mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

Would it really shock you if Melo got the max or very close to it? If this happens, whats the new perception of Phil?

It would not shock me and its not up to Phil. Its up to Melo. Phil has no choice here, he is not letting Melo walk for nothing. He will give him the max if that is what Melo requires.

It would be a really stupid move by melo to take the max IMHO. GAME OF CHESS, your move mr anthony ...

So let me get this straight, before the FA started Phil had all the cards regarding Melo and the money he can offer him but now its up to Melo? Come now. If Phil doesn't want Melo he doesn't have to pay Melo. He can do a S&T if he wants but he chooses to say that's off the table.

Should he take less to make it slightly easier for the Knicks to add players? I think so but the organization and Melo are each responsible. I think he should do a little under the Highest salary this year, 5.5% decrease, 7.5% decrease, 7.5% increase, and 7.5% increase

If phil can do a good S/T he would. He can't make a bad trade or let him walk for nothing. He can always sign him to the max if that is his only choice and maybe unload him later.

Melo has to want or be willing to take a discount. I believe that he holds all the cards at this point.

It sux that lebron will get the max because Melo need to do what Lebron do.

Why don't you admit it!! Phil needs Melo and Phil wants Melo and he will pay top dollar to get Melo and the other thing is that if there ever is a trade Melo will have the choice of where he wants to go. You see Phil never had the power over Melo. It's Melo's call.

Papabear wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

Would it really shock you if Melo got the max or very close to it? If this happens, whats the new perception of Phil?

It would not shock me and its not up to Phil. Its up to Melo. Phil has no choice here, he is not letting Melo walk for nothing. He will give him the max if that is what Melo requires.

It would be a really stupid move by melo to take the max IMHO. GAME OF CHESS, your move mr anthony ...

So let me get this straight, before the FA started Phil had all the cards regarding Melo and the money he can offer him but now its up to Melo? Come now. If Phil doesn't want Melo he doesn't have to pay Melo. He can do a S&T if he wants but he chooses to say that's off the table.

Should he take less to make it slightly easier for the Knicks to add players? I think so but the organization and Melo are each responsible. I think he should do a little under the Highest salary this year, 5.5% decrease, 7.5% decrease, 7.5% increase, and 7.5% increase

If phil can do a good S/T he would. He can't make a bad trade or let him walk for nothing. He can always sign him to the max if that is his only choice and maybe unload him later.

Melo has to want or be willing to take a discount. I believe that he holds all the cards at this point.

It sux that lebron will get the max because Melo need to do what Lebron do.

Papabear Says

Why don't you admit it!! Phil needs Melo and Phil wants Melo and he will pay top dollar to get Melo and the other thing is that if there ever is a trade Melo will have the choice of where he wants to go. You see Phil never had the power over Melo. It's Melo's call.

admit it? Did you read my posts?

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

When you think about it, LBJ asking for the max is about right, he essentially carried the load, wade played half a season, and bosh is no super star. Both bosh and wade deserve about 12 mill at best, he came to help them, they didn't go to cleveland.

All these guys asking melo to come play with them, and yet he has his own team in NY and he can't recruit guys to come here and play with him and Zen master..smh, this guy can't be that stupid.

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

lebron is a tool, I agree, but one thing is that he took less money before and being the best player in the league for years has never been the highest paid player on his team.... so I can understand why he wants to get paid..

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Yes, but using examples of people who got their money after thirty then take a pay cut is stupid. Dirk hadn't won a title yet. He was putting up great numbers(better) but like I said if you are going to use the gee wiz look how he sacrificed tactic why not choose someone who actually sacrificed when they were young. A player who sacrificed more than 2-3M a year would be nice too.

Melo has been playing heavy minutes since he was 18-19yrs old

Dirk was eased in

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

lebron is a tool, I agree, but one thing is that he took less money before and being the best player in the league for years has never been the highest paid player on his team.... so I can understand why he wants to get paid..

The money is negligible compared to endorsements and legacy. Its all about the "I gottsta gets my money" factor. It does not make sense.

Why does Lebron NEED max money? He will be a rich and famous man forever - max money is all about posturing and ego.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

When you think about it, LBJ asking for the max is about right, he essentially carried the load, wade played half a season, and bosh is no super star. Both bosh and wade deserve about 12 mill at best, he came to help them, they didn't go to cleveland.

All these guys asking melo to come play with them, and yet he has his own team in NY and he can't recruit guys to come here and play with him and Zen master..smh, this guy can't be that stupid.

He has 3.3 million to recruit with. Not the same as what these other guys are working with. Maybe he can recruit next offseason if he is still in NY.

Carmelo Anthony is still on his own free agency tour, but he asked for fellow free agent Pau Gasol’s phone number on Friday with the intention of recruiting him to the Knicks (Wojnarowski, July 3).

Gasol, 33, is seen as most likely to land in Chicago or Oklahoma City. However, while Gasol is seeking $10 million annually, he may be willing to take the $5.3 million midlevel exception if the right circumstance presents itself.

While Anthony has had meetings with the Bulls, Rockets, and Lakers, the Knicks are confident they’ll be able to hang on to him. That confidence,
according to Wojnarowski, has been buoyed by Anthony’s reported interested in recruiting Gasol to New York

Papabear wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:So if melo takes the max until he is 36 like dirk and then takes a 12 million dollar pay cut heading into a year where he would turn 37 he would be learning about sacrificing for the team? My guess is Melo does that but he would be 35 at the end of his next contract. P

So you don't think Melo should take a discount to stay?

I don't get it. Sounds like some posters would be dissatisfied if he does the smart thing and gives his knicks a discount

Athletes and sports owners don't live in a logical world. Whats logical about Lebron wanting a max contract which would hurt the Heat in trying to fill out the roster? Whats logical about Morey, noted 'Metrics-guy wanting Melo on his team? Whats logical about offering Gordon Hayward a max contract? Ben Gordon getting the contract he signed? What's logical about Gortat's deal? Etc....

These owners and GMS talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I agree that some GM's make desperate illogical moves that's how we ended up in this mess.

Lebron is a tool for taking the max but then again, he was always a narcissistic tool.

Morey wanting Melo actually makes a lot of sense being that they already have key players in place so to overpay for Melo would be the right move as a final piece to a playoff team. And, melo's has become a more efficient player he is no AI.

Would it really shock you if Melo got the max or very close to it? If this happens, whats the new perception of Phil?

It would not shock me and its not up to Phil. Its up to Melo. Phil has no choice here, he is not letting Melo walk for nothing. He will give him the max if that is what Melo requires.

It would be a really stupid move by melo to take the max IMHO. GAME OF CHESS, your move mr anthony ...

So let me get this straight, before the FA started Phil had all the cards regarding Melo and the money he can offer him but now its up to Melo? Come now. If Phil doesn't want Melo he doesn't have to pay Melo. He can do a S&T if he wants but he chooses to say that's off the table.

Should he take less to make it slightly easier for the Knicks to add players? I think so but the organization and Melo are each responsible. I think he should do a little under the Highest salary this year, 5.5% decrease, 7.5% decrease, 7.5% increase, and 7.5% increase

If phil can do a good S/T he would. He can't make a bad trade or let him walk for nothing. He can always sign him to the max if that is his only choice and maybe unload him later.

Melo has to want or be willing to take a discount. I believe that he holds all the cards at this point.

It sux that lebron will get the max because Melo need to do what Lebron do.

Papabear Says

Why don't you admit it!! Phil needs Melo and Phil wants Melo and he will pay top dollar to get Melo and the other thing is that if there ever is a trade Melo will have the choice of where he wants to go. You see Phil never had the power over Melo. It's Melo's call.

Okay then...man you really LOVE Melo. Papabear can I make this my sig? For real it's too funny. Not that it's totally wrong, but just the way you said it is hilarious.

melo should go for the most money he can get - it's the smart thing to do.

once you get to that 35+ age range, your views on life probably change so other things are more important. dirk is there. melo is not.