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Bucks want to dump Eryan Ilyasova badly
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Nalod
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7/14/2014  9:58 PM
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:We have a lot way too many SG's and JR Smith and Pablo adds up

has elyasova been dogging it lately? soviets are great at being crooked. but then the mighty melo needs a quality sub.

Soviet?

Really? Thats a political name given to the parties affiliated with the communist union.

I think you meant "Russian", but then the kid is TURKISH so we got two things here.

Your sarcasm either was lost or your Melo hate done has messed your mind up!

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7/15/2014  10:26 AM
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:We have a lot way too many SG's and JR Smith and Pablo adds up

has elyasova been dogging it lately? soviets are great at being crooked. but then the mighty melo needs a quality sub.

when he is healthy and playing right he is a heck of an all around player.. but what bothers me is how he has not been healthy or consistent the past few years.. not sure whats going on with him, but when he is playing well, he is a hell of a SF... would love to have him start here in NY if he could maintain the level he played on a few years ago..

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7/15/2014  10:28 AM
nixluva wrote:I've always liked Ilyasova. He's got a lot of talent and I think he needs a change of scenery.

maybe, but the change of scenery excuse, you have to be careful with. some players get lazy, the good players can play through adversity. I really like this dude, but the past couple of years have been odd for him.. if we could get him cheap.. would love to have him...

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7/15/2014  10:32 AM
Yea change of scenery rarely works. See Jerome James, eddy curry & of course the Great Bargnani. I say it works 15% of the time maybe less.
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7/15/2014  10:42 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea change of scenery rarely works. See Jerome James, eddy curry & of course the Great Bargnani. I say it works 15% of the time maybe less.

so why are you so sure that if the knicks get rid of shumpert he'll "flourish" elsewhere?

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7/15/2014  10:42 AM
never passes, doesnt create, not much on defense, misses tons of games but his name isnt Carmelo and he's eurotrash so I could TFK's lovefest... Ill pass.
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7/15/2014  10:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2014  10:58 AM
fishmike wrote:never passes, doesnt create, not much on defense, misses tons of games but his name isnt Carmelo and he's eurotrash so I could TFK's lovefest... Ill pass.

Hey Stalker..

eurotrash, westbaltimore trash.... whats the difference..... at least give me the guy who will defend..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/15/2014  11:04 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yea change of scenery rarely works. See Jerome James, eddy curry & of course the Great Bargnani. I say it works 15% of the time maybe less.

so why are you so sure that if the knicks get rid of shumpert he'll "flourish" elsewhere?

He's not lazy

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7/15/2014  11:14 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yea change of scenery rarely works. See Jerome James, eddy curry & of course the Great Bargnani. I say it works 15% of the time maybe less.

so why are you so sure that if the knicks get rid of shumpert he'll "flourish" elsewhere?

He's not lazy

I don't think shump is lazy either... I just don't think he is as good as many including myself may have wished he would be or even thought he would be.. with that said, i think he can be a good rotation player.. maybe somewhere else would do a world of good for him. I certainly wish the kid do well..

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7/15/2014  11:20 AM
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:never passes, doesnt create, not much on defense, misses tons of games but his name isnt Carmelo and he's eurotrash so I could TFK's lovefest... Ill pass.

Hey Stalker..

eurotrash, westbaltimore trash.... whats the difference..... at least give me the guy who will defend..

haha.. at least you dont discriminate.
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7/15/2014  11:31 AM
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yea change of scenery rarely works. See Jerome James, eddy curry & of course the Great Bargnani. I say it works 15% of the time maybe less.

so why are you so sure that if the knicks get rid of shumpert he'll "flourish" elsewhere?

He's not lazy

I don't think shump is lazy either... I just don't think he is as good as many including myself may have wished he would be or even thought he would be.. with that said, i think he can be a good rotation player.. maybe somewhere else would do a world of good for him. I certainly wish the kid do well..

Exactly Shumpert is not like any of those guys. Guess I should've been more clear. Lazy players don't suddenly be edit from a change of scenery. The 15% do because they stayed out of trouble or have a good work ethic and having the pressure lifted off your shoulders

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7/15/2014  11:34 AM
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7/15/2014  11:42 AM
Cant have that 7.9 on the books next year. If they throw in a 1st, I might think about.
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7/15/2014  1:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2014  1:36 PM
chewy wrote:Cant have that 7.9 on the books next year. If they throw in a 1st, I might think about.


As of now, I think Ilyasova's stock is at his complete lowest, good time to buy low
It mainly depends on what we are offering back and the value of those players
However, Ilyasova would give us a position that we lack at SF/PF, with mainly players that have negative contracts but are shorter
I think he is talented like JR though he isn't the immature distraction that Smith is, I think he could certainly use a change of scenery and playing in a system/team/players that could utilize his abilities


Buck's Goal
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It is obvious that Buck's are looking to shed salaries while REBUILDING, their goal is to clear salaries, gain financial flexibility, MAKE MONEY as a business, and look to continue to develop their own players/continue to suck for ping pong balls/and add assets for their future like Houston has done with Philly following the same model at the same time
Unlike the NYK's, The Buck's owner just bought the team, and is looking to make a profit by subtracting as much future contracts as possible that are not part of their future plans
Being in a small market team, they do own the same luxury that Dolan has, though they bought he bought the Buck's as a STEAL at 500m, considering the evaluation of the 2billion for the Clippers

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Jabari Parker

are both Buck's "untouchables" at this point but have value in players in

Larry Sanders *likely part of their future plans as of now, unless he could land them an ALL STAR type player or a high potential player*
With Sander's and the Buck's goal, he could be part of their future plans unless a deal came where they couldn't resist and allows them to develop and continue to gain assets for their future
After his 1 break out season, he struggled last season after he got his extension and dealt with injuries

John Henson *similar to Sander's but ceiling is lower but better OFF, he is on a rookie contract, eventually will look to get paid though, however, that is still a couple years to wait and evaluate*

They also drafted

Damien Inglis a SF/PF that likely will be the cheaper option to Ilyasova
Johnny O'Bryant, undersized PF/C that likely will be playing Zaza's role in their near future


They could go either way with contracts like

OJ Mayo
Brandon Knight
Kris Middleton
Nate Walters


With a player like Larry Sanders is quite good for his ability to block shots at PF/C and not a bad contract at all for a young BIG
Another player would be PF, John Henson who is still on his rookie contract that would be a RFA next season and a UFA for 2016/17

Larry Sander's at 11m per year for 4 more seasons is a good player, it would also limit our financial flexibility to improve and sign FA's, especially any hopes of players such as Kevin Love/Marc Gasol/Rhondo in 2015/16 and possibly Durant/Noah with many other talents in 2016-17


Brandon Knight/Nate Walters, they are stoppage PG's likely not part of their FUTURE starting plans but could still be serviceable role players but Knight will likely look to get paid, while Walter's is still developing and is a cheap option as a high 2nd round pick last year

OJ Mayo another JR Smith type of player, with much potential but not reaching to his full ceiling, and questionable work ethic/off the court troubles
Zaza Pachulia, was signed because of their previous Head Coach, Larry Drew, the previous coach of Zaza and overpaid for his services, but with Kidd now in town, he could be expendable


Knicks possible offers
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JR Smith is a knuckle head both on and off the court, is also questionable do to his physical abilities after surgery/low IQ
However, Smith's value could grow much higher as Ilyasova could go lower due to the focus of development of Buck's youth in Greek Freek and Jabari Parker
Like Ilyasova, his value is low now though he is talented, his contract is lower, and likely will OPT out of his contract after this season
Pablo is also a negative contract in terms of his age/inabilities, he holds a player option for about 1.8m for another 2 seasons and has incentives that can push it higher
However with what I am offering and my opinion of our both both JR Smith and Pablo's "value", they are negative contracts that expire earlier but if we were to send them expiring deals/TPE/NON GUARANTEED contracts to clear salary I think what you are asking for is "fair"

Expirings/trade exemptions/unguaranteed contracts/shorter contracts but negative value as of now in JR Smith/Pablo

While I don't think it is impossible to get a 1st round pick, I think in order to do that, we need to give them guaranteed expirings, or/and trade exemptions to clear salary
What about 2 2nd round picks?

If we are looking to unload JR Smith and free up roster spots at the SG position, with ending contract in Ellington, and a poor contract, though low, in Pablo

Let's not forget they have the rights to some combination of role players that we can certainly utilize like

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7/15/2014  1:30 PM
Bucks UFA but could possibly do some sign and trades with us to compensate for selling Ilyasova's contract
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Sessions a PG who's strength is his ability to penetrate with speed/quickness and average in facilitating/shooter/scorer, must improved 3pt shot if open, under rated journey man throughout his career
Jeff Adrien a F, SF/PF that rebounds quite efficiently
Edoh - PF/C shot blocker/rebounder, decent defender and athletic/mobile as well


2 years, final year is a team option
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Delfino - a G/F that has great shooting ability and HIGH IQ, with some decent ability for defense, ability to handle the ball/penetrate/facilitate, and was a big part of the Piston's Championship team and competitive years, he is older now though and didn't play last season due to injuries but has a TEAM option after this season

Bucks picks owned
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2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 or 1-5 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

2015 second round draft pick from Boston
Boston's 2015 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Boston-Brooklyn-Cleveland, 7/10/2014]

2016 second round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2016 2nd round pick to Cleveland (via New Orleans) protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then the L.A. Clippers' obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [L.A. Clippers-New Orleans, 8/12/2009 and then Cleveland-New Orleans, 7/11/2014]


Bucks picks owed
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2015 first round draft pick to Chicago
Chicago has the right to swap its 2015 1st round pick for Cleveland's 2015 1st round pick protected for selections 1-14 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Cleveland's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

2016 first round draft pick to Boston
Cleveland's 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-10 in 2016, 1-10 in 2017, 1-10 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Boston-Brooklyn-Cleveland, 7/10/2014]


http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/milwaukee.htm

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7/15/2014  10:01 PM
Didn't Larry Sanders get an awful contract? I wouldn't touch him.
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7/15/2014  11:33 PM
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:We have a lot way too many SG's and JR Smith and Pablo adds up

has elyasova been dogging it lately? soviets are great at being crooked. but then the mighty melo needs a quality sub.

Papabear Says

There he goes again with his racists like comments. When will he be stopped.

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7/15/2014  11:39 PM
tkf wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:We have a lot way too many SG's and JR Smith and Pablo adds up

has elyasova been dogging it lately? soviets are great at being crooked. but then the mighty melo needs a quality sub.

when he is healthy and playing right he is a heck of an all around player.. but what bothers me is how he has not been healthy or consistent the past few years.. not sure whats going on with him, but when he is playing well, he is a hell of a SF... would love to have him start here in NY if he could maintain the level he played on a few years ago..

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I find it very funny when D7th gets in trouble for what he says here you pop up to his aid.

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7/15/2014  11:45 PM
tj23 wrote:Didn't Larry Sanders get an awful contract? I wouldn't touch him.

Everyone thought it was good at the time. Sanders had some maturity issues last season that carried over to his play on the court. I think he would be a decent gamble on a team that already has a veteran presence. Kinda like what the Knicks had when we traded for Marcus Camby. Not so sure he's a good fit for us now.

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7/16/2014  1:31 AM
Papabear wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:We have a lot way too many SG's and JR Smith and Pablo adds up

has elyasova been dogging it lately? soviets are great at being crooked. but then the mighty melo needs a quality sub.

Papabear Says

There he goes again with his racists like comments. When will he be stopped.

Wait, thats being "racist"?

Bucks want to dump Eryan Ilyasova badly

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