Media reports? Tarot cards? Tea Leaves? A portal into his mind? Can Sniff this out?

Heres the thing, Im gonna "guess" that Melo, Took the opt out and had had this offer in his back pocket but wanted to check the opportunities out and see what his choices were. Take that offer off the table, then what? He always had the Knick money.

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:So to recap:

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear Says

What I mean is don't bullsh!t and say you want a title and to visit other teams with less to give as though he would sign with them for 30 - 40 million less. It was all air. Phil Jackson should have challenged him on that by offering 115 million dollars and stand pack on that. That is still 25 - 30 million anyone else could offer. If he wanted to really help get another or 2 good players by his side he should have given more back. If he wanted all the money then hey take it but don't start complaining about who is surrounding him.

You would've been happy at 115 instead of 124. That is a difference of less than 2 mil a year.

How are you getting "another or 2 good players" for an extra 1.8 mil per year?

You can always sign a veteran minimum for 1.7 mil.

I don't get your pain.

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:So to recap:

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear Says

What I mean is don't bullsh!t and say you want a title and to visit other teams with less to give as though he would sign with them for 30 - 40 million less. It was all air. Phil Jackson should have challenged him on that by offering 115 million dollars and stand pack on that. That is still 25 - 30 million anyone else could offer. If he wanted to really help get another or 2 good players by his side he should have given more back. If he wanted all the money then hey take it but don't start complaining about who is surrounding him.

You would've been happy at 115 instead of 124. That is a difference of less than 2 mil a year.

How are you getting "another or 2 good players" for an extra 1.8 mil per year?

You can always sign a veteran minimum for 1.7 mil.

I don't get your pain.

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha Don't try it. His top was 129 million he signed for 124 million or something like that.So at 115 million he would be leaving around 14 - 15 million on the table. With that we could have signed someone for 2 years for 7 million per year or 3 years at around 5 million per year. However with 15 million on the table it could be the difference of signing 2 stars. Right now next season we will have about 20 million in cap, just imagin if we had maybe 27 million to work with. You see it's the big picture.

The part of your post I have bolded is the part that is factually incorrect. You are basing your post on something that is fictional. We can't take the money Melo didn't take over 5 years and then give it to a guy on a 2 or 3 year contract. The CBA doesn't allow that.

What I posted was the correct split. Every 5 mil Anthony would've "given back" from the $129mil over 5 years would only result in a net 1 million relief on the salary cap. So you asking Melo to forfeit 14-15 mil is only opening up 2.8mil per season instead of only 1mil per season. You are getting worked up over 1.8 million per year.

Now is that something to be worked up about? The only year it matters mist likely is next summer. I don't think an extra 1.8 mil is going to matter all that much. But it means $14-15 mil less for Melo. Why should Melo give back that much, to only gain an additional 1.8 mil cap space? Its not efficient.

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:So to recap:

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear Says

What I mean is don't bullsh!t and say you want a title and to visit other teams with less to give as though he would sign with them for 30 - 40 million less. It was all air. Phil Jackson should have challenged him on that by offering 115 million dollars and stand pack on that. That is still 25 - 30 million anyone else could offer. If he wanted to really help get another or 2 good players by his side he should have given more back. If he wanted all the money then hey take it but don't start complaining about who is surrounding him.

You would've been happy at 115 instead of 124. That is a difference of less than 2 mil a year.

How are you getting "another or 2 good players" for an extra 1.8 mil per year?

You can always sign a veteran minimum for 1.7 mil.

I don't get your pain.

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha Don't try it. His top was 129 million he signed for 124 million or something like that.So at 115 million he would be leaving around 14 - 15 million on the table. With that we could have signed someone for 2 years for 7 million per year or 3 years at around 5 million per year. However with 15 million on the table it could be the difference of signing 2 stars. Right now next season we will have about 20 million in cap, just imagin if we had maybe 27 million to work with. You see it's the big picture.

The part of your post I have bolded is the part that is factually incorrect. You are basing your post on something that is fictional. We can't take the money Melo didn't take over 5 years and then give it to a guy on a 2 or 3 year contract. The CBA doesn't allow that.

What I posted was the correct split. Every 5 mil Anthony would've "given back" from the $129mil over 5 years would only result in a net 1 million relief on the salary cap. So you asking Melo to forfeit 14-15 mil is only opening up 2.8mil per season instead of only 1mil per season. You are getting worked up over 1.8 million per year.

Now is that something to be worked up about? The only year it matters mist likely is next summer. I don't think an extra 1.8 mil is going to matter all that much. But it means $14-15 mil less for Melo. Why should Melo give back that much, to only gain an additional 1.8 mil cap space? Its not efficient.

Papabear Says

You are wrong again. It depends on how Melo would structure his payments each year. An example is how LeBron, Wade, and Bosh structured their payments each year.So don't tell me that Melo giving up 15 million wouldn't make a difference. If thats the case then why did he give up what he did? Your case don't make sense. Explain to me why did he give up what he did if it had no meaning. If Melo took 6 million less the first year and 6 million the 2nd year and 3 million the 3rd year that could help us bring in another big name. A 3 year contract to a big name and after that we will have the right to sign that person to another max contract that we can offer more than anyone else after 3 years the same way we offered Melo a max contract. So it all depends on how the money is structured.

YOu have to amortize that amount over the 5 years and they are correct that you can only go up or down 7% per year.

For melo to go down another 9 million over 5years averages 1.8mil per year. Your gut is wrong.

The things Sam and Crush are telling you are correct.

Regarding Melo in chicago vs. NY and taking the money Im sure has some validity to it. That and perhaps being happy Living most of the year in NYC as does La La and his kid in his school.

Im sure Jim Boehiem is correct that Melo would not have come back without Phil and his assembled staff. And the money.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:So to recap:

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear Says

What I mean is don't bullsh!t and say you want a title and to visit other teams with less to give as though he would sign with them for 30 - 40 million less. It was all air. Phil Jackson should have challenged him on that by offering 115 million dollars and stand pack on that. That is still 25 - 30 million anyone else could offer. If he wanted to really help get another or 2 good players by his side he should have given more back. If he wanted all the money then hey take it but don't start complaining about who is surrounding him.

You would've been happy at 115 instead of 124. That is a difference of less than 2 mil a year.

How are you getting "another or 2 good players" for an extra 1.8 mil per year?

You can always sign a veteran minimum for 1.7 mil.

I don't get your pain.

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha Don't try it. His top was 129 million he signed for 124 million or something like that.So at 115 million he would be leaving around 14 - 15 million on the table. With that we could have signed someone for 2 years for 7 million per year or 3 years at around 5 million per year. However with 15 million on the table it could be the difference of signing 2 stars. Right now next season we will have about 20 million in cap, just imagin if we had maybe 27 million to work with. You see it's the big picture.

The part of your post I have bolded is the part that is factually incorrect. You are basing your post on something that is fictional. We can't take the money Melo didn't take over 5 years and then give it to a guy on a 2 or 3 year contract. The CBA doesn't allow that.

What I posted was the correct split. Every 5 mil Anthony would've "given back" from the $129mil over 5 years would only result in a net 1 million relief on the salary cap. So you asking Melo to forfeit 14-15 mil is only opening up 2.8mil per season instead of only 1mil per season. You are getting worked up over 1.8 million per year.

Now is that something to be worked up about? The only year it matters mist likely is next summer. I don't think an extra 1.8 mil is going to matter all that much. But it means $14-15 mil less for Melo. Why should Melo give back that much, to only gain an additional 1.8 mil cap space? Its not efficient.

You're right about the dollar values but I disagree with your interpretation. You can't know that 2.8 mil wouldn't matter or that the only year that we will be trying to get top FAs is 2015. $2.8 mil per year means an extra $11 mil to offer a guy on a 4 year contract. You're getting a different level player for 9.2 vs. 12 mil per, for example.

Salary gap is probably a little more significant, examples can prove otherwise different too

Like Ariza and Parsons, big salary gap but are you getting a different level player

Overall I don't think there is a big enough gap between a $9mil and $12mil player

Maybe $6-8mil in comparison to a $11-13mil

Another example on the other side

Is there a different level in talent between Lance and Gordon Hayward, look a their salaries

But what if you wanted say 2 $6mil players from your salary slots given

I think it has more to do with flexibility

The choices a team can have at disposal of pursuance or salary players are looking to command

The smaller the pot, the smaller the options

nixluva wrote:It's really hard to know what Phil will do but in truth Melo's contract was not the factor that some here are thinking it was. 1st of all it was important to Phil to have Melo in the fold. He knows that it is extremely difficult to find top tier talents. Some may have a low appreciation of Melo's talent but the guy who actually matter is Phil and he's the only one here that has the credentials to make a legit determination of Melo's value. We can all have our opinions but Phil has direct experience in dealing with players of this talent level and he decided that he wanted Melo as opposed to starting from scratch, which he could've done. Who has seen more HOF talent than Phil Jackson??? None of the guys who are talking ish have any clue what it's like to be in a locker room with HOF talent, much less coaching that kind of talent.

Phil gave Melo choices and the thing is he did take one of the choices according to Phil. The extra degree of savings he could've given is not as large as some think and even if he did that it is hard to say how Phil is looking at the building of the roster. He may have told Melo that he's not planning to totally gut the team for one high priced FA. There are other ways to get this done. This season will tell Phil a lot more about what he already has and what he needs to bring in.

Which begs to question

Why Phil wouldn't give Kobe 2yr $48mil but was willing to offer Melo 5yrs $129mil if needed

Which of those players is more talented or proven in direct connection with Phil

Funny how people think and what they will do to fulfill their own agenda

Sambakick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:So to recap:

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear Says

What I mean is don't bullsh!t and say you want a title and to visit other teams with less to give as though he would sign with them for 30 - 40 million less. It was all air. Phil Jackson should have challenged him on that by offering 115 million dollars and stand pack on that. That is still 25 - 30 million anyone else could offer. If he wanted to really help get another or 2 good players by his side he should have given more back. If he wanted all the money then hey take it but don't start complaining about who is surrounding him.

You would've been happy at 115 instead of 124. That is a difference of less than 2 mil a year.

How are you getting "another or 2 good players" for an extra 1.8 mil per year?

You can always sign a veteran minimum for 1.7 mil.

I don't get your pain.

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha Don't try it. His top was 129 million he signed for 124 million or something like that.So at 115 million he would be leaving around 14 - 15 million on the table. With that we could have signed someone for 2 years for 7 million per year or 3 years at around 5 million per year. However with 15 million on the table it could be the difference of signing 2 stars. Right now next season we will have about 20 million in cap, just imagin if we had maybe 27 million to work with. You see it's the big picture.

The part of your post I have bolded is the part that is factually incorrect. You are basing your post on something that is fictional. We can't take the money Melo didn't take over 5 years and then give it to a guy on a 2 or 3 year contract. The CBA doesn't allow that.

What I posted was the correct split. Every 5 mil Anthony would've "given back" from the $129mil over 5 years would only result in a net 1 million relief on the salary cap. So you asking Melo to forfeit 14-15 mil is only opening up 2.8mil per season instead of only 1mil per season. You are getting worked up over 1.8 million per year.

Now is that something to be worked up about? The only year it matters mist likely is next summer. I don't think an extra 1.8 mil is going to matter all that much. But it means $14-15 mil less for Melo. Why should Melo give back that much, to only gain an additional 1.8 mil cap space? Its not efficient.

You're right about the dollar values but I disagree with your interpretation. You can't know that 2.8 mil wouldn't matter or that the only year that we will be trying to get top FAs is 2015. $2.8 mil per year means an extra $11 mil to offer a guy on a 4 year contract. You're getting a different level player for 9.2 vs. 12 mil per, for example.

Bonn
There is only a
1.8 mil per year difference between taking 124 and 115 not 2.8

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Sambakick wrote:So to recap:

Melo taking all the money. Papabear would've felt better.
So he leaves 1 mil on the table each year ... that's just a bag of SHELLS!
He should've left 2.8 mil per year on the table so the Knicks could get a REAL DIFFERENCE MAKER!

Papabear Says

What I mean is don't bullsh!t and say you want a title and to visit other teams with less to give as though he would sign with them for 30 - 40 million less. It was all air. Phil Jackson should have challenged him on that by offering 115 million dollars and stand pack on that. That is still 25 - 30 million anyone else could offer. If he wanted to really help get another or 2 good players by his side he should have given more back. If he wanted all the money then hey take it but don't start complaining about who is surrounding him.

You would've been happy at 115 instead of 124. That is a difference of less than 2 mil a year.

How are you getting "another or 2 good players" for an extra 1.8 mil per year?

You can always sign a veteran minimum for 1.7 mil.

I don't get your pain.

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha Don't try it. His top was 129 million he signed for 124 million or something like that.So at 115 million he would be leaving around 14 - 15 million on the table. With that we could have signed someone for 2 years for 7 million per year or 3 years at around 5 million per year. However with 15 million on the table it could be the difference of signing 2 stars. Right now next season we will have about 20 million in cap, just imagin if we had maybe 27 million to work with. You see it's the big picture.

The part of your post I have bolded is the part that is factually incorrect. You are basing your post on something that is fictional. We can't take the money Melo didn't take over 5 years and then give it to a guy on a 2 or 3 year contract. The CBA doesn't allow that.

What I posted was the correct split. Every 5 mil Anthony would've "given back" from the $129mil over 5 years would only result in a net 1 million relief on the salary cap. So you asking Melo to forfeit 14-15 mil is only opening up 2.8mil per season instead of only 1mil per season. You are getting worked up over 1.8 million per year.

Now is that something to be worked up about? The only year it matters mist likely is next summer. I don't think an extra 1.8 mil is going to matter all that much. But it means $14-15 mil less for Melo. Why should Melo give back that much, to only gain an additional 1.8 mil cap space? Its not efficient.

You're right about the dollar values but I disagree with your interpretation. You can't know that 2.8 mil wouldn't matter or that the only year that we will be trying to get top FAs is 2015. $2.8 mil per year means an extra $11 mil to offer a guy on a 4 year contract. You're getting a different level player for 9.2 vs. 12 mil per, for example.

Bonn
There is only a
1.8 mil per year difference between taking 124 and 115 not 2.8

I still think every penny counts.

It does.

If Phil can do wonders with $1.4mil wiggle room

He could do until there is no more want with more wiggle room

What's done is done I think we all understand this

But don't sell Melo couldn't have done too much more to help the situation out