knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:It took philjax a few weeks to do what knicks was not able to do for last 15 years--- bring in a real point guard.

Dantoni is cringing in his grave

This is like a Derek Harper, doc rivers pick up, PG's that are good, but we should have gotten 4 yrs ago

In a way, but just remember that in the Triangle you really don't need a great PG. You need a guard that can pass, shoot and make smart decisions. IF they can cover for his lack of D, Calderon will be great for this team.
We can always go big for defense with Shump at PG since he won't have to do much actual PG stuff.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:It took philjax a few weeks to do what knicks was not able to do for last 15 years--- bring in a real point guard.

Dantoni is cringing in his grave

This is like a Derek Harper, doc rivers pick up, PG's that are good, but we should have gotten 4 yrs ago

In a way, but just remember that in the Triangle you really don't need a great PG. You need a guard that can pass, shoot and make smart decisions. IF they can cover for his lack of D, Calderon will be great for this team.
We can always go big for defense with Shump at PG since he won't have to do much actual PG stuff.

You are correct, however, we don't have the lock down defenders and efficiency of the 2 TOP WING's in the entire NBA
IF we have Durant/Lebron playing that role, we would still be missing Kukoc/Rodman and the role players after shouldn't be hard to fill, probably Brian Williams/Ron Harper/Steve Kerr were the more talented role players that are after them that played a good amount of years

Btw,
Derek Harper was a Knick
Ron Harper was on the Bulls and Lakers

Jmpasq wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:Aldrich-- Dalembert is the past
Bargnani-- he is efficient from midrange and has to be a better passer than Stat
Shouldergate <meh-lo>
Calderon
Whoever is the best defender among SG

I'm surprised you even think Melo should start, haha.

i don't like his game and he is disgustingly overpaid but the triangle is his opportunity to be more than a zero-sum jayvee player come playoff time and it's always about the playoffs.

I wonder if Fisher will have the guts to sit him if he refuses to run the offense properly

PG- Calderon
SG- Smith
SF- Melo
PF- Amar'e
C- Dalembert

Rotation:

G/F-- Shumpert
SG--- Hardaway Jr.
PF/C- Bargnani
PG--- Pablo
SF--- Cleanthony
PF/C- Smith
PG- Larkin

The IR:

C-- Aldrich
PF- Tyler
SG- Ellington

Notes:

•Aldrich could have the advantage over Smith because of his Summer League work on the triangle.

•Guard is definitely crowded, especially with guys that should get minutes. I think the danger zone is between Smith and Shumpert. Ellington could be dealt, but it wont change the minutes glut at SG. I wonder if Fish would consider Shumpert at PG. If so, Aldrich would move to the active roster.

•If a guard is traded, would expect a backup SF coming back, to release some pressure on Cleanthony, who still should be the primary backup.

•Frontcourt rotation will be interesting as no player seems to be suited for 30+ mins.

jrodmc wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Starting Lineup:

PG- Calderon
SG- Smith
SF- Melo
PF- Amar'e
C- Dalembert

Rotation:

G/F-- Shumpert
SG--- Hardaway Jr.
PF/C- Bargnani
PG--- Pablo
SF--- Cleanthony
PF/C- Smith
PG- Larkin

The IR:

C-- Aldrich
PF- Tyler
SG- Ellington

Notes:

•Aldrich could have the advantage over Smith because of his Summer League work on the triangle.

•Guard is definitely crowded, especially with guys that should get minutes. I think the danger zone is between Smith and Shumpert. Ellington could be dealt, but it wont change the minutes glut at SG. I wonder if Fish would consider Shumpert at PG. If so, Aldrich would move to the active roster.

•If a guard is traded, would expect a backup SF coming back, to release some pressure on Cleanthony, who still should be the primary backup.

•Frontcourt rotation will be interesting as no player seems to be suited for 30+ mins.

Aldrich on the IR and NotJRSmith isn't? How'd you figure that?

Chances are that Amare, Bargs and Pablo spend many games on the IR

mreinman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Starting Lineup:

PG- Calderon
SG- Smith
SF- Melo
PF- Amar'e
C- Dalembert

Rotation:

G/F-- Shumpert
SG--- Hardaway Jr.
PF/C- Bargnani
PG--- Pablo
SF--- Cleanthony
PF/C- Smith
PG- Larkin

The IR:

C-- Aldrich
PF- Tyler
SG- Ellington

Notes:

•Aldrich could have the advantage over Smith because of his Summer League work on the triangle.

•Guard is definitely crowded, especially with guys that should get minutes. I think the danger zone is between Smith and Shumpert. Ellington could be dealt, but it wont change the minutes glut at SG. I wonder if Fish would consider Shumpert at PG. If so, Aldrich would move to the active roster.

•If a guard is traded, would expect a backup SF coming back, to release some pressure on Cleanthony, who still should be the primary backup.

•Frontcourt rotation will be interesting as no player seems to be suited for 30+ mins.

Aldrich on the IR and NotJRSmith isn't? How'd you figure that?

Chances are that Amare, Bargs and Pablo spend many games on the IR

I doubt Pablo has visited a Dr for himself since he's been an adult. He seems like one of those guys that never gets a cold.

jrodmc wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Starting Lineup:

PG- Calderon
SG- Smith
SF- Melo
PF- Amar'e
C- Dalembert

Rotation:

G/F-- Shumpert
SG--- Hardaway Jr.
PF/C- Bargnani
PG--- Pablo
SF--- Cleanthony
PF/C- Smith
PG- Larkin

The IR:

C-- Aldrich
PF- Tyler
SG- Ellington

Notes:

•Aldrich could have the advantage over Smith because of his Summer League work on the triangle.

•Guard is definitely crowded, especially with guys that should get minutes. I think the danger zone is between Smith and Shumpert. Ellington could be dealt, but it wont change the minutes glut at SG. I wonder if Fish would consider Shumpert at PG. If so, Aldrich would move to the active roster.

•If a guard is traded, would expect a backup SF coming back, to release some pressure on Cleanthony, who still should be the primary backup.

•Frontcourt rotation will be interesting as no player seems to be suited for 30+ mins.

Aldrich on the IR and NotJRSmith isn't? How'd you figure that?

I put in bold the part where I suggest that could change. In one hand, you wonder why the Knicks would pay the MLE for a guy to be in the IR as opposed to a guy signed for the veteran's minimum. Smith is talented and is extremely active, one area that Phil has emphasized in interviews.

On the other hand, Aldrich shined in his Summer League debut and has the advantage of having already been in the "Summer League Training Camp" of Fisher. He is talented, young and as value. I could easily see him earning the spot on the active roster over JSmith, so this should be a storyline to follow in Training Camp and Pre-Season.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:Aldrich-- Dalembert is the past
Bargnani-- he is efficient from midrange and has to be a better passer than Stat
Shouldergate <meh-lo>
Calderon
Whoever is the best defender among SG

I'm surprised you even think Melo should start, haha.

He is like flees on a dog very annoying and cant go away. A simple question was asked about who will be your choice for the starting line up. Nothing else. If we win a championship with Melo and Melo gets the Mvp he would not give even the championship recognition because of his hate for Melo. For him its personal and borderline of being sick. He can't help himself thats why no one trust what he says.

Papabear wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:Aldrich-- Dalembert is the past
Bargnani-- he is efficient from midrange and has to be a better passer than Stat
Shouldergate <meh-lo>
Calderon
Whoever is the best defender among SG

I'm surprised you even think Melo should start, haha.

Papabear Says

He is like flees on a dog very annoying and cant go away. A simple question was asked about who will be your choice for the starting line up. Nothing else. If we win a championship with Melo and Melo gets the Mvp he would not give even the championship recognition because of his hate for Melo. For him its personal and borderline of being sick. He can't help himself thats why no one trust what he says.

it's "fleas," pops.

and i gave my lineup just like everyone else did LOL. aldrich over dalembert and bargnani (hold your nose and pray) over stoudemire.

but since you like to pile on after the whistle, i will assert this: <meh>lo's contract is ridiculous and disgusting. he is a pretty good scorer-- no argument there-- but close to a zero-sum player because he is inadequate as a defender.

maybe the triangle helps his game become more legit, especially as a ball over and occasional playmaker. but he'll never be the mvp of a title team. are you kidding me?

and then there's those shoulders....

I give shump an edge over smith because he is a great perimeter defender that could make up calderon's defensive mistakes. he has to shoot better obviously and I hope with a healthy summer he has been practicing his shot. I think he might get traded before the season though.

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:Aldrich-- Dalembert is the past
Bargnani-- he is efficient from midrange and has to be a better passer than Stat
Shouldergate <meh-lo>
Calderon
Whoever is the best defender among SG

I'm surprised you even think Melo should start, haha.

Papabear Says

He is like flees on a dog very annoying and cant go away. A simple question was asked about who will be your choice for the starting line up. Nothing else. If we win a championship with Melo and Melo gets the Mvp he would not give even the championship recognition because of his hate for Melo. For him its personal and borderline of being sick. He can't help himself thats why no one trust what he says.

it's "fleas," pops.

and i gave my lineup just like everyone else did LOL. aldrich over dalembert and bargnani (hold your nose and pray) over stoudemire.

but since you like to pile on after the whistle, i will assert this: <meh>lo's contract is ridiculous and disgusting. he is a pretty good scorer-- no argument there-- but close to a zero-sum player because he is inadequate as a defender.

maybe the triangle helps his game become more legit, especially as a ball over and occasional playmaker. but he'll never be the mvp of a title team. are you kidding me?

and then there's those shoulders....

Papabear Says

Man I feel sorry you. Thats all I can say.