dk7th wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here's a stat for the number crunchers

Melo attempted 310 field goals in his 12 games before the Pacers eliminated the Knicks.

LeBron, who is in second place and 12 shots back will likely pass Melo in Game 2 of the Finals. For now, Melo has the lead despite playing five fewer playoff games than LeBron and scoring 91 fewer points.

I wish I could find that video spoof of the Knicks where Woodson is telling Copelnd 'you don't shoot, Melo shoots'. Melo is going to have to change his rep of being a ball stopper if he wants to get a serious guy like Rose excited about the prospect of playing together.

if you were rose would you enjoy playing with a player like melo? you'd think seeing the spurs dominate would have opened they eyes of many many people.

it is not rose job to recruit players, I agree with him. Honestly I think he didn't like lebron and I don't think he likes carmelo at all.. so I don't blame him... If the bulls want to bring in guys, then the GM needs to sell that to the player.. Rose just needs to play...

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here's a stat for the number crunchers

Melo attempted 310 field goals in his 12 games before the Pacers eliminated the Knicks.

LeBron, who is in second place and 12 shots back will likely pass Melo in Game 2 of the Finals. For now, Melo has the lead despite playing five fewer playoff games than LeBron and scoring 91 fewer points.

I wish I could find that video spoof of the Knicks where Woodson is telling Copelnd 'you don't shoot, Melo shoots'. Melo is going to have to change his rep of being a ball stopper if he wants to get a serious guy like Rose excited about the prospect of playing together.

if you were rose would you enjoy playing with a player like melo? you'd think seeing the spurs dominate would have opened they eyes of many many people.

it is not rose job to recruit players, I agree with him. Honestly I think he didn't like lebron and I don't think he likes carmelo at all.. so I don't blame him... If the bulls want to bring in guys, then the GM needs to sell that to the player.. Rose just needs to play...

Could this also be because he liked Deng as a teammate? Not sure about this at all but I know Deng's teammates and coch were very upset about that trade.

BUT they had deng when they recruited lebron. I just think he either has that competitive edge where he wants to win with the cast of guys that they have, without trying to get another big name player... or maybe the recruiting just isn't his thing.

I do remember when they had some rumors involving noah, rose was like really backing noah, saying that is his guy and he is going to roll with him.. maybe the dude is loyal.. when you go out and recruit guys you have to look your teamates in the eyes after you basically said, I am helping recruit someone to take your minutes... so it is just better that he leaves the recruiting up to management...

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here's a stat for the number crunchers

Melo attempted 310 field goals in his 12 games before the Pacers eliminated the Knicks.

LeBron, who is in second place and 12 shots back will likely pass Melo in Game 2 of the Finals. For now, Melo has the lead despite playing five fewer playoff games than LeBron and scoring 91 fewer points.

I wish I could find that video spoof of the Knicks where Woodson is telling Copelnd 'you don't shoot, Melo shoots'. Melo is going to have to change his rep of being a ball stopper if he wants to get a serious guy like Rose excited about the prospect of playing together.

if you were rose would you enjoy playing with a player like melo? you'd think seeing the spurs dominate would have opened they eyes of many many people.

and yet Mr. Defense always comes first Tom Thibs wants who? Melo. Who's the FA thats getting the red carpet rolled tonight at midnight? Oh yea... Melo. Keep up your crusade... maybe someone will listen.

Well that's because they have other pieces around that are better than the one dimensional scorer. It's not like he said there wouldn't be teams interested in Melo services next year. Its not like Tyson who doesn't like Melo respects his game enough to publicly say he will recruit Melo to the Mavs. Its not like Houston will trade away former Mr KNICK savior Lin, who is Mr. Team/ Smart/High IQ/humble pg. Thibs is just playcating to the fan base. He knows he doesn't want a player who allowed opponents to shoot 37.2% against him on his team. Can't coach him up at all.

To still a line from game of thrones... you know nothing fishmike.

I cant even tell if thats a serious post or not.

Lets deal with truth.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all ready to offer Melo a max contract.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all playoff teams looking to take the next level and compete for a title.
*** yea I know the Lakers, who are the best run org in sports missed the playoffs last year.

So I can say, without expressing my opinion, simply stating what is reality that the competitive market for Melo is a max contract and that market is being set by playoff teams, two of which have won titles under their current management in the last few years.

Well I um. I um. I don't really care what those other teams do because I am a kNick fan true and blue since before you could spell Walt CLyde Frazier and that is not his value to the knicks. If Phil does offer him over $15M it will be because Dolan forced his hand and because Melo is a greedy money grabber who is a negative sum/ fools goal/ Whole Milk/ empty calorie/ sucralose/Boca burger/ type player.

Papabear Says

15 million?? Who are you gonna get? So you really think we are gonna get a super star? LeBron wants 22 million to sign now. Thank goodness Phil knows what time it is and no matter what he says in the press to satisfy your anger or dream of him waving a magic wand and in 3 - 4 years we have a contender. I don't think so. New York is the place where people like chase fools gold. They pretend they are coming just to force other teams to raise their offer. Phil was a great coach just like Jason Kidd was a great point guard. But look a Kidd now. I trust that Jackson will fair better. he is now older and the challenge is even greater because he has no Michael Jordan, no Kobe, no Scottie,No Shaq. So tell me again how aer we are going to get this championship thing?? Who's coming??

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here's a stat for the number crunchers

Melo attempted 310 field goals in his 12 games before the Pacers eliminated the Knicks.

LeBron, who is in second place and 12 shots back will likely pass Melo in Game 2 of the Finals. For now, Melo has the lead despite playing five fewer playoff games than LeBron and scoring 91 fewer points.

I wish I could find that video spoof of the Knicks where Woodson is telling Copelnd 'you don't shoot, Melo shoots'. Melo is going to have to change his rep of being a ball stopper if he wants to get a serious guy like Rose excited about the prospect of playing together.

if you were rose would you enjoy playing with a player like melo? you'd think seeing the spurs dominate would have opened they eyes of many many people.

and yet Mr. Defense always comes first Tom Thibs wants who? Melo. Who's the FA thats getting the red carpet rolled tonight at midnight? Oh yea... Melo. Keep up your crusade... maybe someone will listen.

Well that's because they have other pieces around that are better than the one dimensional scorer. It's not like he said there wouldn't be teams interested in Melo services next year. Its not like Tyson who doesn't like Melo respects his game enough to publicly say he will recruit Melo to the Mavs. Its not like Houston will trade away former Mr KNICK savior Lin, who is Mr. Team/ Smart/High IQ/humble pg. Thibs is just playcating to the fan base. He knows he doesn't want a player who allowed opponents to shoot 37.2% against him on his team. Can't coach him up at all.

To still a line from game of thrones... you know nothing fishmike.

I cant even tell if thats a serious post or not.

Lets deal with truth.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all ready to offer Melo a max contract.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all playoff teams looking to take the next level and compete for a title.
*** yea I know the Lakers, who are the best run org in sports missed the playoffs last year.

So I can say, without expressing my opinion, simply stating what is reality that the competitive market for Melo is a max contract and that market is being set by playoff teams, two of which have won titles under their current management in the last few years.

Well I um. I um. I don't really care what those other teams do because I am a kNick fan true and blue since before you could spell Walt CLyde Frazier and that is not his value to the knicks. If Phil does offer him over $15M it will be because Dolan forced his hand and because Melo is a greedy money grabber who is a negative sum/ fools goal/ Whole Milk/ empty calorie/ sucralose/Boca burger/ type player.

meloshouldgo wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here's a stat for the number crunchers

Melo attempted 310 field goals in his 12 games before the Pacers eliminated the Knicks.

LeBron, who is in second place and 12 shots back will likely pass Melo in Game 2 of the Finals. For now, Melo has the lead despite playing five fewer playoff games than LeBron and scoring 91 fewer points.

I wish I could find that video spoof of the Knicks where Woodson is telling Copelnd 'you don't shoot, Melo shoots'. Melo is going to have to change his rep of being a ball stopper if he wants to get a serious guy like Rose excited about the prospect of playing together.

if you were rose would you enjoy playing with a player like melo? you'd think seeing the spurs dominate would have opened they eyes of many many people.

and yet Mr. Defense always comes first Tom Thibs wants who? Melo. Who's the FA thats getting the red carpet rolled tonight at midnight? Oh yea... Melo. Keep up your crusade... maybe someone will listen.

Well that's because they have other pieces around that are better than the one dimensional scorer. It's not like he said there wouldn't be teams interested in Melo services next year. Its not like Tyson who doesn't like Melo respects his game enough to publicly say he will recruit Melo to the Mavs. Its not like Houston will trade away former Mr KNICK savior Lin, who is Mr. Team/ Smart/High IQ/humble pg. Thibs is just playcating to the fan base. He knows he doesn't want a player who allowed opponents to shoot 37.2% against him on his team. Can't coach him up at all.

To still a line from game of thrones... you know nothing fishmike.

I cant even tell if thats a serious post or not.

Lets deal with truth.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all ready to offer Melo a max contract.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all playoff teams looking to take the next level and compete for a title.
*** yea I know the Lakers, who are the best run org in sports missed the playoffs last year.

So I can say, without expressing my opinion, simply stating what is reality that the competitive market for Melo is a max contract and that market is being set by playoff teams, two of which have won titles under their current management in the last few years.

Well I um. I um. I don't really care what those other teams do because I am a kNick fan true and blue since before you could spell Walt CLyde Frazier and that is not his value to the knicks. If Phil does offer him over $15M it will be because Dolan forced his hand and because Melo is a greedy money grabber who is a negative sum/ fools goal/ Whole Milk/ empty calorie/ sucralose/Boca burger/ type player.

Has any team actually offered the max to Melo? You guys are salivating on Offers that may not even materialize? Wow! The Bulbs made a trade offer for Love. They did nothing for Melo.... Any ideas why golden boy isn't even worth a trade offer from a team dying to give him the max?

And you even post like this is already reality. Amazing.

The people making the market value argument, do you agree that Lin is making his true value? Should the Knicks have matched Lins contract based on this line of reasoning? How do you assess value? I look at what i get per dollar spent based on what's available.

As far as I can tell Melo has done less dollar per dollar for the Knicks than Lin. I don't care about individual awards. I

How does Melo's production per game divided by his salary per game stack up against Lin's?
What is your parameter for assessing value? If we give him the max now and suck for 4 more years will you be satisfied because the Lakers were "going to offer" him the max?

Markets are irrational anyone can overvalue anything does that mean we should trip over our own feet to buy overpriced goods because someone else is willing to pay for it?

Just asking questions here because I don't follow the train of thought. I am not saying Linn and Melo are the same level no stupid rants please. I am asking what is your yardstick for measuring value? I am also making the case that for what Lin made here when he was a knick he was far better value than Melo ever was.

So because you read or heard reports about teams trading for love that is a certified fact but the reports about what teams are willing to offer Melo it isn't really? Interesting. Also they're were reports during the season but Melo was off limits. You also do not make offers to trade for a FA until you need too.

As to Lin: I liked him thought the Knicks should have matched however do I think he is getting paid to the value of a back up pg? No, I do not. Its not about that its about what Morey a smart "NBA genius" is willing to do to get Melo despite overtures about how Melo is not a player GMs like him would want.

Lin was great in NY and they let him go. Lin was good/great in Houston and you know what, they want to let him go just waiting to push send on a trade to get him out of town.

yellowboy90 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here's a stat for the number crunchers

Melo attempted 310 field goals in his 12 games before the Pacers eliminated the Knicks.

LeBron, who is in second place and 12 shots back will likely pass Melo in Game 2 of the Finals. For now, Melo has the lead despite playing five fewer playoff games than LeBron and scoring 91 fewer points.

I wish I could find that video spoof of the Knicks where Woodson is telling Copelnd 'you don't shoot, Melo shoots'. Melo is going to have to change his rep of being a ball stopper if he wants to get a serious guy like Rose excited about the prospect of playing together.

if you were rose would you enjoy playing with a player like melo? you'd think seeing the spurs dominate would have opened they eyes of many many people.

and yet Mr. Defense always comes first Tom Thibs wants who? Melo. Who's the FA thats getting the red carpet rolled tonight at midnight? Oh yea... Melo. Keep up your crusade... maybe someone will listen.

Well that's because they have other pieces around that are better than the one dimensional scorer. It's not like he said there wouldn't be teams interested in Melo services next year. Its not like Tyson who doesn't like Melo respects his game enough to publicly say he will recruit Melo to the Mavs. Its not like Houston will trade away former Mr KNICK savior Lin, who is Mr. Team/ Smart/High IQ/humble pg. Thibs is just playcating to the fan base. He knows he doesn't want a player who allowed opponents to shoot 37.2% against him on his team. Can't coach him up at all.

To still a line from game of thrones... you know nothing fishmike.

I cant even tell if thats a serious post or not.

Lets deal with truth.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all ready to offer Melo a max contract.

True or false:
The Mavs, Rockets, Bulls and Lakers are all playoff teams looking to take the next level and compete for a title.
*** yea I know the Lakers, who are the best run org in sports missed the playoffs last year.

So I can say, without expressing my opinion, simply stating what is reality that the competitive market for Melo is a max contract and that market is being set by playoff teams, two of which have won titles under their current management in the last few years.

Well I um. I um. I don't really care what those other teams do because I am a kNick fan true and blue since before you could spell Walt CLyde Frazier and that is not his value to the knicks. If Phil does offer him over $15M it will be because Dolan forced his hand and because Melo is a greedy money grabber who is a negative sum/ fools goal/ Whole Milk/ empty calorie/ sucralose/Boca burger/ type player.

Has any team actually offered the max to Melo? You guys are salivating on Offers that may not even materialize? Wow! The Bulbs made a trade offer for Love. They did nothing for Melo.... Any ideas why golden boy isn't even worth a trade offer from a team dying to give him the max?

And you even post like this is already reality. Amazing.

The people making the market value argument, do you agree that Lin is making his true value? Should the Knicks have matched Lins contract based on this line of reasoning? How do you assess value? I look at what i get per dollar spent based on what's available.

As far as I can tell Melo has done less dollar per dollar for the Knicks than Lin. I don't care about individual awards. I

How does Melo's production per game divided by his salary per game stack up against Lin's?
What is your parameter for assessing value? If we give him the max now and suck for 4 more years will you be satisfied because the Lakers were "going to offer" him the max?

Markets are irrational anyone can overvalue anything does that mean we should trip over our own feet to buy overpriced goods because someone else is willing to pay for it?

Just asking questions here because I don't follow the train of thought. I am not saying Linn and Melo are the same level no stupid rants please. I am asking what is your yardstick for measuring value? I am also making the case that for what Lin made here when he was a knick he was far better value than Melo ever was.

So because you read or heard reports about teams trading for love that is a certified fact but the reports about what teams are willing to offer Melo it isn't really? Interesting. Also they're were reports during the season but Melo was off limits. You also do not make offers to trade for a FA until you need too.

As to Lin: I liked him thought the Knicks should have matched however do I think he is getting paid to the value of a back up pg? No, I do not. Its not about that its about what Morey a smart "NBA genius" is willing to do to get Melo despite overtures about how Melo is not a player GMs like him would want.

Lin was great in NY and they let him go. Lin was good/great in Houston and you know what, they want to let him go just waiting to push send on a trade to get him out of town.

To the first part of your comment actually "yes" i do. When a team proposes a trade it is an explicit display of interest in someone. That the team is showing. When a team is reported to be considering some future action that is still largely conjecture by the media and may or may not have anything if substance associated to it.

Doesn't the Lin point make the case that NY should not try to pay Market Value because the market tends to overvalue players? I meanwe aretalking aboutthe Dameexact GM in Morey here. The second point is how much value a team assesses to any given player is situational. A team already close to contending may find Melo to be the piece that gets them there and may be willing to pay a lot more to get him. That in no way increases his value to a team like the Knicks which was my counterpoint to the point that was being made by Fishmike in his original post earlier.

meloshouldgo wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So because you read or heard reports about teams trading for love that is a certified fact but the reports about what teams are willing to offer Melo it isn't really? Interesting. Also they're were reports during the season but Melo was off limits. You also do not make offers to trade for a FA until you need too.

As to Lin: I liked him thought the Knicks should have matched however do I think he is getting paid to the value of a back up pg? No, I do not. Its not about that its about what Morey a smart "NBA genius" is willing to do to get Melo despite overtures about how Melo is not a player GMs like him would want.

Lin was great in NY and they let him go. Lin was good/great in Houston and you know what, they want to let him go just waiting to push send on a trade to get him out of town.

To the first part of your comment actually "yes" i do. When a team proposes a trade it is an explicit display of interest in someone. That the team is showing. When a team is reported to be considering some future action that is still largely conjecture by the media and may or may not have anything if substance associated to it.

Doesn't the Lin point make the case that NY should not try to pay Market Value because the market tends to overvalue players? I meanwe aretalking aboutthe Dameexact GM in Morey here. The second point is how much value a team assesses to any given player is situational. A team already close to contending may find Melo to be the piece that gets them there and may be willing to pay a lot more to get him. That in no way increases his value to a team like the Knicks which was my counterpoint to the point that was being made by Fishmike in his original post earlier.

They're both conjecture because we do not have proof one way or another all you can do is rely on the credibility of the reporter who is reporting.

Regarding What Melo is worth to the Kicks is not up to me or anyone here but if Phil feels he is worth the max maybe he sees this team differently than you do. So to Phil he is worth it.

meloshouldgo wrote:No disagreement on that. Except I haven't seen anything stating Phil feels he is worth the Marc. Not saying is not possible because it definitely is. On the trade propels I thought both sides had to acknowledge the trade proposal for it to be considered legit. Maybe that's not the case.

I haven't mentioned Max for Melo. I don't even know if Melo has asked for it or that Phil is willing to give it. They are reports recently that they were willing to but who really knows. That's why I don't brig up the "Max" term.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/484011841790566400