mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

Can you show me an example where a player left 50 million on the table?

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

Can you show me an example where a player left 50 million on the table?

I can't think of one but that is a great question. The responses should be interesting.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

Can you show me an example where a player left 50 million on the table?

why would I need to do that as most players who are in that bracket went back to teams that were contenders or champs.... heck carmelo could have went to the rockets who are much better than we are and still got max dollars...

can you give me an example of a player where that was an option? It seems like players making that much are playing for teams that they have turned into winners.. so why leave?

you see it is about mindset.. winners put winning first.. so you rarely find them in position to have to leave 50 mil on the table...

Better question show me an example of where a player can leave a team and leave 25 mil on the table and the team he was leaving was better than the team he was going to.... I will give you a hint.. his initials are CA...

exactly-- why put the cart before the horse? the guy is not on the same level, but because he is being paid as such we now have to equate him with real winners? pretzel logic if ever there was.

take stock in your career vis a vis winning, look in the mirror, take a substantial paycut-- and proceed.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

Can you show me an example where a player left 50 million on the table?

I can't think of one but that is a great question. The responses should be interesting.

dirk took 16 million less the year over four years he won the finals and was finals mvp, if memory serves. and as the article had stated, dirk is a superior player to carmelo with far greater accomplishments.

ergo carmelo, being inferior and with a less-accomplished career, should have taken at least 30 million less over five years.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

Can you show me an example where a player left 50 million on the table?

I can't think of one but that is a great question. The responses should be interesting.

dirk took 16 million less the year over four years he won the finals and was finals mvp, if memory serves. and as the article had stated, dirk is a superior player to carmelo with far greater accomplishments.

ergo carmelo, being inferior and with a less-accomplished career, should have taken at least 30 million less over five years.

talk about pretzel logic

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:I read this earlier.. he was playing devils advocate a bit but in the end he is right. carmelo blew it twice.. when he forced his way to NY and not going to the bulls roster..

Although he correctly pointed out carmelo needs a 2011 mavs type of team, dirk was just a better player than carmelo and even that team came together under all the right circumstances...

If his only hope is getting that type of team, then he is chasing a unicorn... going with the bulls made so much sense.. but carmelo is looking for money.. not rings it seems..

So he should have gone to the Bulls for 73 million instead of resigning where he lives at 122?

C'mon, get real. I am sure you may have done this since for you its probably not about "the money" but the rest of us are taking the 122.

Would have been nice if he gave us a bigger discount though.

had I already made around 150 mil, I would have taken a lot less if I am all about winning and trust me.. I am all about winning...

but the rest of us are taking the 122.

and that is what separates the winners from "the rest"

Can you show me an example where a player left 50 million on the table?

I can't think of one but that is a great question. The responses should be interesting.

dirk took 16 million less the year over four years he won the finals and was finals mvp, if memory serves. and as the article had stated, dirk is a superior player to carmelo with far greater accomplishments.

ergo carmelo, being inferior and with a less-accomplished career, should have taken at least 30 million less over five years.

talk about pretzel logic

how so? I took the main premise or point of comparison in his article

1) dirk nowitzki, who the author acknowledged is the superior player to carmelo anthony, and you presumably agree with his assessment

then i took a historical event

2) dirk took 16 million less on a four year contract, the first year of which he won the finals mvp

then i put these two points together and concluded that if dirk can take 4 million off of 4 years then melo as the inferior to dirk can take 6 million off of five years.

ergo carmelo could have-- and should have-- taken 30 million less if he wanted to help build a winner here in new york.

at this point most of his most earnest admirers hoped that he would take closer to 20 million a year.

guess what 20 million times 5 equals?

the end

mreinman wrote:So you are not actually suggesting that he leave 50 million on the table but he just should not be in that position?

Houston would have been a smart move for him. Not sure what about Houston turned him off - maybe he just did not like the City or Lala/kids did not want Houston. I think that he wanted a S&T to chicago but it was not happening.

I do not get your last comment.

CA and the rest of them all want the money and all want to win.

first of all there was not 50 million to be left on the table... unless you think that after 4 years carmelo retires.. so we can all assume he would be signing another deal after 4 years..

what I was suggesting is to do whatever it takes to get in a winning situation... and when you do that you most often if ever will be faced with leaving a lot of money on the table.. a better question is.. what player has been faced with such a situation? making that kind of money?

Outside of adding another max level player, the rest of the team needs to be made up of lower cost talent. Phil is doing his best to make that happen. This is where the real rubber hits the road in terms of winning and being a title contender. Gotta make picks count and find diamonds in the rough out there. Do a great job developing that talent and then when you do add a max level player it all means something cuz you're team is full of worthy role players.

nixluva wrote:There really is no point to arguing over how much money Melo should've given up. People forget about Taxes and Manager fees. You really can't just look at the totals and ignore what his actual Net would be after all that. I could care less what he makes. I'm glad Melo is still here and that we have a chance to win with better leadership going forward.

Outside of adding another max level player, the rest of the team needs to be made up of lower cost talent. Phil is doing his best to make that happen. This is where the real rubber hits the road in terms of winning and being a title contender. Gotta make picks count and find diamonds in the rough out there. Do a great job developing that talent and then when you do add a max level player it all means something cuz you're team is full of worthy role players.

You are right. How could he leave $180k in taxes on $115m on the table