'll let you know when the scales have fallen from your eyes.


What luck did Fields bring with him to Toronto?

yes or no question: was he not a terrific value and a great knick as a rookie prior to february 2011? reminder he was the 39th pick in 2010.


So you're not gonna answer my question?

that's irrelevant. who the **** cares about toronto dude? i am talking about his tenure as a knick!!


It's not irrelevant. A so called "good luck" player would bring that good fortune with him wherever he goes.

who says. the point is that it is situational. survey says luis "el mejor" sojo. people like dolan and melo piss on that.

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9/25/2014  8:47 PM
Situational says who? Certainly not he writer of the article. He simply says that good luck follows these players. If good luck followed fields, wouldn't he have taken it to Toronto with him? Maybe he wasn't one of those players here in ny
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9/25/2014  9:10 PM
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fishmike wrote:Landry Fields is a good luck player. Wow. $8.5mm a year for 2ppg and 2rebs is super lucky. Your in purple horseshoe blue diamonds green clovers lucky territory. I could see why some posters here love him.

his statement flew over your head. i'll let you know when the scales have fallen from your eyes.


What luck did Fields bring with him to Toronto?

yes or no question: was he not a terrific value and a great knick as a rookie prior to february 2011? reminder he was the 39th pick in 2010.


So you're not gonna answer my question?

that's irrelevant. who the **** cares about toronto dude? i am talking about his tenure as a knick!!

He sucks in Toronto and he left NY for the money. He got twenty million for three years. Shouldn't his talent/luck transfer to his new environment?
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9/25/2014  9:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/25/2014  9:29 PM
Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.
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9/25/2014  9:38 PM
dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

I am happy he is getting paid by the raptors.
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9/25/2014  9:58 PM
He could have been developed on the cheap but Dolan made sure to destroy that just like you would expect a malignant narcissist loser to do. This is the same guy whose signature move was intervening and meddling to bring in melo and destroy the Walsh agenda with one horrible gaffe. The same Dolan who admitted he was clueless last spring.
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9/25/2014  11:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/26/2014  7:52 AM
Landry fields is an awful NBA player. SlightLy benefited from Dantoni's system like so many others. Is he still in the league? Isnt he on that singing show now
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9/26/2014  1:34 AM
How about we focus on the real important things that are relevant to what we can expect this season?

Q: When Knicks fans watch a Phil Jackson team, a Derek Fisher team play basketball, what do you want them to say about that team?
A: Unselfish. … They move the basketball. … They recognize situations on the court. … They’re intelligent, or have good group-think. … Defensively, they help each other out. And they’re scrappers.

These are the things that they've been teaching the players and will continue to teach our players. Contrary to popular belief we already have some unselfish players but we need everyone to buy into that concept and that's the work ahead of Fish and his staff. Phil has been tweaking the team and adding guys he feels have the qualities he wants in his players. Even the guys he's bringing to camp have the traits he wants.

Even guys like Melo and JR are actually more willing to pass than it may seem based on their reputation. JR and Melo each avg'd 3 assists last year in a system that really wasn't based on ball and player movement. If they can be taught how to really play team ball those numbers should increase. This new system is really about learning how to think the game and make smart decisions. It sounds impossible for the players we have but it's made a bit easier by having a few basic rules and making sure the spacing and motion is there. Judging by how our kids adjusted to the system in SL it should be possible for these players to get the basics at the very least and over time perfect their execution.

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9/26/2014  10:58 AM
dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.
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9/26/2014  11:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/26/2014  11:04 AM
dk7th wrote:He could have been developed on the cheap but Dolan made sure to destroy that just like you would expect a malignant narcissist loser to do. This is the same guy whose signature move was intervening and meddling to bring in melo and destroy the Walsh agenda with one horrible gaffe. The same Dolan who admitted he was clueless last spring.

So now Melo is an evil vain vampire who drains basketball players of their talent and skill- you're becoming a self parody, man! It's frustrating as when you're not mumbling about Melo you do actually have some fresh and interesting things to say. Time you went on a Melo amnesty!

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9/26/2014  11:04 AM
Fields like many others played well when we played as a TEAM and had versatile talents that played TOGETHER, even with less talent on the floor
Something we are still trying to do

When Fields played SF, when CA was out, he played very well, and was a big part of the run with Lin, including players in no order

Lin
Novak
Chandler

Jeffries
Iman
Fields

Walker

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9/26/2014  11:06 AM
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dk7th wrote:He could have been developed on the cheap but Dolan made sure to destroy that just like you would expect a malignant narcissist loser to do. This is the same guy whose signature move was intervening and meddling to bring in melo and destroy the Walsh agenda with one horrible gaffe. The same Dolan who admitted he was clueless last spring.

So now Melo is an evil vain vampire who drains basketball players of their talent and skill.


He's able to take their luck and mojo as well. Kind of like a real life doctor evil.
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9/26/2014  11:08 AM
RonRon wrote:Fields like many others played well when we played as a TEAM and had versatile talents that played TOGETHER, even with less talent on the floor
Something we are still trying to do

When Fields played SF, when CA was out, he played very well, and was a big part of the run with Lin, including players in no order

Lin
Novak
Chandler

Jeffries
Iman
Fields

Walker

exactly. in the right situation he was great. those last few months as a knick traumatized him and i am not sure he ever recovered. i guess when you are a gem of a second rounder and you get sh!t on it can have a lasting effect.

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9/26/2014  11:09 AM
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dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.

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9/26/2014  11:09 AM
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.


And fields right along with them
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9/26/2014  11:10 AM
smackeddog wrote:
dk7th wrote:He could have been developed on the cheap but Dolan made sure to destroy that just like you would expect a malignant narcissist loser to do. This is the same guy whose signature move was intervening and meddling to bring in melo and destroy the Walsh agenda with one horrible gaffe. The same Dolan who admitted he was clueless last spring.

So now Melo is an evil vain vampire who drains basketball players of their talent and skill- you're becoming a self parody, man! It's frustrating as when you're not mumbling about Melo you do actually have some fresh and interesting things to say. Time you went on a Melo amnesty!

the knicks have been a parody or perhaps a better term would be "farce."

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9/26/2014  11:11 AM
RonRon wrote:Fields like many others played well when we played as a TEAM and had versatile talents that played TOGETHER, even with less talent on the floor
Something we are still trying to do

When Fields played SF, when CA was out, he played very well, and was a big part of the run with Lin, including players in no order

Lin
Novak
Chandler

Jeffries
Iman
Fields

Walker


Now this I can agree with. Fields can benefit from a situation that caters to his play style. I strongly disagree that he brings good fortune whenever he goes though. That's some nonsense.
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9/26/2014  11:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/26/2014  11:45 AM
CA has talent but maybe over confident?
It is a brutal place to play in New York, not many can with the media/scrutiny that comes with The Mecca...

CA needs to get others involved and pick his moments like Jordan and Kobe did, in the 4th quarter
However, excelled only with Phil Jackson and TEAM/WINNING FIRST, Kobe was horrible without Phil Jackson as he tried to prove he could do it without Shaq and Phil Jackson, however, when they retooled with

Bynum

Gasol
Odom
Ariza

Shannon Brown/Fisher/Vucuvic

Kobe and MJ both were always in terrefic basketball shape, excelled only with Phil Jackson and TEAM/WINNING FIRST, and ENJOYED/TOOK PRIDE in DEF
With Woodson, he enabled CA and JR Smith, giving them rope to hang themselves

We do not even have the talents the run the dominant triangle that those teams Phil had, as well as the experience of players that understood and exectuted the Triangle itself on the court
So after we get the talents, we still need to develop/execute the system, if it was CA at an earlier age like 26 or so, it probably would be easier
But to make such drastic changes now, it will be very hard, unless we add that much talent which I do not see anyone flocking to NY yet

Currently I believe Phil's focus right now is to help Fisher evolve to a Head Coach, bring back some fundamentals on both DEF and OFF on the court, as well as find development coaches/assisistant coaches/trainers to all WORK TOGETHER

On the talent/roster side, I think they found a steal in the St John's, Domincan Republic camp invite, as well as Tencacious being a future lock down defender that will bring energy/defense/athleticism that Iman was suppose to be

Outside of CA, NO ONE is untouchable, as we need to build up the value/hype of our players to package them to get back asset's that we coudl use to force trades to get the talent needed to execute the Triangle at a high level, if not it would be similar to how many unsuccessful teams trying to run the Triangle unsuccessfully
So, long story short, we need to get as many picks, unguranteed salaries, trade exemptions, asset's to use, as well as preserve cap space to utilize and attract talent to NYK

We are currently in the NBA's "worst position possible" not good enough to be contenders but should nearly good enough to get in the play offs with our draft pick next summer
Had we not traded for AB and still owned a 2016 draft pick, as well as 2 2nd round picks, in addition to the moves to Felton and Camby, MLE's to Kidd to Pablo/MWP, to provide leadership, instead of keeping Lin instead
We spent so much more money, cap space, asset's, and cap space/missed out on talents to use down the road with


Novak, while we could probably sign a vet min shooter instead without Lin's penetration and Woodson's lack of a system

MLE on
Kidd to then Pablo/MWP, wasting the MINI MLE 2 years in a row

Felton/Camby and the 4 picks
AB and 3 picks

It is hard because NY has a HIGH tax rate and CA/Calderon make 30m, nearly half of the predicted cap space, while teams like Cav's/Bulls are positioned well with talents, and the East is still improving from teams like
New Orleans, Atlanta, Wizards, Toronto, and even Orlando making vast improvements with their youth
Boston will have a lot of picks coming up in these next couple of years as well as cap space as well

So if CA really has a big black book, I hope he is able to recruit the likes of

Noah/Durant

or

Jeff Green, Marc Gasol, Dragic, Al Jefferson/Millsap, or B talents like that to come to NYK *while taking a bit less* as well as find cheap vet mins of both youth talents and vets
I like Rudy Gay if it is the right price, I believe he has the talent/physical abilities to be an ALL STAR, but has some IQ and maturity/development issues comparable to JR and Josh Smith
Monta Ellis will have a player option as well but he took 7-8m and went to Dallas *which has no state tax* but we need to at least find talents on that level on other positions to come over and take less than their "market value"

Maybe Bynum on a 2 year vet min deal, then making trades for some players

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9/26/2014  11:22 AM
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dk7th wrote:
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dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.


And fields right along with them

as a knick he wasn't a joke. dollar for dollar as the 39th pick he was great until melo got here, was great when melo was out and lin was here.

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