F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

Half the roster filled with youth, are you kidding me?? was the spurs roster half way filled with yutes, what about miami, dallas, boston, lakers, houston.

You need 1 or 2 quality youngins in your rotation, thats it, anymore and your a first round exit at best.

No im not kidding, the Knicks have to that many so they can find the tony Parker , Ginobli, and Duncan yes the Spurs have them now but where the hell do you think they came from. Miami is a unique situation where they landed the best player in the NBA but they also already had Wade who was top 5 at the time, Lebron can make every situation work but he isnt on the Knicks roster and he never will be. Dallas Nowitzi, Boston Pierce, Lakers Kobe. In case you havent noticed all those teams developed at least 1 superstar themselves.

Do Knick fans really think Marc Gasol, Caledron and Melo making 53 million out of 66 million dollar projected cap is going to win an NBA title? Unless the Knicks hit on a young star making next to nothing they arent competing for championships they will be competing for 5 seeds

Why do u think the Cavs situation was so attractive for Lebron? They will have room for another max player plus multiple high pick players on rookie deals. They will have a an All Star core and the Bird rights of #1 picks waiting in the wings

Free agents want to play with other stars but they also want to get paid. During Melo's tenure the Knicks have only had the 3.6 exception to work with. Next offseason will be the first that the Knicks have a star and cap space. I don't think players consider home grown talent as a criteria for where they choose to go. I think they just want to play with another really good player. The Knicks have to hope that they can be like the teams you mentioned that had a star and were able to acquire a second and in some cases a third. In regards to having half the roster with youth I don't think that translates to success. Yes you have to develop youth and pick smart but the really good teams are able to get really good vets on value contracts because those guys want to compete for a championship. The Knicks unless Melo misses all of next year with an injury are not going to luck into a situation like the spurs did and they don't have the picks to get anything more than guys that might make the rotation.

It may depend on the star
It may depend on the money
It may depend on the roster
It may depend on ability to win
It may depend on all of the above

The Lakers, Heat, Rockets didn't really capitalize to the degree you'd think they could for various reasons

The Mavs, Hornets, Bulls, Pelicans did fairly decent and a couple teams here would have been thought of as not prime destinations

Some players may end up being turned off by guys like Kobe and Melo but we'll see soon enough.

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

so as Phil has only added young guys, had a good draft, has a #1 next year and with no additional moves a minimum of $20mm plus in cap space you must be thrilled.

For this year not so much.

If we take a look around the league there are teams in greater positions to strike much the same

Not many are interested in a stat padding season from a couple players, while we plummet towards the basement only landing on the 4th step of 18.

I want to be in the basement, on the walls, collecting mold if we're going to lose(extremely likely)

I hear the Sixers are a great team to root for if you're the tanking type.

Heat go from most hated team on the planet to one some are now rooting to win it all.

I doubt even EvilMooby could manage that.

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

exactly, you need multiple young and most of all some of them need to be blue chip talent... because most likely to find that diamond in the rough you need a lot of young talent coming through your roster unless you are just lucky...

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

so as Phil has only added young guys, had a good draft, has a #1 next year and with no additional moves a minimum of $20mm plus in cap space you must be thrilled.

For this year not so much.

If we take a look around the league there are teams in greater positions to strike much the same

Not many are interested in a stat padding season from a couple players, while we plummet towards the basement only landing on the 4th step of 18.

I want to be in the basement, on the walls, collecting mold if we're going to lose(extremely likely)

based on what? Last year? Strikes me as extremely unlikely. Sucking isnt the way to attract talent.

It's not about what really either of us want but reality.

We're not that good

The whole league got better, except maybe Miami and Indy. Being a 33-37 win team will not produce a true end goal.

We have to really suck or be surprisingly good

whole league got better? Except the Knicks? So you have us losing MORE games than last year?

Not everyone will be "suprised" if the Knicks are pretty good next year.

lets just say we got a little better, but the teams in the east, quite a few teams got better as well and some quite a bit better.. so the knicks can be better than last year and still win less games... how crazy is that?

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

Half the roster filled with youth, are you kidding me?? was the spurs roster half way filled with yutes, what about miami, dallas, boston, lakers, houston.

You need 1 or 2 quality youngins in your rotation, thats it, anymore and your a first round exit at best.

No im not kidding, the Knicks have to that many so they can find the tony Parker , Ginobli, and Duncan yes the Spurs have them now but where the hell do you think they came from. Miami is a unique situation where they landed the best player in the NBA but they also already had Wade who was top 5 at the time, Lebron can make every situation work but he isnt on the Knicks roster and he never will be. Dallas Nowitzi, Boston Pierce, Lakers Kobe. In case you havent noticed all those teams developed at least 1 superstar themselves.

Do Knick fans really think Marc Gasol, Caledron and Melo making 53 million out of 66 million dollar projected cap is going to win an NBA title? Unless the Knicks hit on a young star making next to nothing they arent competing for championships they will be competing for 5 seeds

Why do u think the Cavs situation was so attractive for Lebron? They will have room for another max player plus multiple high pick players on rookie deals. They will have a an All Star core and the Bird rights of #1 picks waiting in the wings

Free agents want to play with other stars but they also want to get paid. During Melo's tenure the Knicks have only had the 3.6 exception to work with. Next offseason will be the first that the Knicks have a star and cap space. I don't think players consider home grown talent as a criteria for where they choose to go. I think they just want to play with another really good player. The Knicks have to hope that they can be like the teams you mentioned that had a star and were able to acquire a second and in some cases a third. In regards to having half the roster with youth I don't think that translates to success. Yes you have to develop youth and pick smart but the really good teams are able to get really good vets on value contracts because those guys want to compete for a championship. The Knicks unless Melo misses all of next year with an injury are not going to luck into a situation like the spurs did and they don't have the picks to get anything more than guys that might make the rotation.

It may depend on the star
It may depend on the money
It may depend on the roster
It may depend on ability to win
It may depend on all of the above

The Lakers, Heat, Rockets didn't really capitalize to the degree you'd think they could for various reasons

The Mavs, Hornets, Bulls, Pelicans did fairly decent and a couple teams here would have been thought of as not prime destinations

Some players may end up being turned off by guys like Kobe and Melo but we'll see soon enough.

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

exactly, you need multiple young and most of all some of them need to be blue chip talent... because most likely to find that diamond in the rough you need a lot of young talent coming through your roster unless you are just lucky...

Thats my point with where the Knicks are getting their young talent they will most likely need to go through more bodies to find a blu chip player. I dont understand how some posters can't grasp the idea of how drafted players can bolster your roster, look at the Pacers

yea, the pacers, bulls, Charlotte hornets, Blazers, wizards, warriors, okc etc...... the start of those teams success began with a young core that they drafted, or draft picks they used to acquire other young talent..

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

Half the roster filled with youth, are you kidding me?? was the spurs roster half way filled with yutes, what about miami, dallas, boston, lakers, houston.

You need 1 or 2 quality youngins in your rotation, thats it, anymore and your a first round exit at best.

No im not kidding, the Knicks have to that many so they can find the tony Parker , Ginobli, and Duncan yes the Spurs have them now but where the hell do you think they came from. Miami is a unique situation where they landed the best player in the NBA but they also already had Wade who was top 5 at the time, Lebron can make every situation work but he isnt on the Knicks roster and he never will be. Dallas Nowitzi, Boston Pierce, Lakers Kobe. In case you havent noticed all those teams developed at least 1 superstar themselves.

Do Knick fans really think Marc Gasol, Caledron and Melo making 53 million out of 66 million dollar projected cap is going to win an NBA title? Unless the Knicks hit on a young star making next to nothing they arent competing for championships they will be competing for 5 seeds

Why do u think the Cavs situation was so attractive for Lebron? They will have room for another max player plus multiple high pick players on rookie deals. They will have a an All Star core and the Bird rights of #1 picks waiting in the wings

Free agents want to play with other stars but they also want to get paid. During Melo's tenure the Knicks have only had the 3.6 exception to work with. Next offseason will be the first that the Knicks have a star and cap space. I don't think players consider home grown talent as a criteria for where they choose to go. I think they just want to play with another really good player. The Knicks have to hope that they can be like the teams you mentioned that had a star and were able to acquire a second and in some cases a third. In regards to having half the roster with youth I don't think that translates to success. Yes you have to develop youth and pick smart but the really good teams are able to get really good vets on value contracts because those guys want to compete for a championship. The Knicks unless Melo misses all of next year with an injury are not going to luck into a situation like the spurs did and they don't have the picks to get anything more than guys that might make the rotation.

It may depend on the star
It may depend on the money
It may depend on the roster
It may depend on ability to win
It may depend on all of the above

The Lakers, Heat, Rockets didn't really capitalize to the degree you'd think they could for various reasons

The Mavs, Hornets, Bulls, Pelicans did fairly decent and a couple teams here would have been thought of as not prime destinations

Some players may end up being turned off by guys like Kobe and Melo but we'll see soon enough.

Agree. Guys we know that wanted to play with Melo include, Wade, LBJ, Paul, Rondo, Noah (and possibly Rose), Kobe, D12, and Dirk. Hopefully after a year of Phil running things and Fisher coaching the perks of playing in ny will not just be to play with Melo but also to be a part of a winning organization.

there's a big difference between melo whoring himself on the open market versus a great player wanting to come to new york and join the melknicks.

BINGO!!

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:they are going to be really, good..

but I also think charlotte adding Lance is going to be good as well,

The hawks, bulls, the pacers will still be a factor...

we are playing catch up... I have no problem with that if we were doing so with young talent with upside, picks and cap space..

The east as a whole is gearing up..

It is imperative that we keep half the roster with youth, its the only way we have a chance. We have to hit big on at least 1 kid and hope we can get solid help out of 2 or 3 more. Only way to balance out Car-Money

Half the roster filled with youth, are you kidding me?? was the spurs roster half way filled with yutes, what about miami, dallas, boston, lakers, houston.

You need 1 or 2 quality youngins in your rotation, thats it, anymore and your a first round exit at best.

No im not kidding, the Knicks have to that many so they can find the tony Parker , Ginobli, and Duncan yes the Spurs have them now but where the hell do you think they came from. Miami is a unique situation where they landed the best player in the NBA but they also already had Wade who was top 5 at the time, Lebron can make every situation work but he isnt on the Knicks roster and he never will be. Dallas Nowitzi, Boston Pierce, Lakers Kobe. In case you havent noticed all those teams developed at least 1 superstar themselves.

Do Knick fans really think Marc Gasol, Caledron and Melo making 53 million out of 66 million dollar projected cap is going to win an NBA title? Unless the Knicks hit on a young star making next to nothing they arent competing for championships they will be competing for 5 seeds

Why do u think the Cavs situation was so attractive for Lebron? They will have room for another max player plus multiple high pick players on rookie deals. They will have a an All Star core and the Bird rights of #1 picks waiting in the wings

Free agents want to play with other stars but they also want to get paid. During Melo's tenure the Knicks have only had the 3.6 exception to work with. Next offseason will be the first that the Knicks have a star and cap space. I don't think players consider home grown talent as a criteria for where they choose to go. I think they just want to play with another really good player. The Knicks have to hope that they can be like the teams you mentioned that had a star and were able to acquire a second and in some cases a third. In regards to having half the roster with youth I don't think that translates to success. Yes you have to develop youth and pick smart but the really good teams are able to get really good vets on value contracts because those guys want to compete for a championship. The Knicks unless Melo misses all of next year with an injury are not going to luck into a situation like the spurs did and they don't have the picks to get anything more than guys that might make the rotation.

It may depend on the star
It may depend on the money
It may depend on the roster
It may depend on ability to win
It may depend on all of the above

The Lakers, Heat, Rockets didn't really capitalize to the degree you'd think they could for various reasons

The Mavs, Hornets, Bulls, Pelicans did fairly decent and a couple teams here would have been thought of as not prime destinations

Some players may end up being turned off by guys like Kobe and Melo but we'll see soon enough.

Agree. Guys we know that wanted to play with Melo include, Wade, LBJ, Paul, Rondo, Noah (and possibly Rose), Kobe, D12, and Dirk. Hopefully after a year of Phil running things and Fisher coaching the perks of playing in ny will not just be to play with Melo but also to be a part of a winning organization.

Pau Gasol raises an eyebrow to this post who took less to play in Chicago.

Ran from Kobe, right pass Melo stopped where Noah and Rose are located

As does

Parsons-Dallas/Dirk adored him near equal offer, $12mil less than Melo
Bosh-Houston adored him equally offered max

Lebron-wouldn't allow us to talk to his agent Rich Paul
Rondo-started recruiting Love early who isn't free

Love-publicly pleading for a trade to Cleveland or GSW when he could wait to become a free agent to play here
Paul-had 2 chances to force a trade here like Melo and passed

Not quite sure I can see what you're getting at.

EDIT: I should add Chicago, Houston, Dallas were the list of teams Melo chose. The only team who came in hot pursuit late were the Lakers