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GustavBahler
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6/30/2014  7:00 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
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GustavBahler wrote:Jameer Nelson is available. I would try to trade Prigs and see if we can add Nelson as a backup. He averaged 12 and 7 last season

I wiuldn't mind trading Prigs, but Nelson's defense sucks too. We need someone who can hold Steph Curry to 35 instead of the usual 50 he drops on us.

He would still be an upgrade from prigs. Nelson would be coming off the bench so stopping Curry would mostly be on whoever is starting or the SG. Curry can go off on anyone,so I wouldn't use him as an example of why Nelson shouldn't be signed.

The problem is that we have possibly the worse PG defender in the league starting for us. We saw this storyline play out for last year. If Calderon is our starter, then we need someone who can pinch hit for him from time to time. Toronto had Lowry while Dallas had Ellis and Devin Harris. We need to handcuff Calderon to a defender.

Worse than Felton? Find that hard to believe. We don't have a lot of cap space this season, I don't know who is out there who fits the bill. Would rather have a backup PG who isn't allergic to the rim. At least we would get that with Nelson.
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6/30/2014  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2014  7:51 PM
Jerryd Bayless is the guy I want if we're really in the market for another ball-handling guard. I'd offer him the security of a semi-long term deal (3 yrs?) at reasonable pay based on his limited production in the league thus far. I'd also offer him the starting PG role and over 30 mins a night...Why? Because I see the potential for much more than what he's shown so far and I'd be willing to take a chance that he could fulfill his original promise coming out of Arizona (where he was a STUD as a freshman)...Worse case is he's a talented rotation combo guard at a good price (could always be moved later); best case is he turns into a star with the more mins and responsibility...Let's take a shot here -- maybe we uncover a big-time gem at a great rate as early as year 1. If so, we'd be in the driver's seat for a couple of years -- we'd have a great deal in place that bridges him right to his full Bird rights and we keep him or at least put ourselves in position to be the favorites to keep him. I mean WTF are we talking about here -- go get the best talent possible at whatever position you're looking to shore up. That's what we need to be doing, with or w/o Melo...If we're looking to get another PG-type (which I agree with btw -- I'd like more in place than Calderon, Larkin and Pablo), Bayless is a much better option than Tour'e Murry...Bayless by a mile talent-wise and it's not even close. I see a real opportunity to get lucky & steal a deluxe talent here...Take the shot -- the upside potential far outweighs the minimal risk by a wide margin..
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6/30/2014  7:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Jameer Nelson is available. I would try to trade Prigs and see if we can add Nelson as a backup. He averaged 12 and 7 last season

I wiuldn't mind trading Prigs, but Nelson's defense sucks too. We need someone who can hold Steph Curry to 35 instead of the usual 50 he drops on us.

He would still be an upgrade from prigs. Nelson would be coming off the bench so stopping Curry would mostly be on whoever is starting or the SG. Curry can go off on anyone,so I wouldn't use him as an example of why Nelson shouldn't be signed.

The problem is that we have possibly the worse PG defender in the league starting for us. We saw this storyline play out for last year. If Calderon is our starter, then we need someone who can pinch hit for him from time to time. Toronto had Lowry while Dallas had Ellis and Devin Harris. We need to handcuff Calderon to a defender.

Worse than Felton? Find that hard to believe. We don't have a lot of cap space this season, I don't know who is out there who fits the bill. Would rather have a backup PG who isn't allergic to the rim. At least we would get that with Nelson.

Yeah, even worse than Felton.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135705/trade-grades-mavs-reclaim-tyson-chandler

On the perimeter, Felton has been an average defender for a point guard as measured by ESPN's Real Plus-Minus (-1.2 points per 100 possessions). That makes him a major upgrade on Calderon, one of the league's worst defenders by the same measure (-3.6 points per 100 possessions).

His defensive stats on 82games don't do him any favors either. Nelson has just been waived, so his signing would be low risk. But he doesn't address our biggest weakness at the position.
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6/30/2014  7:58 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Jameer Nelson is available. I would try to trade Prigs and see if we can add Nelson as a backup. He averaged 12 and 7 last season

I wiuldn't mind trading Prigs, but Nelson's defense sucks too. We need someone who can hold Steph Curry to 35 instead of the usual 50 he drops on us.

He would still be an upgrade from prigs. Nelson would be coming off the bench so stopping Curry would mostly be on whoever is starting or the SG. Curry can go off on anyone,so I wouldn't use him as an example of why Nelson shouldn't be signed.

The problem is that we have possibly the worse PG defender in the league starting for us. We saw this storyline play out for last year. If Calderon is our starter, then we need someone who can pinch hit for him from time to time. Toronto had Lowry while Dallas had Ellis and Devin Harris. We need to handcuff Calderon to a defender.

Worse than Felton? Find that hard to believe. We don't have a lot of cap space this season, I don't know who is out there who fits the bill. Would rather have a backup PG who isn't allergic to the rim. At least we would get that with Nelson.

Yeah, even worse than Felton.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135705/trade-grades-mavs-reclaim-tyson-chandler

On the perimeter, Felton has been an average defender for a point guard as measured by ESPN's Real Plus-Minus (-1.2 points per 100 possessions). That makes him a major upgrade on Calderon, one of the league's worst defenders by the same measure (-3.6 points per 100 possessions).

His defensive stats on 82games don't do him any favors either. Nelson has just been waived, so his signing would be low risk. But he doesn't address our biggest weakness at the position.

Wow, not good, not good at all. Probably means that Phil isn't done yet, not sure how he will make it happen.


Since you have insider do you think you could post that article about the Knicks being the worst spenders? Curious to see how they break it down.
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6/30/2014  8:04 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Jameer Nelson is available. I would try to trade Prigs and see if we can add Nelson as a backup. He averaged 12 and 7 last season

I wiuldn't mind trading Prigs, but Nelson's defense sucks too. We need someone who can hold Steph Curry to 35 instead of the usual 50 he drops on us.

He would still be an upgrade from prigs. Nelson would be coming off the bench so stopping Curry would mostly be on whoever is starting or the SG. Curry can go off on anyone,so I wouldn't use him as an example of why Nelson shouldn't be signed.

The problem is that we have possibly the worse PG defender in the league starting for us. We saw this storyline play out for last year. If Calderon is our starter, then we need someone who can pinch hit for him from time to time. Toronto had Lowry while Dallas had Ellis and Devin Harris. We need to handcuff Calderon to a defender.

Worse than Felton? Find that hard to believe. We don't have a lot of cap space this season, I don't know who is out there who fits the bill. Would rather have a backup PG who isn't allergic to the rim. At least we would get that with Nelson.

Yeah, even worse than Felton.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135705/trade-grades-mavs-reclaim-tyson-chandler

On the perimeter, Felton has been an average defender for a point guard as measured by ESPN's Real Plus-Minus (-1.2 points per 100 possessions). That makes him a major upgrade on Calderon, one of the league's worst defenders by the same measure (-3.6 points per 100 possessions).

His defensive stats on 82games don't do him any favors either. Nelson has just been waived, so his signing would be low risk. But he doesn't address our biggest weakness at the position.

Wow, not good, not good at all. Probably means that Phil isn't done yet, not sure how he will make it happen.


Since you have insider do you think you could post that article about the Knicks being the worst spenders? Curious to see how they break it down.


Sure. We come in 28th.
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6/30/2014  8:06 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Jameer Nelson is available. I would try to trade Prigs and see if we can add Nelson as a backup. He averaged 12 and 7 last season

I wiuldn't mind trading Prigs, but Nelson's defense sucks too. We need someone who can hold Steph Curry to 35 instead of the usual 50 he drops on us.

He would still be an upgrade from prigs. Nelson would be coming off the bench so stopping Curry would mostly be on whoever is starting or the SG. Curry can go off on anyone,so I wouldn't use him as an example of why Nelson shouldn't be signed.

The problem is that we have possibly the worse PG defender in the league starting for us. We saw this storyline play out for last year. If Calderon is our starter, then we need someone who can pinch hit for him from time to time. Toronto had Lowry while Dallas had Ellis and Devin Harris. We need to handcuff Calderon to a defender.

Worse than Felton? Find that hard to believe. We don't have a lot of cap space this season, I don't know who is out there who fits the bill. Would rather have a backup PG who isn't allergic to the rim. At least we would get that with Nelson.

Yeah, even worse than Felton.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135705/trade-grades-mavs-reclaim-tyson-chandler

On the perimeter, Felton has been an average defender for a point guard as measured by ESPN's Real Plus-Minus (-1.2 points per 100 possessions). That makes him a major upgrade on Calderon, one of the league's worst defenders by the same measure (-3.6 points per 100 possessions).

His defensive stats on 82games don't do him any favors either. Nelson has just been waived, so his signing would be low risk. But he doesn't address our biggest weakness at the position.

Wow, not good, not good at all. Probably means that Phil isn't done yet, not sure how he will make it happen.


Since you have insider do you think you could post that article about the Knicks being the worst spenders? Curious to see how they break it down.


Sure. We come in 28th.

Lol, I meant the actual article.
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6/30/2014  8:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Jameer Nelson is available. I would try to trade Prigs and see if we can add Nelson as a backup. He averaged 12 and 7 last season

I wiuldn't mind trading Prigs, but Nelson's defense sucks too. We need someone who can hold Steph Curry to 35 instead of the usual 50 he drops on us.

He would still be an upgrade from prigs. Nelson would be coming off the bench so stopping Curry would mostly be on whoever is starting or the SG. Curry can go off on anyone,so I wouldn't use him as an example of why Nelson shouldn't be signed.

The problem is that we have possibly the worse PG defender in the league starting for us. We saw this storyline play out for last year. If Calderon is our starter, then we need someone who can pinch hit for him from time to time. Toronto had Lowry while Dallas had Ellis and Devin Harris. We need to handcuff Calderon to a defender.

Worse than Felton? Find that hard to believe. We don't have a lot of cap space this season, I don't know who is out there who fits the bill. Would rather have a backup PG who isn't allergic to the rim. At least we would get that with Nelson.

Yeah, even worse than Felton.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135705/trade-grades-mavs-reclaim-tyson-chandler

On the perimeter, Felton has been an average defender for a point guard as measured by ESPN's Real Plus-Minus (-1.2 points per 100 possessions). That makes him a major upgrade on Calderon, one of the league's worst defenders by the same measure (-3.6 points per 100 possessions).

His defensive stats on 82games don't do him any favors either. Nelson has just been waived, so his signing would be low risk. But he doesn't address our biggest weakness at the position.

Wow, not good, not good at all. Probably means that Phil isn't done yet, not sure how he will make it happen.


Since you have insider do you think you could post that article about the Knicks being the worst spenders? Curious to see how they break it down.


Sure. We come in 28th.

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6/30/2014  10:20 PM
Murray could have been brought back given a shot,

The Knick team with mixture of over 30yr olds and rooks are going to be
Old & Slow. Possibly stink

The Team if Melo isn't back really gonna stink next yr, teams with new faces just don't gel overnight
especially not in big expectation year 2014/15

If this doesn't make up Melo mind to bolt

Can u say Roster is
Amare Stout
MELO ? ? ? ?
JR Smith
S.Dalembert Wayne Ellington ?
rookes (2014)
Shane Larkin (injury prone)
Andrea B. (injury prone)
Shump ? ? ? ?
Cleanthony E. rookie
Shannon Brown

Why isn't Alridge giving a shot ?


Carmelo Anthony aint coming' back to this !

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