nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:knickscity wrote:So Felton and Woodson was the reasons for the failure last year? Gotcha. yet in another thread we shouldnt forget the team went 16-7 to close out the season. we shouldnt forget the lineups where Bargnani excelled at center. We shouldnt even forget the 54 win season.All of that was in part by Felton, because that 54 win team looked like trash while felton was injured and ultimately Woodson because he was the coach.
Lets face the truth, everybody sucked, but when everybody played well the team had a better chance to win.
Yet another person who just can't see the point. You're looking at the results and only pointing out what happened after the fact. The point i'm making is what the root cause of the major problems were. As i've said and tried to make crystal clear, it started with Dolan messing with the team. He screwed Woody by messing with his staff and firing Grunwald. Also making promises to JR that basically wouldn't allow the team to make sound BB decisions. For one thing JR should not have been starting when he clearly wasn't ready to do that and hadn't earned it. Chris Smith should never have been signed. That stuff is on Dolan. Then you have Woody who Dolan totally messed up. Woody was unable to function as a confident Coach should. It effected all of his decisions and caused problems with his players. Woody was second guessing himself on some things and stubbornly sticking with things that made no sense. He wasn't that amazing to begin with so this just made him worse.
Felton was a huge key our success as you pointed out. When he played well the team was so much better, but how often did he play well? See you haven't made some deep philosophical point by saying "everybody sucked, but when everybody played well the team had a better chance to win." All you did was make my point that most fans who are down on the Knicks haven't really tried to figure out what the real cause of the teams problems were. You're looking at the results and making your diagnosis. My point is that Dolan, Woody and Felton was the root cause of the problems and that Phil, Fish and Jose can give this team the kind of solid leadership they need to succeed. Put simply who do you think has a better reputation for leadership, Dolan, Woody and Felton or Phil, Fish and Jose?
If you can't see which trio are the clear winners then I can't help you.
Didn't see Dolan pics in your original post.
You're now backpedaling on the moon and moonwalking on the earth simultaneously
The root cause of our problems were a multitude of things.
There was no singular, dual, or trinity of blame
It's clear to me that you don't read what I write. I mentioned Dolan in my very 1st post. Just didn't put his picture in there.
nixluva wrote:Woody was undermined by Dolan and then lost any semblance of confidence in his decision making. He was never very good but once he lost confidence in himself he was DONE>... Phil, Fish and Jose will prove to be a huge improvement over Dolan, Woody and Felton. If you can't see the difference then God help you. The presence of Phil, Fish and Jose will make everyone better and that's one reason for hope.
So my point has been consistent from the very start. I think you and others just can't understand what i'm saying. It seems you have a mental block that makes it impossible for you to see my point. YES everyone played bad. There were many players who had a hand in the 37 win season. That's not the key issue tho. My point as i've restated and made analogies to try and make it easier to understand is that the SOURCE, ROOT CAUSE and MAIN CULPRITS in making things as bad as they were were Dolan, Woody and Felton. Their lack of leadership, sound decision making and on court performance had an impact on the entire team. When you get sound leadership from the top it transcend every facet of your team.
I'll try another analogy to see if this helps:
You see a sick person and say his problem is that he's got a fever, vomiting and is weak and you say that's what is wrong with him, but you don't see that it's the Virus he has that is the root cause of all those symptoms. Gotta get rid of the Virus to really solve the problem and not just give him bottles of Robitussin.
Phil, Fish and Jose >>>>>>>>>>> Dolan, Woody and Felton. Dolan, Woody and Felton don't have the same leadership pedigree as Phil, Fish and Jose. All three are known to be great leaders of men. My point is that this will have a huge impact on what the rest of the players on the team do. From President to Head Coach to PG and Floor General our leadership team is vastly superior to what we had last year. I can barely imagine a worse triumvirate of supposed leaders than Dolan, Woody and Felton. If that is not clear enough I can't see a way to help you understand.
Should have had more pics of others in your OP, your shortcoming not ours.
We have many main culprits and root causes
Leadership should come from some of your highest paid players.
You've managed to absolve them as root causes
As knickcity stated//// Dolan, Felton, and Woody forgot how to do all those things after winning 54gms?
The season of stock transposing to this season correct
You're placing blame at the feet of whom you choose
Your analogy needs some TLC.
Maybe we can get to the root cause, source, cuplrit of it's problem
The sick person very well may have contacted the virus by/////
what they ate, who they were around, where they lived, open wounds, allergic reactions etc etc
Quarantining, Isolating, Removal of threats are equally important to the health recovery process
If those things haven't been addressed it doesn't matter what's prescribed or procedures performed for virus treatment
It will resurface again.
Conversely if all those things were addressed and the virus hasn't been, sick patient remains
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