NardDogNation wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.

Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.

Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.

And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?

Knicksfan wrote:I'm with you! Its like, how hard can it be to get the coach you wanted from the start and the big man that you set yourself to get by adding a Spanish point guard! I just acquired Pau Gasol and even LeBron in my NBA 2K14 game and it was so easy!!! Come on, Phil!!

Why having the Zen Master if he can't impose his will over real people with families like Kerr? Why can't he get players like Gasol when another team only has more money and a better team to offer? He is supposed to mind-control them! Wasn't that why we brought him in the first place? He showed his talent mind-controlling Dolan, according to reports. And that in itself is a feat, given Dolan's little resources in that regard.

Fire this Phil guy already!

There was nearly a month long speculation of Steve Kerr coming to the Knicks. I would hope that he would've looked up the distance from the West Coast to the East Coast during that period of time. If he did, it certainly didn't deter him from spending all that time negotiating a contract with the Knicks. So I don't buy the "my family made me do it" excuse. That decision had everything to do with the Warriors being a far superior team, with the added incentive of not having to move across country.

As for Pau Gasol, they won't be offering him much more than the $3.3 million/yr we could offer him, since they will also be using their cap space to lock up Nikola Mirotic. And unlike the Bulls, we'll have a phletora of cap space next season for him to renegotiate the his contract for more money. Added cherry on top, we could even pursue his brother and already have his alleged "best friend" on the team. So no, the Bulls are not able to offer him more than we can....but he's still going to the Bulls (allegedly).

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:I'm with you! Its like, how hard can it be to get the coach you wanted from the start and the big man that you set yourself to get by adding a Spanish point guard! I just acquired Pau Gasol and even LeBron in my NBA 2K14 game and it was so easy!!! Come on, Phil!!

Why having the Zen Master if he can't impose his will over real people with families like Kerr? Why can't he get players like Gasol when another team only has more money and a better team to offer? He is supposed to mind-control them! Wasn't that why we brought him in the first place? He showed his talent mind-controlling Dolan, according to reports. And that in itself is a feat, given Dolan's little resources in that regard.

Fire this Phil guy already!

There was nearly a month long speculation of Steve Kerr coming to the Knicks. I would hope that he would've looked up the distance from the West Coast to the East Coast during that period of time. If he did, it certainly didn't deter him from spending all that time negotiating a contract with the Knicks. So I don't buy the "my family made me do it" excuse. That decision had everything to do with the Warriors being a far superior team, with the added incentive of not having to move across country.

As for Pau Gasol, they won't be offering him much more than the $3.3 million/yr we could offer him, since they will also be using their cap space to lock up Nikola Mirotic. And unlike the Bulls, we'll have a phletora of cap space next season for him to renegotiate the his contract for more money. Added cherry on top, we could even pursue his brother and already have his alleged "best friend" on the team. So no, the Bulls are not able to offer him more than we can....but he's still going to the Bulls (allegedly).

See my previous post.

Knicksfan wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.

Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.

Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.

And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?

KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune has suggested that it's a do-or-die situation with Pau Gasol to the Bulls. Yes, they are working sign and trade options but by no means is that guaranteed. He was specifically stated that Gasol is willing to sign for the MLE, in which case, that wouldn't be much more than what we can offer him. On top of that, even if he were sign and traded, he'd still be earning about the same because the Bulls intend to sign Nikola Mirotic. Let's presume they hypothetically move Carlos Boozer...that only opens up $11 million in cap space. Mirotic is going to get at least $4 million considering he just had to splurge $3 million on a buyout and passed up about $7 million per in Europe. That leaves about $7 million per for Gasol as a best case scenario. You don't think we can best that in 2015 with the amount of money we'll have at our disposal?

As for Kerr, the family excuse is tired. You don't think he knew the distance between the coasts during the 3 weeks of negotiates he had with Phil? A better team is ultimately what made his decision an easy one.

Knicksfan wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:I'm with you! Its like, how hard can it be to get the coach you wanted from the start and the big man that you set yourself to get by adding a Spanish point guard! I just acquired Pau Gasol and even LeBron in my NBA 2K14 game and it was so easy!!! Come on, Phil!!

Why having the Zen Master if he can't impose his will over real people with families like Kerr? Why can't he get players like Gasol when another team only has more money and a better team to offer? He is supposed to mind-control them! Wasn't that why we brought him in the first place? He showed his talent mind-controlling Dolan, according to reports. And that in itself is a feat, given Dolan's little resources in that regard.

Fire this Phil guy already!

There was nearly a month long speculation of Steve Kerr coming to the Knicks. I would hope that he would've looked up the distance from the West Coast to the East Coast during that period of time. If he did, it certainly didn't deter him from spending all that time negotiating a contract with the Knicks. So I don't buy the "my family made me do it" excuse. That decision had everything to do with the Warriors being a far superior team, with the added incentive of not having to move across country.

As for Pau Gasol, they won't be offering him much more than the $3.3 million/yr we could offer him, since they will also be using their cap space to lock up Nikola Mirotic. And unlike the Bulls, we'll have a phletora of cap space next season for him to renegotiate the his contract for more money. Added cherry on top, we could even pursue his brother and already have his alleged "best friend" on the team. So no, the Bulls are not able to offer him more than we can....but he's still going to the Bulls (allegedly).

See my previous post.

I did but you still can't answer my very basic question.

NardDogNation wrote:It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?

Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?

At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.

They can offer 4 years 22.3 million , we can offer 3 years 10 million thats not much more?

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.

Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.

Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.

And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?

KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune has suggested that it's a do-or-die situation with Pau Gasol to the Bulls. Yes, they are working sign and trade options but by no means is that guaranteed. He was specifically stated that Gasol is willing to sign for the MLE, in which case, that wouldn't be much more than what we can offer him. On top of that, even if he were sign and traded, he'd still be earning about the same because the Bulls intend to sign Nikola Mirotic. Let's presume they hypothetically move Carlos Boozer...that only opens up $11 million in cap space. Mirotic is going to get at least $4 million considering he just had to splurge $3 million on a buyout and passed up about $7 million per in Europe. That leaves about $7 million per for Gasol as a best case scenario. You don't think we can best that in 2015 with the amount of money we'll have at our disposal?

As for Kerr, the family excuse is tired. You don't think he knew the distance between the coasts during the 3 weeks of negotiates he had with Phil? A better team is ultimately what made his decision an easy one.

Dude, you pick up the story that best fits your argument and run away with it like they were facts just to accommodate your rant about a guy that is just starting his project of making the Knicks relevant again? Why don't you wait until Gasol signs for the MLE before jumping bridges? Right now most media report that Chicago is working a sign and trade. Even if they didn't, they still have enough cap to sign him straight to a 10mill+ deal, especially if they have moved on from Melo. So a reporter speculates on him signing for the MLE and you take that as gospel? Please

And then we move from "media speculation" to your opinion as a fact. A tired excuse? How old are you? Do you have a family? Do you know how important that is to someone? If you could do the work you love and closer to your home and family versus making your family move to the other coast of the nation for the job, what would you do? Kerr himself has said he was intrigued to work with Phil but his family won over when the GSW job surfaced. Believe whatever you want, but dont use your as fact to back up a bad argument.

Bonn1997 wrote:I agree with TKF too. We don't know anything about Phil as a GM. Even if he is just an "above average" GM he's starting from a well below average starting point.

He comes in with 45 million dollars worth of toxic contracts that no 1 wants, no draft picks, basically no flexibility whatsoever because of this CBA and we have posters shocked that FA isnt going well

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil Jackson Positive Moves:

Hiring Derek Fisher and Kurt Rambis as head and associate coaches

Trading Tyson and Felton for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin and picks Cleanthony Early, Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Louis Labeyrie.

Signing Cole Aldrich and Waiving Lamar Odom.

So far that's a good start for such a short time. The culture is already changed. We have a system and emphasis on team BB and a more aggressive defense. I think he's already shown his worth and his best work is yet to come.

Nice summary- it's early days but I like those moves. No more secrecy- he treats the media and fans with more respect, and gives honest (and sometimes funny) answers. Not entirely sure what else he was meant to have done by this point with a capped out team, only $3.3mil MMLE, untradeable players and no first round draft pick!

Plus no more Dolan!

smackeddog wrote:If your expectations of Phil are to get every person he wants for every job he wants them to do, and for all players he wants to have on the roster to come here regardless of money, then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.

Uh, he's barely gotten any of the people for any of the jobs that he wants them to do aside from Derek Fisher....who was his 2nd choice. That was with him offering the same or comparable money. Hell, we still have our star dangling in the wind who Phil wants to keep. That's why I'm disappointed.