fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:this thread shouldn't be confused with fish's "burning p's" that he experiences from time to time.

imho, everyone will play good soldier but in the final few mins of a game, expect iso-melo.

thank god for penicillin. One pill and your back in action!

You were the one who posted Felton's Wins and Losses shooting %s correct

Got any explanation of the disparity of shooting from Melo qrt to qrt

Obviously he's not the sole reason we had a poor year last year

Although, did this article clear some of the cataract from your eyes

how about using your own eyes? Did you watch? Or are you one of those gems on this site who like to post trash after trash but never actually watches the games because they arent worth your time?

Im assuming in your eyes the only reason that the 2013 Knicks are the only losing team Melo has ever played on is because of Melo?

Rather than bait me why not just add something of your own? Why do you think Melo's production tailed off late in games? Could it be he led the league in minutes? Could it be he was most guarded player away from the ball in the league? Did you watch any Knick games last year? Do you need me to explain things to you? Feel free to add your own thoughts... your allowed to do that.

Don't get mad because the same formula has now proven to work against you

Once again no one is pinning all the blame on Melo

What creates heartache he can't be cleared of not being guilty

He tailed off late in games because he wasn't in shape and low bball IQ to adjust

You have to be in shape to play a heavy amount of minutes

Maybe if Fihser monitors his minutes like he should and relies on the rest of the team more, we'll get better results

This year Melo could be fit enough to play heavy minutes, but only if needed

I also think he felt tons of pressure as the game became tight

You honestly think every game teams only double and triple teamed him

In the 3rd and 4th qrts

First of all we know this didn't happen nor is it remotely credible

Second of all if so, he was good enough to best them in the 1st and 2nd

Then fail in the 3rd and 4th?

We were a bad team in 2013 all players including Melo share the blame

yellowboy90 wrote:I'm sorry but it has been established that Melo doesn't get doubled

He does but not to degree some make it out to be

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:this thread shouldn't be confused with fish's "burning p's" that he experiences from time to time.

imho, everyone will play good soldier but in the final few mins of a game, expect iso-melo.

thank god for penicillin. One pill and your back in action!

You were the one who posted Felton's Wins and Losses shooting %s correct

Got any explanation of the disparity of shooting from Melo qrt to qrt

Obviously he's not the sole reason we had a poor year last year

Although, did this article clear some of the cataract from your eyes

how about using your own eyes? Did you watch? Or are you one of those gems on this site who like to post trash after trash but never actually watches the games because they arent worth your time?

Im assuming in your eyes the only reason that the 2013 Knicks are the only losing team Melo has ever played on is because of Melo?

Rather than bait me why not just add something of your own? Why do you think Melo's production tailed off late in games? Could it be he led the league in minutes? Could it be he was most guarded player away from the ball in the league? Did you watch any Knick games last year? Do you need me to explain things to you? Feel free to add your own thoughts... your allowed to do that.

Don't get mad because the same formula has now proven to work against you

Once again no one is pinning all the blame on Melo

What creates heartache he can't be cleared of not being guilty

He tailed off late in games because he wasn't in shape and low bball IQ to adjust

You have to be in shape to play a heavy amount of minutes

Maybe if Fihser monitors his minutes like he should and relies on the rest of the team more, we'll get better results

This year Melo could be fit enough to play heavy minutes, but only if needed

I also think he felt tons of pressure as the game became tight

You honestly think every game teams only double and triple teamed him

In the 3rd and 4th qrts

First of all we know this didn't happen nor is it remotely credible

Second of all if so, he was good enough to best them in the 1st and 2nd

Then fail in the 3rd and 4th?

We were a bad team in 2013 all players including Melo share the blame

I see you added nothing but hearsay regarding your opinion on Melo's conditioning. So your only thought is "Melo is fat" and lets find as much obscure half truths that support that. Good stuff.

He should look to use his turn around jumper from the baseline with a counter or 2 to stay consistent, similar to how Jordan and Kobe mastered that shot in one point of their careers, making it a 50% shot despite not being in the paint

RonRon wrote:I don't think Fisher can actually "change CA"
CA must want to change himself, trust his team mates, and NOT take shots he thinks he can make, moving the ball for the CHANCE of a better shot, for consistency/ball and player movement in the long run for chemistry

He should look to use his turn around jumper from the baseline with a counter or 2 to stay consistent, similar to how Jordan and Kobe mastered that shot in one point of their careers, making it a 50% shot despite not being in the paint

he takes that shot from the right baseline about twice a game. it is a shot that can't be stopped. for the life of me i have never understood why he doesn't take that shot 5-6 times a game. the other shot he should have been taking 5-6 times a game is off two elbow screens going right to left. he should never be getting the ball from 25 feet out and then face up and try to do those moronic little jab steps.

RonRon wrote:

dk7th wrote:

RonRon wrote:I don't think Fisher can actually "change CA"
CA must want to change himself, trust his team mates, and NOT take shots he thinks he can make, moving the ball for the CHANCE of a better shot, for consistency/ball and player movement in the long run for chemistry

He should look to use his turn around jumper from the baseline with a counter or 2 to stay consistent, similar to how Jordan and Kobe mastered that shot in one point of their careers, making it a 50% shot despite not being in the paint

he takes that shot from the right baseline about twice a game. it is a shot that can't be stopped. for the life of me i have never understood why he doesn't take that shot 5-6 times a game. the other shot he should have been taking 5-6 times a game is off two elbow screens going right to left. he should never be getting the ball from 25 feet out and then face up and try to do those moronic little jab steps.

He use to utilize that move much more in Denver, with George Karl, especially his earlier and best career years
Karl tried to make CA and JR understand that that it wasn't about hitting or missing a shot but making a consistent GOTO MOVE that allowed his teammates to predict when the shot was going up and when to crash the boards along with floor spacing and getting back on DEF if he misses

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:No more contested mid-range jumpshots with a lot of time left on the clock. That's pretty much the only thing I'd want him to try to change. He's very effective in the paint and from 3 point range. If he can be a better distributor, great but that doesn't really seem to be part of his game.

Papabear Says

If the triangle is working and the Knicks are winning you will have no problem with Melo. But if the team is losing with the triangle then you will see Melo revert back to his old game and tune Fisher out. And Jackson out. Maybe next season force a trade to some team who is willing to take him and it must be a team that he want to go to with a chance of a title.

Melo has to be the "it" guy to make the triangle work. Others will try to follow suit or even be better at it. It's not whether or not the team can lose with a triangle. We have all seen the results. It's whether or not Melo can be a leader by example in the /\. ( need an emoticon, Martin / Andrew) I see no reason why it shouldn't work. Our d might not be the best, but then again it might be just enough( cannot believe I am channeling MDA here)

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:No more contested mid-range jumpshots with a lot of time left on the clock. That's pretty much the only thing I'd want him to try to change. He's very effective in the paint and from 3 point range. If he can be a better distributor, great but that doesn't really seem to be part of his game.

Papabear Says

If the triangle is working and the Knicks are winning you will have no problem with Melo. But if the team is losing with the triangle then you will see Melo revert back to his old game and tune Fisher out. And Jackson out. Maybe next season force a trade to some team who is willing to take him and it must be a team that he want to go to with a chance of a title.

What does "working" mean?
We have to be a good enough team to attract FAs next off-season. I think anything below a .550 winning % probably won't cut it.

that would be 45 games which is the upper edge of reasonable expectation. their defense is going to be well below average so the offense has to be more than well above average to reach 45 wins.

for it to work i believe we need to see melo and bargani account for close to 9 assists a game and a 3-4 point rise in TS%. just a hunch.

what do you think?

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The way the CBA is structured we can never offer more than the players current team. If a FA comes here either his team doesn't want him bad enough or the player wants to come here to win. It's really simple. The Knicks have to show that they have the trademarks of a Phil Jackson team. Playing a high level of Team BB and winning. At the least show real progress. I think this system will help transform the way this team views itself and how others view them. Playing such a team oriented style will be shocking to most who are used to this team playing selfish ball.

That's probably true 95% of the time. If we're under the cap and the other team isn't and doesn't have the player's Bird rights, I think we can offer more though. That might happen if a 2nd round pick or an undrafted player really blossoms like a Michael Redd.

Begs the question does anyone know of any good players in that situation?