nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I get wanting JR gone, but he's a very good player. If Fisher can get from him what Woody did two years ago he will help a lot. These guys are pretty good motivaters

I disagree with this. Jr needs to go back to being a role player unless Phisher can reach him in a way no other coach has. I like him as a starter without the ball in his hands and the duty of being the number one option on the floor. Let him play the role THjr did in the summer except Jr can rebound,pass, and defend at a higher level. Jr is a fantastic catch and shoot player all his career so the triangle should be a fit but I just hope the cutting will help him attack the basket more.

Woody enable him and gave him too much freedom.

I dont really mean expanding JR's role, rather I mean keeping him focused. Yes he was the #2 scorer on that 54 win team, but what I really mean is just a smart JR for 30 mimutes a night. He's a willing defender, passer and obvious scorer. When he's playing in a team concept he's really really good in pretty much every way. He's a very versatile player. When things arent going well he tends to revert to trying to chuck us back into games, and in turn he chucks us out of them.

If JR (god this kinda hurts) is playing in the system he's the 2nd best player on this team. We have seen him sustain that for a year under woody. Unfortunatly he didnt sustain it in the playoffs and that Pacer's series was a travesty. If there is a guy Fish needs to take under his wing and keep centered its JR. We will see, but there is huge room for improvement from this player from last year to this. How to get it from him is the question. Agree?

IMO it's all about having a system that prescribes a very specific role. Woody's problem is that he left too much up to the players themselves and that is a recipe for disaster. You want these players to stick to the script. The Triangle is very much a script for how to play the game properly. The very specific moves and decisions that players make actually make the game easier for players. In the Triangle you have clear decisions to make. This will make Smith a better and more predictable player. Rather than having him pound the ball in to the ground when he gets it. There will be more catch and shoot or cut and finish type plays by the very nature of the offense.

This video breaks down the offense and how players have to execute for it to work. This is what Fish will be drilling over and over with our players to get them to have the right spacing, footwork, timing and decision making.

I worry the triangle is more open for the players - they have to make a read, then a decision based on what they see the defense doing. Can JR execute that? I'm worried, it might be too much to expect from him.

Jose Calderon
Iman Shumpert
Carmelo Anthony
Quincy Acy
Amar'e Stoudemire

Then my bench:
Shane Larkin
JR Smith
Tim Hardaway
Cole Aldrich

And yes, I'd agree that is one too many G's to try to rotate in - so, yes, I'd love to see Shumpert or JR get moved.

franco12 wrote:I'd go with this starting line up:

Jose Calderon
Iman Shumpert
Carmelo Anthony
Quincy Acy
Amar'e Stoudemire

Then my bench:
Shane Larkin
JR Smith
Tim Hardaway
Cole Aldrich

And yes, I'd agree that is one too many G's to try to rotate in - so, yes, I'd love to see Shumpert or JR get moved.

No bargs or Jason smith?

I'd like to see a serious group of...

Jose Calderon
JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony
Amar'e Stoudemire (ala horace grant)
Dalembert

Then my bench:
Tim Hardaway
Iman Shumpert
Cleanathony early
Bargnani
Jason smith
Cole Aldrich

I think Jason Smith is here to play ahead of Dalembert and Aldrich. I just get the impression that Dalembert will be coming off the bench. He's only been playing about 20 mpg. Jason and Cole are both able to play much more minutes at this point. They have younger, fresher legs and I can see Fish wanting to go that way.

I always feel that bargs is a similar player to gasol and can give us that same amount of euro style that the triangle used in la.

Bargs
Smith
Melo
Jr
Calderone

Bench:
Amare
Thjr
Shump
Cleanthony
Dalembart/Aldrich

I really don't want to see melo at the 4 anymore. That really only worked in isolation plays. In the free flowing system he's def nj/Kobe. Even with Kobe lists as a 2 he played the 3 in the triangle.

I would rather he just be a durantula and score with the game coming to him as supposed to the "bully ball" that was a disaster last year.

He's a 3. Bargs is a stretch 4.