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One of Phils favorite asst. coaches Jim Cleamons
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fishmike
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8/19/2014  10:13 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:OMG... I have often dreamed of a world where the Knicks were a legitimate franchise
Finally. Nice little influx of young talent. Hopefully some high caliber can be brought in as well. Either way the players are set up to suceed
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8/19/2014  10:24 AM
Is Bill Cartwright on Staff? I met him two years ago and he was a very pleasent fellow.

Yes fish, I think this crew will get a lot out of the roster and that is all you can ask for. The talent is far from contention but thats someting that can be addressed in time.

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8/19/2014  10:43 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:I don't know if the assistant coaches will be able to function properly without the guidance of Herb Williams.

lmao

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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8/19/2014  11:33 AM
Nalod wrote:Phil has his band back together with new charismatic front man "fish" to support him. This is very solid and demonstrates the level of commitment by Dolan.

While teams are limited by the salary cap they can spend on coach's and presidents as has Dolan.

As a reminder, the knicks traded Clyde for Jim Cleamons back in the day.

Really? Was Cleamons a good basketball player? NEver saw him play

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8/19/2014  5:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2014  5:12 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:
Nalod wrote:Phil has his band back together with new charismatic front man "fish" to support him. This is very solid and demonstrates the level of commitment by Dolan.

While teams are limited by the salary cap they can spend on coach's and presidents as has Dolan.

As a reminder, the knicks traded Clyde for Jim Cleamons back in the day.

Really? Was Cleamons a good basketball player? NEver saw him play

Its all realitive, career avg was about 8.3 pts and 4 dimes. I think Knicks thought he was ready for prime time but not really star material. Dude was good in a Mardy Collins kind of way.
Clevelend got a broken Clyde and paid his contract.

Look at Clydes last two seasons with knicks (in decline) and with Cavs he played 51 games, then 12, then 3 games in his last three seasons.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fraziwa01.html

So in a way we got some production from a younger role player who could play with Earl vs Clyde.

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8/19/2014  10:34 PM
Really good read about Phil and his coaches and how he likes his staff.

On Phil Jackson's Lakers coaching staff, familiarity breeds contentment
Jackson and assistants Frank Hamblen, Jim Cleamons and Brian Shaw operate on a wavelength so similar, they can almost read each other's minds. And as is often the case with Jackson's coaching philosophy, the 'family tree' leads back to Tex Winter.
May 21, 2010|By Lisa Dillman

It's not as though the Lakers' assistant coaches have a portal, accessible only through a cubbyhole in El Segundo, winding into the mind of head Coach Phil Jackson.

It only seems that way sometimes.

That's perfectly natural when a coaching staff has been together, for the most part, through two franchises (Chicago and Los Angeles), power struggles, championship runs and an earthquake or two.

Lakers assistant Frank Hamblen laughed a bit when he was asked whether he often knew what Jackson was going to say before he said it.

"We've been together quite a long time," he said. "I've been around Phil for a long time. We're all on the same page and we think alike. We think his way. He's got us all thinking his way."

Lakers assistant Jim Cleamons was on Jackson's staff in Chicago, and Hamblen joined the Bulls under Jackson when Cleamons departed in 1996 to coach the Dallas Mavericks.

It says something about continuity when the "kid" of the Lakers' coaching staff happens to be Brian Shaw, who started in the 2004-05 season. That Shaw would eventually become a coach almost seemed a foregone conclusion. Hamblen was one of many to predict that Shaw, even in his Lakers playing days, would later coach.

One hallmark of Jackson's early Lakers days was the byplay between Jackson and triangle-offense guru Tex Winter. Winter won nine championships with Jackson, the final three with the Lakers. "It's father-son, it's brother-brother, mentor-to-pupil," Hamblen told The Times in 2000, speaking of the Jackson-Winter dynamic. "It's just terrific. It actually could probably play in Vegas at times.''

Many Lakers roads lead to Winter. Lakers special assistant Craig Hodges, designated as the team's shooting coach — which makes sense, considering he appeared in the first eight NBA three-point contests — first played for Winter at Long Beach State and later for Winter and Jackson with the Bulls.

The special nature of the Lakers coaching fraternity means that out of sight doesn't mean dropping out of the family picture album. Winter, now living in Oregon, had a stroke a little more than a year ago but was able to join the Lakers for a game at Portland in February and spoke to the team before the game.

Kurt Rambis, a Lakers assistant for 10 seasons, just completed his first season as head coach in Minnesota and has been at Lakers playoff games this spring.

Rambis essentially coordinated the defense in his last season with the Lakers, and they did not fill his position when he departed, spreading the defensive responsibilities among the remaining three assistants, Hamblen, Cleamons and Shaw.

New on the scene this season is former NBA player Chuck Person, who is a special coaching assistant and advisor. Person worked with Ron Artest at Indiana and later at Sacramento, and lately, has worked more closely with Kobe Bryant.

"When I first started to average a lot of points, started to play good basketball, it had a lot to do with Chuck," Artest said of Person. "He taught me how to play in the NBA."

The workload for the assistants is not divided purely in a positional sense; instead it is determined by the upcoming opponent.

Each of the three assistants is assigned to handle scouting, game plans and presentations specific to anywhere from eight to 10 teams. For instance, Shaw is responsible for Phoenix and Orlando. Cleamons had Oklahoma City, and Hamblen was assigned Boston, Utah and Denver, among others.

"It comes out at the beginning of the year,'' Cleamons said. "Each one of us knows when it is our time to step up. We're going to be prepared, make our presentation, hope the team will accept it and understand how the game plan was put together."

There is, as you might guess, a method to Jackson's distribution patterns.

"With me," Shaw said, "I know he [Jackson] specifically said, I'm going to give you teams that have coaches that are your contemporaries and your age — guys that you played against that are coaching now because you're young and at some point when you become the head coach, you'll be coaching against these guys. They'll still be coaching, so start familiarizing yourself with them now."

Another advantage of the experienced staff is the collective sense of hoops history — the ability to fill in the branches of an NBA family tree.

"The biggest kick I get in the mornings when we meet is the history I get from these coaches to make the connections," Shaw said. "It'll be a young coach like a Scotty Brooks at Oklahoma City who coached under maybe someone that coached under somebody that coached under Hubie Brown who was connected to somebody who was connected to Red Holzman from back in the '60s.

"Especially when Tex Winter was here. They'll say, 'Oh, this system came from such and such back in the '50s,' and you can connect. . . . So you see the tree."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/21/sports/la-sp-lakers-coaches-20100522

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8/19/2014  10:54 PM
Another good article with insight into Phil's assistants and how things should work. It really underscores how good it is that Phil is here and has brought in some of his guys to support Fish.

Shaw thinks the offense is too complicated to ask the head coach to teach it by himself, so without players who know it or a staff to help with the instructions he hasn’t bothered to fully install it in Denver. He runs elements of the triangle, just as he worked to incorporate pieces into the offense of the Indiana Pacers when he was an assistant coach there. He wanted to have some structure, not be as dependent on transition baskets as previous Denver teams have been because he doesn’t believe that style will lead to success in the playoffs. (The eight first-round exits in nine playoff appearances under predecessor George Karl back up that assertion).

“I’m running more generic versions of offense that every team in the league runs, because I don’t have personnel with me or staff with me that has experience with running the triangle,” Shaw said.

One NBA scout described Denver’s offense as “Very limited. Basic.”

True triangle mavens are a lost breed from another era, like the Jedi knights in the original “Star Wars.” One problem is that Jackson himself was the apprentice even when he was the head coach. The triangle offense was the creation of Jackson’s elder and coaching mentor, Tex Winter (who dubbed it the triple-post offense). Their presence is felt more in Springfield, Mass., than NBA arenas these days. What does it say when there are more triangle offense disciples in the Hall of Fame than current practitioners in the NBA?

Another issue that Kobe Bryant brought up is that it’s not just the system, it’s the style ... the way of life, even.

“Phil’s philosophies are different, to say the least, in terms of how he teaches the game and how he coaches the game,” Bryant said. “There’s some X’s and O’s to it, obviously. But he teaches players, he teaches guys how to play. He teaches from a place of Zen, he teaches from a place of emotional balance. And it’s hard to duplicate that. It’s hard to replicate that. It has to be something that’s a part of you. His philosophies and beliefs, the meditation and all that, it’s very, very hard to duplicate that.

“The system is predicated on the spirituality of the game. In terms of being in the moment and reacting to situations, balance. How [Jackson] teaches the system comes directly from his beliefs and his philosophies spiritually. That’s why you see the teams that go out there and try to run it in the past, they don’t have the same level of success.”

Shaw admitted he doesn’t even bother to try some of Jackson’s tricks, such as burning sage in the locker room to cleanse it of bad vibes during a losing streak.

“It wouldn’t go over if I tried to do something like that,” Shaw said.

That’s because it wouldn’t be a reflection of who he is. Shaw is from Oakland in the 1970s and '80s, not a kid from the prairies who lived in Greenwich Village in the '60s.

Yes, part of the tree’s paucity is that Jackson was so unique that people realize he’s impossible to duplicate.

Part of it is because of Jackson’s aloof nature. Jackson didn’t make many friends at league headquarters because he rarely acquiesced to the NBA’s demands/requests.

He wasn’t big on schmoozing. (One time he blew off a respectful Mike Krzyzewski, the modern college equivalent of Jackson, and left Coach K fuming.) You didn’t see him chatting down by the other bench before or after games. He purposefully mispronounced other coaches' names.

“Phil stayed purposefully disconnected from people around the league,” Shaw said. “That was his thing: Keep everybody at bay, because he wanted to have an edge. He wasn’t part of any coach’s clique or anything like that. There’s other coaches around the league that anything they touch turns to gold. If they anoint this guy he’s going to be coach or a GM.”

Sure seems that way for Gregg Popovich. The San Antonio Spurs’ web spreads from coast to coast, with coaches Brett Brown (Philadelphia) Mike Brown (Cleveland), Jacque Vaughn (Orlando), Mike Budenholzer (Atlanta), Monty Williams (New Orleans) and Doc Rivers (Los Angeles Clippers), along with front office executives Danny Ferry (Atlanta), Sam Presti (Oklahoma City), Dell Demps (New Orleans), Kevin Pritchard (Indiana) and Rob Hennigan (Orlando).

One reason for the proliferation of Pop people was told to me when I examined the phenomenon last year: there’s a belief that the Popovich way can work in small markets with smaller budgets, and not just in L.A. or Chicago with Kobe, Shaq or Michael Jordan. Of course, we have yet to see any of the Spurs’ spawns achieve San Antonio’s success. It might be too much to ask of the Spurs themselves once Tim Duncan is gone.

That hasn’t stopped franchise after franchise from trying to get themselves a piece of what Pop’s done in San Antonio. Meanwhile, Shaw goes at it alone, the only head coach who’s an associate of the best that ever did it.

“I feel blessed and fortunate to have coached and been around Phil and learned everything that I learned under him,” Shaw said. “I would never deny what it’s done for me. I’m proud to be from his coaching tree, even if I’m the trunk, the branches the leaves and everything all by myself.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/65170/phil-jacksons-lone-branch-manager
One of Phils favorite asst. coaches Jim Cleamons

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