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8/16/2014  12:48 AM
We need to sever ties with Leon Rose clients in the future.

I bet potential free agents next year are licking their chops, if they're looking our direction

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8/16/2014  12:56 AM
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Coon said Kobe was able to get 80% of his season salary in advance.

We know Kobe loves his money too

He's the one who's been mentoring Melo over the yrs


I select to receive 19% of my salary every year in one payment. It is the max allowed under my contract. Is that because I love money?
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8/16/2014  12:59 AM
F500ONE wrote:We need to sever ties with Leon Rose clients in the future.

I bet potential free agents next year are licking their chops, if they're looking our direction


Licking their chops because they might elect to have their annual salary distributed in a way allowed by the current cba?
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8/16/2014  2:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/16/2014  2:53 AM
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Coon said Kobe was able to get 80% of his season salary in advance.

We know Kobe loves his money too

He's the one who's been mentoring Melo over the yrs

Correct me if I'm wrong here but if a players opts for this structure over the traditional structure they are still getting the same amount in the end, right? So how is asking for a lump sum upfront indicative that Kobe, Melo, or whomever is more money hungry than your typical pro athlete? I'm confused here, please explain.

Also, yes I'm sure agents not named Leon Rose are benevolent men who aren't after the biggest payday possible for their clients (and themselves). Yes, yes, Agents not named Rose live and die by the ethos of less money is more fulfilling and that professional athletes should take less money so that the owners of the teams, afterall, reap the lions share of the profits. What would the players be without the owners anyway? We could always watch and analyze and break down Cuban, Dolan, Krause, e al play 5 on 5 full court. It would be just as scintillating.

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8/16/2014  2:57 AM
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VDesai wrote:He's also taking half his contract as an advance to help him get into shape.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/knicks-carmelo-anthony-takes-62-million-advance-1408146976

He took the maximum allowable advance $62mil up front

Melo loves his money


His trainer says this about his training motivation

Seems to still be tied to money


The longer he can play the more max pay advance contracts he can get

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/58309/trainer-melo-sheds-pounds-adds-years

Hate to break it to you but usually basketball players work in exchange for money, and they try and get as much money as possible because they can buy more things with it.

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8/16/2014  4:25 AM
the zen triangle is gonna be so good for us,

it's almost too good to be true, that we'll have the triangle,

the triangle will lead to high scoring games with lots of fun passing

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8/16/2014  8:31 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Coon said Kobe was able to get 80% of his season salary in advance.

We know Kobe loves his money too

He's the one who's been mentoring Melo over the yrs

Correct me if I'm wrong here but if a players opts for this structure over the traditional structure they are still getting the same amount in the end, right? So how is asking for a lump sum upfront indicative that Kobe, Melo, or whomever is more money hungry than your typical pro athlete? I'm confused here, please explain.

Also, yes I'm sure agents not named Leon Rose are benevolent men who aren't after the biggest payday possible for their clients (and themselves). Yes, yes, Agents not named Rose live and die by the ethos of less money is more fulfilling and that professional athletes should take less money so that the owners of the teams, afterall, reap the lions share of the profits. What would the players be without the owners anyway? We could always watch and analyze and break down Cuban, Dolan, Krause, e al play 5 on 5 full court. It would be just as scintillating.

You are correct. Herring went back and corrected his original piece. Melo is getting half of this seasons salary in advance. He still is getting paid the same amount for the year.

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8/16/2014  8:34 AM
http://www.hoop365.com/nba/eastern-conference/atlantic-division/new-york-knicks/melo-did-not-get-62-million-in-advance/

For the most part, NBA players are paid on the first and fifteenth of every month, with a standard of 24 paydays per calendar year. Players earning more than the minimum can agree to 12 payments over six months or 36 payments over eighteen months, yet the norm is the norm.

There is room for some further deviation from these standards. Players can receive both advances on their salary, and receive loans from their teams.

There is not, however, room for the amount of deviation that is currently being reported in the case of Carmelo Anthony.

It is being reported in several places around the web, most notably (and I believe initially) the Wall Street Journal, that Melo received 50% of his new $124,064,681 contract in one up front payment. Admittedly, it is not so much expressly stated as it is implied that this is the case, but whichever it is, it is wrong. The confusion comes from a misunderstanding about how, when and to what degree NBA contracts can be advanced, a confusion I hope to clarify here.

The first and most important point to make is that salary for a future season can never ever be advanced. NBA seasons begin on July 1st and end on June 30th, so if it is October 6th 2014 and you want an advance on your 2015/16 salary, you are begrudgingly going to have to wait until July 1st 2015 to get so much as a piece of it. This rule alone is enough to show that the idea that Melo received a full 50% of the full life of the contract up front is false.

There is, however, a reason the story exists, for the 50% threshold comes from somewhere. What players earning more than the minimum can do is receive an amount for up to 50% of their annual base salary prior to the November 15th of that season. In practical terms, what that means is if you have a $12 million salary in one season, you can receive up to $6 million of it before November 15th, only 25% of which can be before October 1st. [Fro minimum salary players, change the 50% limit to a mere 7.5%.] When considering the the previous provision that no salary in future seasons can be advanced, we are now looking at a situation whereby the most a player can receive immediately upon signing a deal is 25% of the first year base salary. And that is considerably less than 50% of the whole shaboodle.

This, then, is what Carmelo did, and therein lies the confusion as to what that 50% designation means. He did not get 50% of his contract up front. He merely will receive some of it earlier than it could have been, in a series of advances stretching throughout the life of the contract.

This is not all that common, but is not unprecedent or rare. Many players – especially rookies on rookie scale contracts who almost always get at least something – have some money advanced to them, and some even have the full 50% designated in this way. As has been cited alongside the Melo story, his team mate J.R. Smith also has this full 50% advance stipulated in his contract, but so do others, including Pau Gasol’s new deal with Chicago, while Cleveland gave 50% advances to all three of LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Mike Miller this summer. Chris Bosh’s new contract with Miami calls for a highly comparable 40% advance, should we wish to keep naming names. Of all the new contracts handed out this offseason, approximately 50 call for some sort of advance, and while some of those advances are a mere $50,000 or so, some are as big as it gets.

[It is possible that Melo did indeed get his $62 million in advance from a bank or private lender, I suppose. But that is not what was being discussed here, and certainly not what was reported. If this is true, this is coincidental.]

So no, Carmelo did not receive $62,032,340 of his contract up front. At most, he received $5,614,600. We generally do not talk about NBA player payment schedules because, unless you directly pay or receive the checks yourself, they do not matter significantly from the point of view of roster management. However, if we are to do it, we must do so properly.

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8/16/2014  8:46 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Coon said Kobe was able to get 80% of his season salary in advance.

We know Kobe loves his money too

He's the one who's been mentoring Melo over the yrs


I select to receive 19% of my salary every year in one payment. It is the max allowed under my contract. Is that because I love money?

apparently you need the money. melo clearly does not.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/16/2014  9:52 AM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Coon said Kobe was able to get 80% of his season salary in advance.

We know Kobe loves his money too

He's the one who's been mentoring Melo over the yrs


I select to receive 19% of my salary every year in one payment. It is the max allowed under my contract. Is that because I love money?

apparently you need the money. melo clearly does not.

everyone needs as much money as possible, it's nonsense to say he doesn't need it

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8/16/2014  9:59 AM
If Melo comes in and really maximizes his talent in this system or as I like to say he becomes TriMelo™ as opposed to ISO Melo, then it's gonna be one super fun season. It is a much better style of play when Melo is going quick and playing within the flow of the offense. The rest of the team being in that same mode would be awesome.
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8/16/2014  11:02 AM
What's this? And anti Melo thread with the same characters pretending to know Melos secret agenda? Hard to believe! No matter where you see donkeys the heehaw is always the same. Idiots unite!
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8/16/2014  11:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/16/2014  11:16 AM
He had leverage to his favor and CA greatly utilized it
CAA did their job and they are a great power that is part of this orginization, hollywood, and the underground soceity
Even with being a high tax paying team, with the no trade clause, and the cash up front, it greatly makes up for the difference, along with the percs of playing in NYC

DK, at the very least appreciate that CA is taking this time off in the off season to come in to possibly the best shape of his entire career, one of the traits that you have consistently brought up as one of his negatives
This shows he is at least serious about WINNING and WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGES, likely to extend his career like Kobe did when he toned down, instead of being a Eddy Curry after signing a huge deal

The other being not being able to play in a system that Derek Fisher/Phil Jackson are trying to change with a SYSTEM and "Building a Winning Culture"
They have both said before CA that this team will be playing in a SYSTEM FIRST, with or without CA, though preferred with...
So please, stop with the things that we have no control over, changes are being made, and at the very least, give it a wait and see approach with a possible 2years to see where we are heading

CA did what was best for him and his family and with his contract is set up, he is here to stay unless he forces his way out
So for the posters that cannot accept this, just move on, no point in creating this negative energy and initiating a chain reaction of attacking/defending different opinions that will never be accepted/understood by other posters

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8/16/2014  11:12 AM
fishmike wrote:What's this? And anti Melo thread with the same characters pretending to know Melos secret agenda? Hard to believe! No matter where you see donkeys the heehaw is always the same. Idiots unite!
A bit of irresponsible reporting on Herring's part and the press/fans have run wild with this. Herring addended his original article but probably should have done more. Berman reported Melo was taking half of his deal up front hours after Herring addended the original article.
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8/16/2014  11:40 AM
RonRon wrote:He had leverage to his favor and CA greatly utilized it
CAA did their job and they are a great power that is part of this orginization, hollywood, and the underground soceity
Even with being a high tax paying team, with the no trade clause, and the cash up front, it greatly makes up for the difference, along with the percs of playing in NYC

DK, at the very least appreciate that CA is taking this time off in the off season to come in to possibly the best shape of his entire career, one of the traits that you have consistently brought up as one of his negatives
This shows he is at least serious about WINNING and WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGES, likely to extend his career like Kobe did when he toned down, instead of being a Eddy Curry after signing a huge deal

The other being not being able to play in a system that Derek Fisher/Phil Jackson are trying to change with a SYSTEM and "Building a Winning Culture"
They have both said before CA that this team will be playing in a SYSTEM FIRST, with or without CA, though preferred with...
So please, stop with the things that we have no control over, changes are being made, and at the very least, give it a wait and see approach with a possible 2years to see where we are heading

CA did what was best for him and his family and with his contract is set up, he is here to stay unless he forces his way out
So for the posters that cannot accept this, just move on, no point in creating this negative energy and initiating a chain reaction of attacking/defending different opinions that will never be accepted/understood by other posters

i have already stated my pleasure at this several times but in another thread, the one with his knee wrapped in ice but looking quite slender. i will state it again now: this is great news. that said, it only highlights my accusation of his not being devoted to conditioning for too much of his career. better late than never... i guess

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8/16/2014  12:15 PM
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:He had leverage to his favor and CA greatly utilized it
CAA did their job and they are a great power that is part of this orginization, hollywood, and the underground soceity
Even with being a high tax paying team, with the no trade clause, and the cash up front, it greatly makes up for the difference, along with the percs of playing in NYC

DK, at the very least appreciate that CA is taking this time off in the off season to come in to possibly the best shape of his entire career, one of the traits that you have consistently brought up as one of his negatives
This shows he is at least serious about WINNING and WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGES, likely to extend his career like Kobe did when he toned down, instead of being a Eddy Curry after signing a huge deal

The other being not being able to play in a system that Derek Fisher/Phil Jackson are trying to change with a SYSTEM and "Building a Winning Culture"
They have both said before CA that this team will be playing in a SYSTEM FIRST, with or without CA, though preferred with...
So please, stop with the things that we have no control over, changes are being made, and at the very least, give it a wait and see approach with a possible 2years to see where we are heading

CA did what was best for him and his family and with his contract is set up, he is here to stay unless he forces his way out
So for the posters that cannot accept this, just move on, no point in creating this negative energy and initiating a chain reaction of attacking/defending different opinions that will never be accepted/understood by other posters

i have already stated my pleasure at this several times but in another thread, the one with his knee wrapped in ice but looking quite slender. i will state it again now: this is great news. that said, it only highlights my accusation of his not being devoted to conditioning for too much of his career. better late than never... i guess

Melo has had a personal trainer for years and I don't know if it's been proven that Melo hasn't kept himself in great shape. there are different goals for different reasons. Sometimes a player is trying to increase his power and I think when Melo was looking to play bully ball he trained for that purpose and now he's changing up to be more of a real 3 and to be active in a motion offense.

In the end this is about this season and not the past. This team is under new management and they intend to play a totally different way than we saw this team playing in past years. It should be a very interesting and hopefully exciting style of play.

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8/16/2014  12:23 PM
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:He had leverage to his favor and CA greatly utilized it
CAA did their job and they are a great power that is part of this orginization, hollywood, and the underground soceity
Even with being a high tax paying team, with the no trade clause, and the cash up front, it greatly makes up for the difference, along with the percs of playing in NYC

DK, at the very least appreciate that CA is taking this time off in the off season to come in to possibly the best shape of his entire career, one of the traits that you have consistently brought up as one of his negatives
This shows he is at least serious about WINNING and WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGES, likely to extend his career like Kobe did when he toned down, instead of being a Eddy Curry after signing a huge deal

The other being not being able to play in a system that Derek Fisher/Phil Jackson are trying to change with a SYSTEM and "Building a Winning Culture"
They have both said before CA that this team will be playing in a SYSTEM FIRST, with or without CA, though preferred with...
So please, stop with the things that we have no control over, changes are being made, and at the very least, give it a wait and see approach with a possible 2years to see where we are heading

CA did what was best for him and his family and with his contract is set up, he is here to stay unless he forces his way out
So for the posters that cannot accept this, just move on, no point in creating this negative energy and initiating a chain reaction of attacking/defending different opinions that will never be accepted/understood by other posters

i have already stated my pleasure at this several times but in another thread, the one with his knee wrapped in ice but looking quite slender. i will state it again now: this is great news. that said, it only highlights my accusation of his not being devoted to conditioning for too much of his career. better late than never... i guess

He plumpened up and was out of shape his second year in the league- he became a bit more focused on getting in shape the 3rd year, then let it slide again. However the past two seasons here he has taken his conditioning seriously- this is looking like the third season in a row he will have done some serious conditioning work in the offseason. So I agree that most of his career he didn't take conditioning seriously, but I would say the past 3 years he has.

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8/16/2014  2:51 PM
Also he doesn't have the same genetics as lebron or Dwight howard....or me (lol).

He will always look out of shape compared to those guys or athletes that are ripped.

I've seen guys with his build loose weight and they look sick. He needs extra weight training than the normal athlete for the common fan to see results. For me his lack of high conditioning shows up in the 4th quarter or game tying situations. Last year he was terrible. 4th quarter he elects to shoot vs drive and get to the line. His best quarter was the 1st and usually the 4th is his worst. That's how you measure his conditioning.

His weight lost will help him finish games next season and minimize injuries.

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blkexec wrote:Also he doesn't have the same genetics as lebron or Dwight howard....or me (lol).

He will always look out of shape compared to those guys or athletes that are ripped.

I've seen guys with his build loose weight and they look sick. He needs extra weight training than the normal athlete for the common fan to see results. For me his lack of high conditioning shows up in the 4th quarter or game tying situations. Last year he was terrible. 4th quarter he elects to shoot vs drive and get to the line. His best quarter was the 1st and usually the 4th is his worst. That's how you measure his conditioning.

His weight lost will help him finish games next season and minimize injuries.

the issue is he should never have bulked up out of college, and instead worked towards being a pure small forward. college the players are smaller and he developed bad habits, ie bullyball, without looking ahead to the nba where everyone is bigger, stronger, faster, better.

he has always been a tweener, and perhaps a positive corollary to instituting this offense is that it forces him out of tweenerdom.

these numbers should be his goal this season:

16 fga
23 ppg
7 rpg
5 apg
59%TS

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/16/2014  6:00 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Coon said Kobe was able to get 80% of his season salary in advance.

We know Kobe loves his money too

He's the one who's been mentoring Melo over the yrs


I select to receive 19% of my salary every year in one payment. It is the max allowed under my contract. Is that because I love money?

apparently you need the money. melo clearly does not.


The article did say it was "rare" for players to ask for max advances correct?

Apparently for Melo money is a high priority

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