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knicks1248
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7/14/2014  10:23 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Big Chief Triangle never had a smash mouth type team. He always had long athletic PFs and tall Cs that can shoot. I don't see him getting Oak type players. We do have a lot of 2s and 3s. I see him trading 1 or 2 for other assets.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.

exactly, the knicks were the tough guys always getting players suspended in the playoffs because of knuckle head plays.

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7/14/2014  10:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  10:50 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Big Chief Triangle never had a smash mouth type team. He always had long athletic PFs and tall Cs that can shoot. I don't see him getting Oak type players. We do have a lot of 2s and 3s. I see him trading 1 or 2 for other assets.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.

Phil didn't coach the Pistons, but the Bulls didn't get past them until they became a tough, defensive minded team themselves. We need player(s) who inspire other players to play the same way.

Oak got traded from the Bulls but they got back Cartwright who could get physical when it was needed, some thought he was a little dirty at times. Different rules today, but we do need players who makes the other team think twice about taking it to the the rim. Been a while since Chandler was that guy for us, when he was, his defense was infectious.

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7/14/2014  12:06 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Big Chief Triangle never had a smash mouth type team. He always had long athletic PFs and tall Cs that can shoot. I don't see him getting Oak type players. We do have a lot of 2s and 3s. I see him trading 1 or 2 for other assets.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.

Wennington, purdue, Scott williams were gangsters! I could make a long list of his other players throughout the years.... Yeah they could shoot and pass but they were gangsta best believe

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7/14/2014  12:19 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Big Chief Triangle never had a smash mouth type team. He always had long athletic PFs and tall Cs that can shoot. I don't see him getting Oak type players. We do have a lot of 2s and 3s. I see him trading 1 or 2 for other assets.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.

Phil didn't coach the Pistons, but the Bulls didn't get past them until they became a tough, defensive minded team themselves. We need player(s) who inspire other players to play the same way.

Oak got traded from the Bulls but they got back Cartwright who could get physical when it was needed, some thought he was a little dirty at times. Different rules today, but we do need players who makes the other team think twice about taking it to the the rim. Been a while since Chandler was that guy for us, when he was, his defense was infectious.

That's what I'm saying.....

It is a different era with new rules but basketball is basketball. You need guys that are q willing to put people on their asses. You need that to be infectious team trait.

Indiana beats Miami if the team rallied around each other. Lance Stevenson was all alone when it came to doing what it took to win. His team chastised him. That locker room should have rallied together and fought just as hard as Lance. They could have kept it clean. They choose to complain and they lost.

we don't need guys slapping people or blowing in guys or punching dudes while "going for the ball" but we do need guys walking that line and being physical

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7/14/2014  12:21 PM
EnySpree wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Big Chief Triangle never had a smash mouth type team. He always had long athletic PFs and tall Cs that can shoot. I don't see him getting Oak type players. We do have a lot of 2s and 3s. I see him trading 1 or 2 for other assets.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.

Wennington, purdue, Scott williams were gangsters! I could make a long list of his other players throughout the years.... Yeah they could shoot and pass but they were gangsta best believe

Uhhh Dennis rodman anyone ... I'd like to see us go after Blair

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7/14/2014  12:24 PM
I read Smash Mouth posse and thought this was going to be a thread about an All Star.

I was disappointed that the Ron Artest experiment ended so early last year. Would he come back for another go under Fisher and Jax?
Making Hansborough **** his pants last year was one of my 2013-2014 highlights.

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7/14/2014  1:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  1:16 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Big Chief Triangle never had a smash mouth type team. He always had long athletic PFs and tall Cs that can shoot. I don't see him getting Oak type players. We do have a lot of 2s and 3s. I see him trading 1 or 2 for other assets.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.

Wennington, purdue, Scott williams were gangsters! I could make a long list of his other players throughout the years.... Yeah they could shoot and pass but they were gangsta best believe

Uhhh Dennis rodman anyone ... I'd like to see us go after Blair

With the last 3 FA's that we were targeting in Birdman, Trevor Booker, and Jason Smith, it seems Phil Jackson is seeking that type of "TOUGH/DOING DIRTY WORK" type of PF/C
possibly replacing Kmart's role and losing faith in Jeremy Tyler from him NOT working hard on his game since Phil has taken over
Aside from Birdman, they all of a little post game which is also part of the Triangle, even Birdman himself when the attention was on THE BIG 3, was able to post up at times, a huge skill required to run the Triangle, a skill that Cole Aldrich displayed in addition to his IQ/Passing, something Tyler should have been working very hard on in addition to being at his prime physical shape

Amir Johnson is another player that Toronto has a TEAM OPTION on that fits in to that type of player in addition to

Dujuan Blair

Kris Humphries

Dante Cunningham (more of a F, undersized PF)

Greg Stimensa/Chris Johnson/Aoron Baynes *SA*

I think Phil Jackson is considering players that would be less than the 3.3m MLE, so he could possibly use part of it to sign Thiannis to a 3 year deal and start developing him this season with his defensive impact...


On other positions/options
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I am surprised we haven't been rumored to

Sessions/Bayless, with their ability to penetrate/finish/facilitate and hit the open 3pter, taking pressure of CA and allowing Calderon to focus more on open looks and moving the bball to the open man similar to how Kidd was utilized and helped our 54win season in addition to the veterans of Rasheed/Camby/Kurt Thomas off the court/locker room presence and toughness/development to Copeland and now our youngsters
I would like to bring in Rasheed Wallace, Billups/Ron Harper, Shane Battier/Pippen to be our development/assistant coaches to have a similar effect

The only reason I would see is because we are looking to use part of the MLE to bring in Thanisis for a 3year deal, while they both would demand closer to the 3m + with Augistine setting the value at 3m for their services, Bayless is probably the better defender of the 3 but Sessions is the better penetrator/facilitator/scorer who has been under rated his entire career as a journey man

Evan Turner *his ability to play with the ball and defend 2-3 positions, complimenting Calderon*

Though he could easily get a steal in a player like Darius Morris/Tourre Murry with the vet min
Ryan Kelly/BJ Mullen's are 2 stretch 4/5's that are available possibly at the vet min and 2 year team options at this point if we were to be able to move

STAT/AB and one of our depth at SG's to upgrade a position
Both players provide some skills needed to run the Triangle, however, are poor defenders and not the best rebounders as well
AB did show he could be a decent defender at the C position and could open the lanes to operate, with a mid/post game too

I think CA played his best last season when AB was the starting Center, however, when Tyson Chandler was available, Woodson quickly turned back to his favorite in Tyson
As CA had to re adjust how to play with a NON SCORING threat and grew a bit frustrated

As for Kmart, I think he fits that MOLD that we are looking for, as we also own his EARLY BIRD RIGHTS and LEVERAGE to give him a 1-3year deal that is UNGUARANTEED that could become an asset in future trades to a team looking to unload salary
His contract itself if could become an asset, now if he could contribute anything close to how he was when he was healthy with his DEF/ATHLETICISM/CHEMISTRY with CA, it would just be a plus for us

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7/14/2014  1:17 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Ivan Johnson is out there. He is not a great player but a decent cheap veteran guy that could be had.

Interestingly enough, we tried to sign Ivan Johnson last year, but we were offering too little and he needed more money because he just had a kid, so he played in China.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19226/nets-give-ivan-johnson-a-look

I was close to signing with a lot of [NBA teams],” Johnson said. “Most of the teams were trying to give me the minimum. I got two little boys, 1 and 2, so I had to have the money.”.....

Johnson had an offer, he said, from the New York Knicks during the season, but money was the issue.

This dude a no-nonsense, tough mofo. He also got dunked on by Cleanthony Early. Still I'd take a look.

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7/14/2014  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  1:49 PM
Wonder if we can do a return of David Lee in the future, after we use cap space to sign our core in 2015
Lee would compliment CA in my opinion, especially if we can get him as a salary dump AFTER we sign our core, adding his work ethic to help develop our youngsters with his work ethic

Something like a deal that would allow GS to free up cap space as a salary dump, we could utilize his rebounding/ability to post up/facilitate/pass/initiate an offense/handle the ball in the triangle/versatility/ability to utilize left and right hand

Iman Shumpert
JR Smith, with him likely opting out
Kmart *resigned, with early bird rights and unguaranteed contract*

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7/14/2014  1:59 PM
If you ignore height, David Lee is the perfect triangle offense center.
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7/14/2014  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  2:03 PM
All this talk about Marc Gasol in 2015, I am not sure if it would work because of the lack of quickness/speed/athleticism working well with

CA
Gasol

and

even Calderon being not the fastest/quickest/most athletic players for their positions....

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7/14/2014  3:47 PM
VDesai wrote:If you ignore height, David Lee is the perfect triangle offense center.

He really is

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7/14/2014  6:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  6:25 PM
Well he is the 2nd, maybe 3rd perfect center to Dantoni's OFF in the league, with Kevin Love and maybe Ryan Anderson being perfect Centers in SSL

or MAYBE Josh McRoberts or Durant could better Centers over Lee for Dantoni

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7/14/2014  9:55 PM
I think it goes Love and then Lee. The other guys aren't really centers in the sense that Lee and Love are big bodies and are top 5 NBA rebounders.
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