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NardDogNation
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8/23/2014  12:25 PM
RonRon wrote:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6630/tony-wroten

Look at how effective Wroten was when given 30minutes + in a game, I believe he is a TOP 10 lottery type pick for next summers draft if he were to enter it
Now his value could multiply if he continues to improve his season and I think we should try to steal him from Philly as they are looking to collect assets and dump talent/clear salaries till both Noel/Embid are able to play together, along with Philly concentrating on the development of MCW and Noel

IN OTHER WORDS, BUY NOW, WHILE WE STILL CAN, his potential outweighs what Lin produced during the stretch, and because he isn't Asian, he will be accepted by CA, Stephen A Smith, along with the BIG PG in the Triangle


It would be great if we can get both Bledsoe and Wroten but I would REACH and give an offer to Philly that they would have trouble in resisting

His ceiling can be as high as Manu/Harden but much better defensive player in my opinion
He is playing behind MKW and play more SG as the 6th man type role but I see a lot of potential and value at his rookie deal
With his weakness being SHOOTING, with 3pt and FT, which can be fixed/learned, however, his ability to penetrate/finish can be right up there with the 1st/2nd tier ALL NBA with John Wall/Harden/Westbrook/ a healthy Rose, Manu, etc...

I would like to BUY him now, before he shows another season of his potential, I believe it will be his most attainable right now, while we can use asset's and even the 3m + in trades to make Philly consider, along with Iman/trade exemption if needed to take the salaries of another player, like JR Smith for Jason Richardson, cash, and Pablo/Iman for Wroten, probably a future 2nd rounder or 2 would even do it right now

Lets not forget the throw ins in Vucevic/Tobias Harris/ even Markless, and at one time Michael Redd at one time

What does Lin being Asian have to do with the accurate perception of who and what his game is?

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8/23/2014  12:26 PM
dk7th wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:bledsoe, melo and some other guy = championship

LOL


The third guy is a magician!
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8/23/2014  12:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/23/2014  12:30 PM
smackeddog wrote:I wouldn't rule out us making a run at Reggie Jackson- he's a restricted FA (I think), and the Thunder are pretty tight when it comes to spending, plus Fisher will be familiar with him. Depends on how Calderon, Larkin, and our 3 SG's do, I suppose.

Yeah, I'd prefer him to Bledsoe considering Jackson's string of better health and more reasonable contract demands (probably).

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8/23/2014  1:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/23/2014  1:23 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
RonRon wrote:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6630/tony-wroten

Look at how effective Wroten was when given 30minutes + in a game, I believe he is a TOP 10 lottery type pick for next summers draft if he were to enter it
Now his value could multiply if he continues to improve his season and I think we should try to steal him from Philly as they are looking to collect assets and dump talent/clear salaries till both Noel/Embid are able to play together, along with Philly concentrating on the development of MCW and Noel

IN OTHER WORDS, BUY NOW, WHILE WE STILL CAN, his potential outweighs what Lin produced during the stretch, and because he isn't Asian, he will be accepted by CA, Stephen A Smith, along with the BIG PG in the Triangle


It would be great if we can get both Bledsoe and Wroten but I would REACH and give an offer to Philly that they would have trouble in resisting

His ceiling can be as high as Manu/Harden but much better defensive player in my opinion
He is playing behind MKW and play more SG as the 6th man type role but I see a lot of potential and value at his rookie deal
With his weakness being SHOOTING, with 3pt and FT, which can be fixed/learned, however, his ability to penetrate/finish can be right up there with the 1st/2nd tier ALL NBA with John Wall/Harden/Westbrook/ a healthy Rose, Manu, etc...

I would like to BUY him now, before he shows another season of his potential, I believe it will be his most attainable right now, while we can use asset's and even the 3m + in trades to make Philly consider, along with Iman/trade exemption if needed to take the salaries of another player, like JR Smith for Jason Richardson, cash, and Pablo/Iman for Wroten, probably a future 2nd rounder or 2 would even do it right now

Lets not forget the throw ins in Vucevic/Tobias Harris/ even Markless, and at one time Michael Redd at one time

What does Lin being Asian have to do with the accurate perception of who and what his game is?

OH my!

I might have to read Ron Ron rants after all! Once the thought train leaves the station there is no stopping Ron Ron!!

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8/23/2014  4:38 PM
Nalod wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
RonRon wrote:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6630/tony-wroten

Look at how effective Wroten was when given 30minutes + in a game, I believe he is a TOP 10 lottery type pick for next summers draft if he were to enter it
Now his value could multiply if he continues to improve his season and I think we should try to steal him from Philly as they are looking to collect assets and dump talent/clear salaries till both Noel/Embid are able to play together, along with Philly concentrating on the development of MCW and Noel

IN OTHER WORDS, BUY NOW, WHILE WE STILL CAN, his potential outweighs what Lin produced during the stretch, and because he isn't Asian, he will be accepted by CA, Stephen A Smith, along with the BIG PG in the Triangle


It would be great if we can get both Bledsoe and Wroten but I would REACH and give an offer to Philly that they would have trouble in resisting

His ceiling can be as high as Manu/Harden but much better defensive player in my opinion
He is playing behind MKW and play more SG as the 6th man type role but I see a lot of potential and value at his rookie deal
With his weakness being SHOOTING, with 3pt and FT, which can be fixed/learned, however, his ability to penetrate/finish can be right up there with the 1st/2nd tier ALL NBA with John Wall/Harden/Westbrook/ a healthy Rose, Manu, etc...

I would like to BUY him now, before he shows another season of his potential, I believe it will be his most attainable right now, while we can use asset's and even the 3m + in trades to make Philly consider, along with Iman/trade exemption if needed to take the salaries of another player, like JR Smith for Jason Richardson, cash, and Pablo/Iman for Wroten, probably a future 2nd rounder or 2 would even do it right now

Lets not forget the throw ins in Vucevic/Tobias Harris/ even Markless, and at one time Michael Redd at one time

What does Lin being Asian have to do with the accurate perception of who and what his game is?

OH my!

I might have to read Ron Ron rants after all! Once the thought train leaves the station there is no stopping Ron Ron!!

Yeah, I definitely don't follow his reasoning. I'm not denying that it may be the case, particularly for Stephen A Smith (who makes awful points when it comes to anything outside of basketball e.g. about Mark Jackson's and Larry Drew's firing having to do with race, etc.) but there hasn't been anything to substantiate it. I like Lin but it's difficult to make the argument that he's worth a 3 year, $29 million contract. It's even harder to make that argument if your decision is based on just 10 or so stellar games in a sea of ambiguity.

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8/23/2014  5:21 PM
1. The black guys had it in for Lin?? Just seemed like it. I don't think it was racial actually.
2. The thing was him being asian was a bit novel and it sold tickets.
3. If you want to steal a guy away you have to Overpay him. Landry and Parsons benefitted from that.

SAS makes issues and it boosts ratings. Melo was correct in his comment about the contract. He never said anything other than a numerical comment. The fact he was sitting during Linsanity made for better linsane theatre! MDA was fighting for his knick life and at odds with Melo and his ball sticking ways.

Not read anything about Marc Jax fired for race or Drew. Seems NBA coach's get fired all the time. Black or white, those guaranteed contracts are all green to me.

I suppose in the spasm of RonRon's post he meant to equate Lins contract as a base value and that Bledsoe is better and more accomplished. Perhaps true but like most things there has to be a market to validate the value. Lin was "free" to anyone willing to pay. For Lin to move from the coach that "made" him (MDA), he needed a big boast in contract to motivate. Thus, his value was as such to a team that wanted him.

Morey could not have known Harden and Dwight would shake loose otherwise he would not have obtained Asik and lin. Thus, each more is very logical at the time it was made.

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8/23/2014  5:21 PM
Is there a difference between Wroten and Shump? I think Shump is actually better so I would give it a Hard Pass.
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8/23/2014  8:34 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Nalod wrote:

SAS makes issues and it boosts ratings. Melo was correct in his comment about the contract. He never said anything other than a numerical comment.


You don't talk about another players contract.

In pro sports, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT.

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT A TEAM MATES CONTRACT.

Shumpert could come out right now and say that give league history and metrics and statistical analysis, Melo's most recent contract will cover a period of his decline phase due to age and attrition. He would likely be correct in that assessment. However he won't do that BECAUSE YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT.

It is the basic fundamental core of the locker room code. You keep your internal dirty laundry in house. Not in public.

I don't care what Melo meant. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT IN PUBLIC. Leaders don't do that. Professionals don't do that. Whether Melo had a point or not or had a different intent, it doesn't matter.

Stephen A Smith questioning Lin's injury and mocking him by saying "Can't you just give 15 minutes?" was vile and disgusting.

He was a mouthpiece for Melo and CAA and he attacked a Knick. Not just Jeremy Lin. Not just an Asian player. But a NEW YORK KNICK. It's one thing to criticize someone's play, it's another to criticize their character without any justification. It was despicable. I think Raymond Felton was a lousy Knick. And even still, I'd find that being done to Felton, if it had been him, to be just as vile.

Do you really need 11 rings from your new team president and GM and another 4-5 rings from your head coach plus countless tens of millions to tell you that you need to play team ball? Do you realize how pathetic that makes Melo look? That he's been in the league over a decade, and he finally figures out you gotta show up in shape as a pro athlete and .. WOW... you need to play team ball to win. That's just ****ing sad. I mean pathetic. And so he rains down on some rookie undrafted player because he had the gall to do crazy **** like show up, play team ball and be a leader?

Just because you have a point doesn't mean what you did is right.

You could show up to dinner at a friends house and tell him and his wife that their newborn baby has a face that could stop time. You might have a point that the baby is the ugliest thing you've seen. However how is that going to fly at dinner for conversation?

That there are fans here that need that explained to them is equally as sad. There are 8 year olds playing pee wee football who understand the locker room code. If you have a beef with another player or an opinion that is going to be turned into controversy against the team, you hash that horse **** in private.

He was asked a direct question about it when he was playing for Team USA. The interview and its content was played during a summer league game and Hahn talked about Melo's comments. No malice. The deal had a 'poison pill' and it along with Asik's was the first of its kind. That amount of money in year three was ridiculous and Morey needed to move a first and second rounder to get out from it. Melo and Lin seem to be fine with each other. There was video of Lin, Melo and Melo's son playing around at the all star game Lin's first year in Houston.

In regards to Lin's injury, maybe he needed to sit out the playoffs. But the guy was all about getting his money that offseason. He declined an invitation to participate on the USA Select Team because of his pending free agency, fired his long time agent and his new agent started things off by saying he might not come back to NY and then helped negotiate the poison pill deal.

It seems like guys here can find plenty of reasons to be mad at Melo. The Lin contract thing is the most ridiculous in my opinion.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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8/24/2014  2:47 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
Nalod wrote:

SAS makes issues and it boosts ratings. Melo was correct in his comment about the contract. He never said anything other than a numerical comment.


You don't talk about another players contract.

In pro sports, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT.

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT A TEAM MATES CONTRACT.

Shumpert could come out right now and say that give league history and metrics and statistical analysis, Melo's most recent contract will cover a period of his decline phase due to age and attrition. He would likely be correct in that assessment. However he won't do that BECAUSE YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT.

It is the basic fundamental core of the locker room code. You keep your internal dirty laundry in house. Not in public.

I don't care what Melo meant. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT IN PUBLIC. Leaders don't do that. Professionals don't do that. Whether Melo had a point or not or had a different intent, it doesn't matter.

Stephen A Smith questioning Lin's injury and mocking him by saying "Can't you just give 15 minutes?" was vile and disgusting.

He was a mouthpiece for Melo and CAA and he attacked a Knick. Not just Jeremy Lin. Not just an Asian player. But a NEW YORK KNICK. It's one thing to criticize someone's play, it's another to criticize their character without any justification. It was despicable. I think Raymond Felton was a lousy Knick. And even still, I'd find that being done to Felton, if it had been him, to be just as vile.

Do you really need 11 rings from your new team president and GM and another 4-5 rings from your head coach plus countless tens of millions to tell you that you need to play team ball? Do you realize how pathetic that makes Melo look? That he's been in the league over a decade, and he finally figures out you gotta show up in shape as a pro athlete and .. WOW... you need to play team ball to win. That's just ****ing sad. I mean pathetic. And so he rains down on some rookie undrafted player because he had the gall to do crazy **** like show up, play team ball and be a leader?

Just because you have a point doesn't mean what you did is right.

You could show up to dinner at a friends house and tell him and his wife that their newborn baby has a face that could stop time. You might have a point that the baby is the ugliest thing you've seen. However how is that going to fly at dinner for conversation?

That there are fans here that need that explained to them is equally as sad. There are 8 year olds playing pee wee football who understand the locker room code. If you have a beef with another player or an opinion that is going to be turned into controversy against the team, you hash that horse **** in private.

No player talks about Arod's contract
No Teammate talked about his contract


Team ball and coming in healthy is part of being a NBA Pro, even vet mins or rooks, even in the D League
With a max contract, comes great responsibility and leadership
It is just unprofessional what he did to Lin and had been irresponsible as a max player for so many years with team ball and not being in the best shape

Hopefully things change, better late than never..

Great Post but a the same time we have to put it behind us and move forward...

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8/24/2014  9:57 AM
We have 0 big players signed next year. Do the Knicks spend 85mm on 6-0 Eric Bledsoe coming off another injury? No way. Look lets take into account we might have 5 big holes upfront--you know how mnay games we would win---25 tops. We need to allocate our $$ to rebuild the frontline
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8/24/2014  9:59 AM
RonRon wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Nalod wrote:

SAS makes issues and it boosts ratings. Melo was correct in his comment about the contract. He never said anything other than a numerical comment.


You don't talk about another players contract.

In pro sports, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT.

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT A TEAM MATES CONTRACT.

Shumpert could come out right now and say that give league history and metrics and statistical analysis, Melo's most recent contract will cover a period of his decline phase due to age and attrition. He would likely be correct in that assessment. However he won't do that BECAUSE YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT.

It is the basic fundamental core of the locker room code. You keep your internal dirty laundry in house. Not in public.

I don't care what Melo meant. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYERS CONTRACT IN PUBLIC. Leaders don't do that. Professionals don't do that. Whether Melo had a point or not or had a different intent, it doesn't matter.

Stephen A Smith questioning Lin's injury and mocking him by saying "Can't you just give 15 minutes?" was vile and disgusting.

He was a mouthpiece for Melo and CAA and he attacked a Knick. Not just Jeremy Lin. Not just an Asian player. But a NEW YORK KNICK. It's one thing to criticize someone's play, it's another to criticize their character without any justification. It was despicable. I think Raymond Felton was a lousy Knick. And even still, I'd find that being done to Felton, if it had been him, to be just as vile.

Do you really need 11 rings from your new team president and GM and another 4-5 rings from your head coach plus countless tens of millions to tell you that you need to play team ball? Do you realize how pathetic that makes Melo look? That he's been in the league over a decade, and he finally figures out you gotta show up in shape as a pro athlete and .. WOW... you need to play team ball to win. That's just ****ing sad. I mean pathetic. And so he rains down on some rookie undrafted player because he had the gall to do crazy **** like show up, play team ball and be a leader?

Just because you have a point doesn't mean what you did is right.

You could show up to dinner at a friends house and tell him and his wife that their newborn baby has a face that could stop time. You might have a point that the baby is the ugliest thing you've seen. However how is that going to fly at dinner for conversation?

That there are fans here that need that explained to them is equally as sad. There are 8 year olds playing pee wee football who understand the locker room code. If you have a beef with another player or an opinion that is going to be turned into controversy against the team, you hash that horse **** in private.

No player talks about Arod's contract
No Teammate talked about his contract


Team ball and coming in healthy is part of being a NBA Pro, even vet mins or rooks, even in the D League
With a max contract, comes great responsibility and leadership
It is just unprofessional what he did to Lin and had been irresponsible as a max player for so many years with team ball and not being in the best shape

Hopefully things change, better late than never..

Great Post but a the same time we have to put it behind us and move forward...

...but what does any of that have to do with Melo not liking Asians?

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