smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN · 3h
Cavs planned to make version of this trade regardless of LeBron plans, sources say. Should not be indication any LeBron decision reached.

They are idiots if this is true!

Jmpasq wrote:Trade Melo for Waiters , Bennett, Tristan Thompson 2 first round picks

and then flip Waiters/Stat to Philly

Jmpasq wrote:Trade Melo for Waiters , Bennett, Tristan Thompson 2 first round picks

Why? And more importantly, how? The Cavs spilled their load between this most recent trade to get rid of Jarrett Jack and the even stupider decision to dump picks on the Bulls for Deng. Their first round pick situation might be worse than our own.

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN · 3h
Cavs planned to make version of this trade regardless of LeBron plans, sources say. Should not be indication any LeBron decision reached.

They are idiots if this is true!

They wanted to move Jack.

Who they just signed last offseason. They already gave up a pick for Deng too, who is about to walk. Unless they had a guarantee of Lebron then you just have to eat Jack's contract as they wouldn't need the extra cap space. They also gave up 2 young players in the trade.

NardDogNation wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Trade Melo for Waiters , Bennett, Tristan Thompson 2 first round picks

Why? And more importantly, how? The Cavs spilled their load between this most recent trade to get rid of Jarrett Jack and the even stupider decision to dump picks on the Bulls for Deng. Their first round pick situation might be worse than our own.

Cleveland had 3 2015 1st rd. picks. They sent their own to Chicago for Deng. They have Memphis & Miami's 2015 1st rd picks with protection. Don't know what pick they sent to Boston.

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 or 1-5 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

*edit* Cleveland sent their own 2016 1st rd pick to Boston. They still own (2) 2015 protected 1st rd picks.

Rookie wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Trade Melo for Waiters , Bennett, Tristan Thompson 2 first round picks

Why? And more importantly, how? The Cavs spilled their load between this most recent trade to get rid of Jarrett Jack and the even stupider decision to dump picks on the Bulls for Deng. Their first round pick situation might be worse than our own.

Cleveland had 3 2015 1st rd. picks. They sent their own to Chicago for Deng. They have Memphis & Miami's 2015 1st rd picks with protection. Don't know what pick they sent to Boston.

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 or 1-5 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

*edit* Cleveland sent their own 2016 1st rd pick to Boston. They still own (2) 2015 protected 1st rd picks.

Good find! None of those picks are particularly appealing to me for a player of Melo's stature though, especially if LeBron and/or Bosh return to MIA.

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.

I didn't believe it until this morning. Either it happens or Lebron is somehow even more hated in Cleveland than he was in 2010! Raising their hopes AND leading to them giving up picks!

You have to think the Cavs have a verbal agreement with James. If not, and you're a Cav's fan, you better hope that

1) they have a legit backup plan to use the cap space.

2) the #1 they gave up has some kind of protection attached to it.

Folks in Cleveland might be more devastated than the nation of Brazil in a day or two if things don't work out for them.

You could make that same argument for the phletora of teams that bet the farm for James in 2010. If the Cavs had the commitment, we would've heard about it by now.

What's the expression that George Bush f'd up a few years ago... "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me."

Cleveland was his original team and it is in a state where he has roots- I feel they are in a different situation than the other teams who wanted him in 2010 because they HAD him and then LOST him.

Cavs look totally foolish if they don't get James because they are dealing out of desperation, and not strength, by scrambling around to open up cap space at this point in time.

Something had to trigger this movement on their part... was it a "handshake" or hope?

Rookie wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Rookie wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Trade Melo for Waiters , Bennett, Tristan Thompson 2 first round picks

Why? And more importantly, how? The Cavs spilled their load between this most recent trade to get rid of Jarrett Jack and the even stupider decision to dump picks on the Bulls for Deng. Their first round pick situation might be worse than our own.

Cleveland had 3 2015 1st rd. picks. They sent their own to Chicago for Deng. They have Memphis & Miami's 2015 1st rd picks with protection. Don't know what pick they sent to Boston.

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 or 1-5 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

*edit* Cleveland sent their own 2016 1st rd pick to Boston. They still own (2) 2015 protected 1st rd picks.

Good find! None of those picks are particularly appealing to me for a player of Melo's stature though, especially if LeBron and/or Bosh return to MIA.

take Wiggins and a pick. use the pick to dump salary (Bargs). Bennet might start to play to expectations this year. He is finally healthy and looks slimmer. Thompson is close to avg'ing a dbl/dbl. Dump Waiters with Stat, he doesn't fit in with the Knick. We now have a clean slate, young players and cap room to sign a FA or two. I am all for a S&T with Cleveland. This would be the best possible outcome for the Knicks.

Wiggins might be a little too much value for Melo, who is 30. The Cavs are dumb though...so maybe it might work if they can get LeBron to sign on the dotted line. Even so, I see Wiggins and filler for Love being far more likely.

NardDogNation wrote:

Rookie wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Rookie wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Trade Melo for Waiters , Bennett, Tristan Thompson 2 first round picks

Why? And more importantly, how? The Cavs spilled their load between this most recent trade to get rid of Jarrett Jack and the even stupider decision to dump picks on the Bulls for Deng. Their first round pick situation might be worse than our own.

Cleveland had 3 2015 1st rd. picks. They sent their own to Chicago for Deng. They have Memphis & Miami's 2015 1st rd picks with protection. Don't know what pick they sent to Boston.

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 or 1-5 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

*edit* Cleveland sent their own 2016 1st rd pick to Boston. They still own (2) 2015 protected 1st rd picks.

Good find! None of those picks are particularly appealing to me for a player of Melo's stature though, especially if LeBron and/or Bosh return to MIA.

take Wiggins and a pick. use the pick to dump salary (Bargs). Bennet might start to play to expectations this year. He is finally healthy and looks slimmer. Thompson is close to avg'ing a dbl/dbl. Dump Waiters with Stat, he doesn't fit in with the Knick. We now have a clean slate, young players and cap room to sign a FA or two. I am all for a S&T with Cleveland. This would be the best possible outcome for the Knicks.

Wiggins might be a little too much value for Melo, who is 30. The Cavs are dumb though...so maybe it might work if they can get LeBron to sign on the dotted line. Even so, I see Wiggins and filler for Love being far more likely.

will never happen.

and, at least Melo knows how to show up in the tourney