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Jmpasq
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7/10/2014  8:56 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Bargiani had some really good games with calderon when they played together, and I think both Larkin, and Calderon are very good PnR players. With that being said, I think the both of them are prime to have very respectable seasons, but Theres a strong chance,(IMO) atleast one will get traded before the deadline.

I think so as well, I think the Amare contract is almost untradeable just because of the sheer size, Bargs on the other hand maybe moveable

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7/10/2014  8:57 AM
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Rookie wrote:Houston might have to dump Jones & Motlejunas w/o taking salary back. To bad we have Bargs & Stat taking up cap space. Wonder if our trade exception and cash/or a future pick could get it done
One guy makes 1.5 mil the other 1.6. I think the Knicks could do get them for guys without guaranteed money (i.e. Odom) or possibly the trade exception. I wonder if Morey includes them in a Lin deal. Both are good prospects.

Playing around with the trade checker on RealGM, odom can not be traded until july 16 but the deal did go through using Shannon brown's non guaranteed contract. Can they fit in the TPE or is that only for a single player trade? If the TPE or Brown can be used then give Houston a future protected 2nd rounder and call it a day. The rights to Athanassis may still be on the table too. That would be a semi-last resort.
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7/10/2014  9:04 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Rookie wrote:Houston might have to dump Jones & Motlejunas w/o taking salary back. To bad we have Bargs & Stat taking up cap space. Wonder if our trade exception and cash/or a future pick could get it done
One guy makes 1.5 mil the other 1.6. I think the Knicks could do get them for guys without guaranteed money (i.e. Odom) or possibly the trade exception. I wonder if Morey includes them in a Lin deal. Both are good prospects.

Playing around with the trade checker on RealGM, odom can not be traded until july 16 but the deal did go through using Shannon brown's non guaranteed contract. Can they fit in the TPE or is that only for a single player trade? If the TPE or Brown can be used then give Houston a future protected 2nd rounder and call it a day. The rights to Athanassis may still be on the table too. That would be a semi-last resort.

I think the Rockets can do better than that for Jones. I think a contending team would give up a first in a heartbeat for him

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7/10/2014  9:08 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

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7/10/2014  9:12 AM
Bargs should be moveable. His 12mil isn't that bad compared to STAT's 23mil. If we can't move either I don't think they'll be a problem for this team in this system. Bargs just needs a defined role. Most teams just put him in there and expect him to just make something happen. In a system he'll have a specific role and the same goes for STAT. They work better that way. They need to know the parameters of their roles which are more simplified and clear. Some players don't need that. Some players have a natural sense of what they need to do and the energy to just go and do it. We've seen how awful STAT and Bargs are at what would seem to be natural defensive thinking and offensive play making.
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7/10/2014  9:49 AM
nixluva wrote:Bargs should be moveable. His 12mil isn't that bad compared to STAT's 23mil. If we can't move either I don't think they'll be a problem for this team in this system. Bargs just needs a defined role. Most teams just put him in there and expect him to just make something happen. In a system he'll have a specific role and the same goes for STAT. They work better that way. They need to know the parameters of their roles which are more simplified and clear. Some players don't need that. Some players have a natural sense of what they need to do and the energy to just go and do it. We've seen how awful STAT and Bargs are at what would seem to be natural defensive thinking and offensive play making.

I think Phil likes Bargs in the triangle and playing with Calderon. I think he would love to move Amare if the opportunity presents itself. I might be wrong about Amare.
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7/10/2014  9:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2014  9:52 AM
nixluva wrote:Bargs should be moveable. His 12mil isn't that bad compared to STAT's 23mil. If we can't move either I don't think they'll be a problem for this team in this system. Bargs just needs a defined role. Most teams just put him in there and expect him to just make something happen. In a system he'll have a specific role and the same goes for STAT. They work better that way. They need to know the parameters of their roles which are more simplified and clear. Some players don't need that. Some players have a natural sense of what they need to do and the energy to just go and do it. We've seen how awful STAT and Bargs are at what would seem to be natural defensive thinking and offensive play making.

Both are movable. We'd just have to take back players with bad contracts who are inferior to the players we'd use our cap space on starting in 12 months if we had a little more patience.
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7/10/2014  9:56 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.


I agree and think Barge will adapt well to the triangle offense well cause he's a big man that can hit the 15/18 foot jumper consistently and Amare' has been playing great (offensively) when he's in the games and healthy which he was last year and nobody really knows if he could have played more minutes than he did. If these guys buy in to what Fish and Jax will be selling next year (TEAM BALL) then we can be a team that can make some noise in the playoffs, maybe not win a championship (That will come the following year) but definitely a playoff team.
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7/10/2014  10:05 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Lets see how they fit the triangle first, the problem with Amare and Bargs is both are low IQ players. I wouldnt mind STAT back but no way am I giving him the MLE type deal and he probably gets that

Bargs has high IQ but no Motor

Stat has motor but no IQ
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7/10/2014  10:29 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Bargiani had some really good games with calderon when they played together, and I think both Larkin, and Calderon are very good PnR players. With that being said, I think the both of them are prime to have very respectable seasons, but Theres a strong chance,(IMO) atleast one will get traded before the deadline.

Bargs had some good games for us as well, he was our second leading scorer, and a very good man defender. Maybe a defined system is just what he needs. You're right that maybe a familiar face in Calderon might be the ticket as well. If we can upgrade the roster by trading Bargs Im all for it, but I am curious to see if Calderon, a real system, and a new coach, will help Bargs gel better with his teammates. Im somewhat optimistic, but it wouldn't surprise me if nothing changes.
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7/10/2014  11:00 AM
Not sure how someone with a low bball IQ averages 25ppg for many seasons in his career. Its not that easy...
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7/10/2014  11:02 AM
VDesai wrote:Not sure how someone with a low bball IQ averages 25ppg for many seasons in his career. Its not that easy...

Steve Nash and Elite Felton helped make that dream a reality

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/10/2014  11:05 AM
if melo re-signs, the knicks have every incentive in the world to maximize assets to improve the team for the following season. after 2015, the knicks will not have a first round pick for 2 drafts.

trying to win and capping out at 45 wins would screw over their one shot at getting a high pick to keep or use in another deal.

amare + bargs value will not increase at any point. they are expirings, they are known commodities.
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7/10/2014  11:16 AM
djsunyc wrote:after 2015, the knicks will not have a first round pick for 2 drafts.

Is this possible?

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7/10/2014  11:18 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Lets see how they fit the triangle first, the problem with Amare and Bargs is both are low IQ players. I wouldnt mind STAT back but no way am I giving him the MLE type deal and he probably gets that

Bargs has high IQ but no Motor

Stat has motor but no IQ

Let's hope that playing in a system will minimize their deficiencies somewhat. Remember, their both in contract years.

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7/10/2014  11:20 AM
Andrew wrote:
djsunyc wrote:after 2015, the knicks will not have a first round pick for 2 drafts.

Is this possible?

What happened to the 2017 1st round pick?

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7/10/2014  11:30 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

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7/10/2014  11:32 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
Andrew wrote:
djsunyc wrote:after 2015, the knicks will not have a first round pick for 2 drafts.

Is this possible?

What happened to the 2017 1st round pick?

we have it, 2016 is the last 1st we dont have

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7/10/2014  11:45 AM
Andrew wrote:
djsunyc wrote:after 2015, the knicks will not have a first round pick for 2 drafts.

Is this possible?

meant to say they won't have a first round pick until after 2 seasons.
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7/10/2014  1:16 PM
mreinman wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

Why? Give me something to read you lazy bum

no

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