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NardDogNation
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9/8/2014  9:47 PM
gunsnewing wrote:That's not the way women took it. They got him to apologize then he was suspended from espn.

Unfortunately there are too many talking heads, too many double standards in everything from this to politics. Its the world we live in 2014. People in general suck at life

So because people lacked the mental faculties to understand his point, Smith needs to be vilified? Do you understand how ridiculous it is to lobby for the position that women are never responsible for their actions?

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9/8/2014  9:57 PM
I am agreeing with you. That's the world we live in today
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9/8/2014  10:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I am agreeing with you. That's the world we live in today

I understand. I just don't think there is any middle ground on the issue.

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9/8/2014  10:18 PM
NFL has to make a statement. Indefinite suspension sends the right signal. Violence by NFL players (against women or men) can't be tolerated...ever. That said, it would be helpful if he and his wife had a little sit down with a Barbara Walters type interview, maybe 60 mins. Need to get in front of the fallout and restore some sanity to the process. The video is SO damning, and right now that's all that anybody is talking about.

Rice needs some counseling, no doubt about it.

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9/8/2014  11:53 PM
Ray rice was a good kid, made success in my area Piscataway and a Superbowl champ
Whom became an Ass with his serious mistake and denial. We all also don't know if
This shi_t didn't occur in past behind closed doors, even if a private matter.

Fact of matter Nalod correct NFL is profit business and bout Rice making TDs and NFL making $dough

Well NFL been getting away with murder for years in its league we loved.

Good! For freaking NFL this tmz crap came out and great NFL gets black eye for this
But also Sad on domestic violence issue where young lady coulda been killed by a knockout blow.

Plexico Burress and Michael Vick did dreaded events and went to jailed both still ridiculed and
You can easily said those NFL guys careers went kaput after that though today I respect the healing Vick
And Burgess tried to do plexico more with his family views.

Dont feel sorry for Ray Rice, feel bad for them both for denying this issue cause of riches NFL
Allowed their lifestyles.

Rice needs to be out! Step back from football take care of his life answer heal
Like rest of the world committing sins.

Then and only then if NFl is repaired better from incident and true same of Ray Rice
Perhaps football can be revisited 1 day but not now not even close !

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9/9/2014  2:10 AM
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Nalod wrote:Sorry, I believe in due process and think the NFL should be in concert with the legal system and basically catogorize infractions to suspensions. A felony is a felany and based on its class is how it gets punished, same for the League. Mistemeaner as well. Be fair.


One of the reasons that the NFL far outstrips both MLB and the NBA and keeps the NHL far far far from the pack is that the game appeals to the female audience. I'm not saying there aren't women who like baseball or basketball or hockey, but the market share is a whole different ballgame.

Women, in America, watch television disproportionately more than men on the average.

Women, in most American married households, and even in most non married households, are usually the primary decision makers for consumer purchases.

The reason the NFL bends the knee Game Of Thrones style to women and feminists and the female audience is because they collectively have a lot of purchasing power and they have a strong lobby from a political standpoint. The NFL spends a full month wearing pink on the field for breast cancer. However every single male in this forum will likely get prostate cancer if they live long enough. But the NFL could give a flying **** about prostate cancer.

The NFL is pretending it hasn't seen his recently released film, while it probably has. Now it has to react to show it's "doing something" about the issue.

Modern American society isn't that complicated in terms of "sacred cows", you simply cannot say anything negative at all, even about issues of merit, regarding

- African Americans
- Homosexual
- Women in general
- Jews
- Liberals

Without being immediately attacked and having a powerful lobby threaten your sponsors.

Because that is exactly what will happen. Feminist lobbyists will reach out to the NFL and say we will contact and protect all of your sponsors and tell them we will encourage all women to never buy Product X again, and see if we can't find some nice tidy class action law suit to start, unless you give us what we want. Money, jobs, influence.

This is not about "fair", it's about money. If women had zero buying power and zero lobbying power in this country, you'd see Hooters are the national sponsor for the NFL.

Roger Goodell, in his defense, and not to his defense, has to consider precedent. If you ban Player X for doing this at this point, you can't wildly ban Player Y for something close to that type of behavior later. He brought some of this on himself by being totally punitive in his punishments the past few years. You keep bringing down the hammer, people expect you to keep it up. But to see it from his side, this was not exactly fully charted territory for the league and discipline. He has to do enough to lend the perception of discipline but not so much he hurts the on field product ( hence the drug policy is changing, too many players are getting suspended, it hurts the product to have that many guys get suspended for half a season or the full year. Again, it's about money)

When Jeremy Lin had a bad game, Jason Whitlock said in Twitter that some girl would "feel two inches of pain tonight", feeding into the negative stereotype of Asian men and their physical endowment. If Whitlock was white or Asian and Lin was black, he would have been fired. Instead he had to apologize and got a little suspension. Chris Paul said a while back he'd prefer to play for a black coach. Didn't ruffle too many feathers. Imagine if Chris Paul was white and said he wanted to play for a white coach?

If a team cuts a heterosexual player for Michael Sam, it's called progress.

If a team won't sign Michael Sam because they don't want the media circus, they must be bigots and racist and horrible human beings and they should lose their jobs and suffer and burn in hell.

Unfortunately IMHO, one of the traits of our current American over feminized liberal political correct establishment is the lack of forgiveness implied. How can you extort money and jobs and influence when you do things like show tolerance and forgive?

That's the world we live in right now , guys, if the Titanic sinks and you don't give up your seat in a lifeboat to a woman, you are coward and a pig. But you still have to buy her an engagement ring and get on your knee if you want to get married. Why shouldn't she buy you an engagement ring? Why shouldn't she woo you and lavish you with gifts on Valentines Day? Why shouldn't she ask you out instead of waiting for some guy to ask her out. Why can't she open the door for you? Offer you a jacket when you are cold?

Sometimes you are wrong because you did something wrong, but sometimes you are wrong simply for being a man in today's society.

I don't condone what Ray Rice did. I think it was vile and stupid and weak. But for anyone to think actual forgiveness or tolerance would come of this, I don't know what to say. This is just another money/power/influence grab by some folks out there looking for the next big entity with cash to burn to leverage out. The sad thing is, I doubt many of these feminist groups actaully care about Janay Parker. They just want to know what they can get out of the NFL so that they don't lobby against the NFL's sponsors.

The people who demand tolerance the most are the least likely to give it. An irony of life.

Yeah, it's getting so you can't even beat up a random gay person, smash your wife's face in or lynch a black person anymore- hard times.

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9/9/2014  2:22 AM
NardDogNation wrote:The NFL suspended Ray Rice, a second time, as they should've to protect their image. As a side, I don't know Ray Rice and doubt I'd like him if I met him in real life BUT if this chick still married him, are we entitled to judge him?

Yes we can still judge his actions- it happens a lot with domestic violence (or any kind of abuse)- the abused sticks with the abuser. That doesn't give the abuser a green light or excuse their actions in any way or make the victim responsible.

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9/9/2014  2:24 AM
Nalod wrote:ESPN had Linda Cohn and another women talking about it. Whats next, Gay men to discuss Michael Sam? Espn comes off looking sensitive when in fact they are just promoting what we do here which is judge and discuss.

Because men are more objective on this issue? Really?

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9/9/2014  8:13 AM
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Nalod wrote:ESPN had Linda Cohn and another women talking about it. Whats next, Gay men to discuss Michael Sam? Espn comes off looking sensitive when in fact they are just promoting what we do here which is judge and discuss.

Because men are more objective on this issue? Really?

They did a special segment.

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9/9/2014  11:09 AM
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NardDogNation wrote:The NFL suspended Ray Rice, a second time, as they should've to protect their image. As a side, I don't know Ray Rice and doubt I'd like him if I met him in real life BUT if this chick still married him, are we entitled to judge him?

Yes we can still judge his actions- it happens a lot with domestic violence (or any kind of abuse)- the abused sticks with the abuser. That doesn't give the abuser a green light or excuse their actions in any way or make the victim responsible.

That holds true regardless of gender?

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9/9/2014  12:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/9/2014  12:13 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:The NFL suspended Ray Rice, a second time, as they should've to protect their image. As a side, I don't know Ray Rice and doubt I'd like him if I met him in real life BUT if this chick still married him, are we entitled to judge him?

Yes we can still judge his actions- it happens a lot with domestic violence (or any kind of abuse)- the abused sticks with the abuser. That doesn't give the abuser a green light or excuse their actions in any way or make the victim responsible.

That holds true regardless of gender?

Yes- I work with victims of abuse of both genders, and domestic violence against men is just as unacceptable (but is unfortunately under reported and not taken as seriously by people- that needs to change).

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9/9/2014  12:37 PM
I don't see the point of suspension. Only thing I can think of is the victim getting a taste of a double edge sword. First she gets abused by Rice and now she gets here meal ticket taken away too.
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9/9/2014  12:48 PM
Vmart wrote:I don't see the point of suspension. Only thing I can think of is the victim getting a taste of a double edge sword. First she gets abused by Rice and now she gets here meal ticket taken away too.

unless she divorces him but that is up to her and not the media. Maybe she really loves him and if so they will get through this.

He needs to become the face of domestic abuse. Help put an end to it by bringing all the unreported cases by women and men to the forefront.

He will do his time and make a comeback in a year or and be a better human for it.

The 2 games clearly taught him nothing

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9/9/2014  1:18 PM
Vmart wrote:I don't see the point of suspension. Only thing I can think of is the victim getting a taste of a double edge sword. First she gets abused by Rice and now she gets here meal ticket taken away too.

He's been paid pretty well, hes made well over 35mm $. You're right in a way...if she was really on his side and they were through with this, then backing him now wouldve been wise. I have no clue it was awful but if anyone can spin it--she can.

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9/9/2014  6:39 PM
She's upset and understandably so. Whatever happened there between two people--no matter how callous it may or may not have looked--is between those two people once the police are done with it. He agreed to get help she agreed to stay with him and to marry him, so this should be over or atleast private.


Now the NFL has acted selfishly quite frankly for a 2nd time. Mike Ditka said it right--they took away his earning ability. Everyone is judge and jury but who should have the most say--his wife. Now by suspending him, banning him--they have hurt Mrs Mirce quite hard a second time. It wasnt Rice(the players) fault that he was only suspended 2 games--maybe they shouldve come down harder but they also had a protocol. And they gave zero thought to his wife again in their final decisions. And she said as much on Instagram.

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9/9/2014  6:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/9/2014  6:51 PM
and the only reason this is a huge deal is because there is video of it.

There are other domestic violence issues in sports people brush over because there is no video. Imagine is there was video of Kidd or god forbid when Chris Brown beat Rihanna to a pulp

Sam thing with V Stiviano & Sterling
Welcome to Reality TV/TMV/YouTube generation

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9/9/2014  7:24 PM
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It's bad what Ray Rice did and now he is going to pay. If Ray Rice went to Jesus and confessed his sins what would Jesus do?
Ray Rice should be punished very strong but I can't see destroying his life and making him work at burger king for life. There is a saying men are brutes and women are mouth. Thats the way it is. You just can't get upset and start beating on your girlfriend or spouse. Ray and his wife should go to counseling for help.Ray Rice will have this stigma on him for the rest of his life.Even if he comes back to the NFL he will never get endorsements again. People will taunt him for the rest of his life no matter what he does. Ray Rice will be the poster boy to hate. He needs to pray and ask God for forgiveness and if God forgive him then thats what really counts.

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9/9/2014  10:44 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

It's bad what Ray Rice did and now he is going to pay. If Ray Rice went to Jesus and confessed his sins what would Jesus do?
Ray Rice should be punished very strong but I can't see destroying his life and making him work at burger king for life. There is a saying men are brutes and women are mouth. Thats the way it is. You just can't get upset and start beating on your girlfriend or spouse. Ray and his wife should go to counseling for help.Ray Rice will have this stigma on him for the rest of his life.Even if he comes back to the NFL he will never get endorsements again. People will taunt him for the rest of his life no matter what he does. Ray Rice will be the poster boy to hate. He needs to pray and ask God for forgiveness and if God forgive him then thats what really counts.

God doesn't give a **** about domestic violence.

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9/9/2014  10:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/9/2014  10:54 PM
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:The NFL suspended Ray Rice, a second time, as they should've to protect their image. As a side, I don't know Ray Rice and doubt I'd like him if I met him in real life BUT if this chick still married him, are we entitled to judge him?

Yes we can still judge his actions- it happens a lot with domestic violence (or any kind of abuse)- the abused sticks with the abuser. That doesn't give the abuser a green light or excuse their actions in any way or make the victim responsible.

That holds true regardless of gender?

Yes- I work with victims of abuse of both genders, and domestic violence against men is just as unacceptable (but is unfortunately under reported and not taken as seriously by people- that needs to change).

I was just wondering because I hate how people pretend that only women are victims of domestic violence. And that's not to say that women still don't have a tough go of things. The reality is that there are so many more inherent benefits in being a man that I'd never want to walk in their shoes. I just hate how issues that men have are never taken seriously, particularly in the context of domestic life.

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9/10/2014  10:40 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:The NFL suspended Ray Rice, a second time, as they should've to protect their image. As a side, I don't know Ray Rice and doubt I'd like him if I met him in real life BUT if this chick still married him, are we entitled to judge him?

Yes we can still judge his actions- it happens a lot with domestic violence (or any kind of abuse)- the abused sticks with the abuser. That doesn't give the abuser a green light or excuse their actions in any way or make the victim responsible.

That holds true regardless of gender?

Yes- I work with victims of abuse of both genders, and domestic violence against men is just as unacceptable (but is unfortunately under reported and not taken as seriously by people- that needs to change).

I was just wondering because I hate how people pretend that only women are victims of domestic violence. And that's not to say that women still don't have a tough go of things. The reality is that there are so many more inherent benefits in being a man that I'd never want to walk in their shoes. I just hate how issues that men have are never taken seriously, particularly in the context of domestic life.

But we contribute to that by reinforcing this BS culture where we're suppose to be 'strong silent' types who don't talk about anything bothering us to other men- it kind of creates a situation where men don't speak out about things for fear of ridicule.

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