nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Phil is a smart guy he's going to mold our team like the spurs did when pop came on board for the spurs ... I don't really think Phil cares if melo comes on board ... He's going to build a competitive team through yoots and draft. Also kd in 2016. He already has a rising star in thjr who's game is perfect for the triangle.

I think Phil is just fine with whatever goes down, cuz he knows he has a real plan and overall philosophy that leads to good BB. He already has a nice little base of talent to build off and so there's no reason to panic. He knows he'll have the cap all straightened out soon and so what's to worry about? You just do your job and make smart decisions and everything else takes care of itself.

Plus if it's the end of the Heat, the east just got a bit more even- bulls, pacers and Cavs will all be great teams but not indestructible like the Heat sometimes seemed.

smackeddog wrote:I'm presuming the initial plan was to re-sign Melo, with the promise of signing another star in 2015. Problem is, even if Melo did sign (and there's no guarantee of that), there are no 2015 FA stars left! Lebron, Wade and Bosh will be signing new contracts this offseason, Love will lively be traded to the Celtics, Rondo will likely re-sign with them too. Aldridge said he will re-sign with the Blazers. Who does that leave that would entice Melo?

Really, our best hope is a Melo S&T with the Bulls- should get us a few young pieces/picks and defenders, and allow us to establish a culture- slowly build on it over the next few years. I think even Melo can see that his hopes of being paired with an all-star here are over.

what young talent do the bulls have that can come close to and equal trade..Their biggest obstacle is Boozer and Gibson, and melo doesn't want to go there without gibson. Unless they are willing to give up this yrs pick, snell, butler, dunlevy

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Phil is a smart guy he's going to mold our team like the spurs did when pop came on board for the spurs ... I don't really think Phil cares if melo comes on board ... He's going to build a competitive team through yoots and draft. Also kd in 2016. He already has a rising star in thjr who's game is perfect for the triangle.

I think Phil is just fine with whatever goes down, cuz he knows he has a real plan and overall philosophy that leads to good BB. He already has a nice little base of talent to build off and so there's no reason to panic. He knows he'll have the cap all straightened out soon and so what's to worry about? You just do your job and make smart decisions and everything else takes care of itself.

he knows you need a star player. Stop kidding yourselves. Go back in recent history and think of the yoots we were building with in the past. Gallo, Chandler etc... Those guys did not look like a good core. Suddenly you add Amare (when he was still Amare) and the Knicks start winning games, Chandler looks like a great defender, Gallo was hitting big shots... it matters. You can tell yourself it doesnt, but having an elite player takes so much pressure off the young guys, and that alone is why Phil knows it makes sense to max out Melo.

Im sorry.. THjr is NOT a rising star. Had some really nice moments last year and some really bad ones where he got utterly exposed as being useless if he's not shooting a 3 or dunking on a fast break. He's got a long ways to go before he starts, much less be a rising star. Cmon folks...

LOL

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Phil is a smart guy he's going to mold our team like the spurs did when pop came on board for the spurs ... I don't really think Phil cares if melo comes on board ... He's going to build a competitive team through yoots and draft. Also kd in 2016. He already has a rising star in thjr who's game is perfect for the triangle.

I think Phil is just fine with whatever goes down, cuz he knows he has a real plan and overall philosophy that leads to good BB. He already has a nice little base of talent to build off and so there's no reason to panic. He knows he'll have the cap all straightened out soon and so what's to worry about? You just do your job and make smart decisions and everything else takes care of itself.

he knows you need a star player. Stop kidding yourselves. Go back in recent history and think of the yoots we were building with in the past. Gallo, Chandler etc... Those guys did not look like a good core. Suddenly you add Amare (when he was still Amare) and the Knicks start winning games, Chandler looks like a great defender, Gallo was hitting big shots... it matters. You can tell yourself it doesnt, but having an elite player takes so much pressure off the young guys, and that alone is why Phil knows it makes sense to max out Melo.

Im sorry.. THjr is NOT a rising star. Had some really nice moments last year and some really bad ones where he got utterly exposed as being useless if he's not shooting a 3 or dunking on a fast break. He's got a long ways to go before he starts, much less be a rising star. Cmon folks...

This is about more than just adding star players from other teams tho. You can have talent and still not win due to how you play and the makeup of the roster. I don't think we'd ever just ignore the fact that you need great talent to win. That's not the point we're getting at. It's just nice to have the ability to grow our own again. We've thrown it all at FA's and stars from others but we don't have to do that anymore. We have our own young players to develop and future picks. On top of all that we have our cap space again after next season no matter what. that's the point. This franchise is back on solid footing in terms of having all our options available to build a winning team.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Phil is a smart guy he's going to mold our team like the spurs did when pop came on board for the spurs ... I don't really think Phil cares if melo comes on board ... He's going to build a competitive team through yoots and draft. Also kd in 2016. He already has a rising star in thjr who's game is perfect for the triangle.

I think Phil is just fine with whatever goes down, cuz he knows he has a real plan and overall philosophy that leads to good BB. He already has a nice little base of talent to build off and so there's no reason to panic. He knows he'll have the cap all straightened out soon and so what's to worry about? You just do your job and make smart decisions and everything else takes care of itself.

he knows you need a star player. Stop kidding yourselves. Go back in recent history and think of the yoots we were building with in the past. Gallo, Chandler etc... Those guys did not look like a good core. Suddenly you add Amare (when he was still Amare) and the Knicks start winning games, Chandler looks like a great defender, Gallo was hitting big shots... it matters. You can tell yourself it doesnt, but having an elite player takes so much pressure off the young guys, and that alone is why Phil knows it makes sense to max out Melo.

Im sorry.. THjr is NOT a rising star. Had some really nice moments last year and some really bad ones where he got utterly exposed as being useless if he's not shooting a 3 or dunking on a fast break. He's got a long ways to go before he starts, much less be a rising star. Cmon folks...

This is about more than just adding star players from other teams tho. You can have talent and still not win due to how you play and the makeup of the roster. I don't think we'd ever just ignore the fact that you need great talent to win. That's not the point we're getting at. It's just nice to have the ability to grow our own again. We've thrown it all at FA's and stars from others but we don't have to do that anymore. We have our own young players to develop and future picks. On top of all that we have our cap space again after next season no matter what. that's the point. This franchise is back on solid footing in terms of having all our options available to build a winning team.

stars from other teams isnt really my desire. I would much prefer homegrown talent. I also prefer winning and think developing players is better in a winning environment and that should be our goal. My worst case w/ Melo is he's stop gap. Get back to winning games, playing good balll and establish a winning culture. Eventually we will move on from him, but in the short term we need him. I believe Phil sees the same but who knows...

My expectation is Melo in the triangle will be far more entertaining than IsoMelo!
If so, winning should progress!

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Phil is a smart guy he's going to mold our team like the spurs did when pop came on board for the spurs ... I don't really think Phil cares if melo comes on board ... He's going to build a competitive team through yoots and draft. Also kd in 2016. He already has a rising star in thjr who's game is perfect for the triangle.

I think Phil is just fine with whatever goes down, cuz he knows he has a real plan and overall philosophy that leads to good BB. He already has a nice little base of talent to build off and so there's no reason to panic. He knows he'll have the cap all straightened out soon and so what's to worry about? You just do your job and make smart decisions and everything else takes care of itself.

he knows you need a star player. Stop kidding yourselves. Go back in recent history and think of the yoots we were building with in the past. Gallo, Chandler etc... Those guys did not look like a good core. Suddenly you add Amare (when he was still Amare) and the Knicks start winning games, Chandler looks like a great defender, Gallo was hitting big shots... it matters. You can tell yourself it doesnt, but having an elite player takes so much pressure off the young guys, and that alone is why Phil knows it makes sense to max out Melo.

Im sorry.. THjr is NOT a rising star. Had some really nice moments last year and some really bad ones where he got utterly exposed as being useless if he's not shooting a 3 or dunking on a fast break. He's got a long ways to go before he starts, much less be a rising star. Cmon folks...

This is about more than just adding star players from other teams tho. You can have talent and still not win due to how you play and the makeup of the roster. I don't think we'd ever just ignore the fact that you need great talent to win. That's not the point we're getting at. It's just nice to have the ability to grow our own again. We've thrown it all at FA's and stars from others but we don't have to do that anymore. We have our own young players to develop and future picks. On top of all that we have our cap space again after next season no matter what. that's the point. This franchise is back on solid footing in terms of having all our options available to build a winning team.

stars from other teams isnt really my desire. I would much prefer homegrown talent. I also prefer winning and think developing players is better in a winning environment and that should be our goal. My worst case w/ Melo is he's stop gap. Get back to winning games, playing good balll and establish a winning culture. Eventually we will move on from him, but in the short term we need him. I believe Phil sees the same but who knows...

My expectation is Melo in the triangle will be far more entertaining than IsoMelo!
If so, winning should progress!

Yeah - I was looking forward to see how he does in the triangle. I think that his game will improve a lot efficiency wise.

mreinman feels really sick about the 129.

The moment Uncle Phil picked up two second round draft picks the 2015 plan seemed to be taking shape. Then somebody put max cash on the table for Melo.

Multiple moving vans reported at Lebron's house. It's all crazy.

misterearl wrote:The 2015 Plan was just an analgesic balm manufactured by The Answer Man to keep himself warm during the cold winter nights of 20 point blowout losses on the west coast.

The moment Uncle Phil picked up two second round draft picks the 2015 plan seemed to be taking shape. Then somebody put max cash on the table for Melo.

Multiple moving vans reported at Lebron's house. It's all crazy.

Word is he moves his cars via transport every summer to Ohio.