H1AND1 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dude I was agreeing with you for once on fisher being able to get to jr . But as for Jr and shump for dragic isn't a bad deal for the suns esp if jr is back to his form which he showed at the end of last year... Plus there contracts match. A Bledsoe jr back court could be deadly. And name a player the suns could get from Indiana that is more talented then jr not named Paul George. Gragic is a awesome piece but seems to be the odd man out..

He is not the odd man out he had a breakout season. The suns would NEVER trade Dragic for JR Smith and Shump. Never. Their GM would have to be blackout drunk.

I highly disagree jr is a great talent ..and shump is a lock down defender ... If you can find a better deal out there with the suns getting a more talented player then jr + a lockdown defender also jr could opt out after the season and that gives them more flexibility to be players in the 2015 fa..

find a better deal with equal talent as jr and shump. That other teams would want to trade for DG
It doesn't exist

fitzfarm wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dude I was agreeing with you for once on fisher being able to get to jr . But as for Jr and shump for dragic isn't a bad deal for the suns esp if jr is back to his form which he showed at the end of last year... Plus there contracts match. A Bledsoe jr back court could be deadly. And name a player the suns could get from Indiana that is more talented then jr not named Paul George. Gragic is a awesome piece but seems to be the odd man out..

He is not the odd man out he had a breakout season. The suns would NEVER trade Dragic for JR Smith and Shump. Never. Their GM would have to be blackout drunk.

I highly disagree jr is a great talent ..and shump is a lock down defender ... If you can find a better deal out there with the suns getting a more talented player then jr + a lockdown defender also jr could opt out after the season and that gives them more flexibility to be players in the 2015 fa..

find a better deal with equal talent as jr and shump. That other teams would want to trade for DG
It doesn't exist

Dragic is a top 5 PG in the NBA.

Jr is a very talented head case. That's why nobody wanted him but us and even after getting 6th man of the year he only got a small contract. No team wants JR otherwise he'd be traded already.

Shump right now is worth almost nothing. He regressed bigtime last season.

The Suns could get WAY more. You are seriously overrating JR and Shump and underrating Dragic.

H1AND1 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Just like nyk fans overvalue there players they also under value there value to a team that has Gerald green as there starting 2 guard... A Bledsoe jr back court would be deadly

As we saw last season, a Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt was pretty damn great.

Which is why it's weird that it seems the suns are going to dismantle it.

smackeddog wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Just like nyk fans overvalue there players they also under value there value to a team that has Gerald green as there starting 2 guard... A Bledsoe jr back court would be deadly

As we saw last season, a Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt was pretty damn great.

Which is why it's weird that it seems the suns are going to dismantle it.

Still, that doesn't mean the Suns want to trade Dragic. And Still, they can get a huge amount on the open market for Dragic as he has a great contract and is playing out of his mind. They can certainly can get more for him than JR and Shump who are worth almost nothing on the open market (they are obvious worth more to THE KNICKS as we have to use them. But that doesn't change the fact that JR is worth almost nothinh and Shump at this point can't even get a low 20's draft pick in return (OKC offered 29 but not 21, right?). That's not high value. It's terrible value.

GustavBahler wrote:Isn't Dragic more of a shoot first PG? If he could change the way he plays Id be for it if we could still keep Calderon.

change the way he plays? boy would I love this guy on my team. And in the triangle? A man can dream.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Isn't Dragic more of a shoot first PG? If he could change the way he plays Id be for it if we could still keep Calderon.

change the way he plays? boy would I love this guy on my team. And in the triangle? A man can dream.

Haven't seen the triangle run with a shoot first PG, thats why he would have to be more of a facilitator than a scorer.

The triangle does not really require a true PG. It requires handlers, smart passers and highly efficient scorers.

I would defer to Nix on this though I would be shocked if he is not the perfect fit.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Isn't Dragic more of a shoot first PG? If he could change the way he plays Id be for it if we could still keep Calderon.

change the way he plays? boy would I love this guy on my team. And in the triangle? A man can dream.

Haven't seen the triangle run with a shoot first PG, thats why he would have to be more of a facilitator than a scorer.

The triangle does not really require a true PG. It requires handlers, smart passers and highly efficient scorers.

I would defer to Nix on this though I would be shocked if he is not the perfect fit.

My point is that the primary function of the PG in the triangle isn't scoring, its initiating ball movement. Saying that Dragic would have to change his game isn't a knock on Dragic. Phoenix overachieved, surprised a lot of teams with him at point.

Let him be the 2. Who cares - he is so damn efficient at everything he does. He is a very good passer too but was better off shooting more often and his eff rate.