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fitzfarm
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6/28/2014  3:25 PM
What if Phil gets p gasol to come here on a one year promising a nicer contract next year... I can see this happening. Also Phil can lure his brother in next year and Paul can finish his career next to his family there also very close to Jose caldron. Next years line up could look like gasol,Amare,melo,jr,caldron with a bench of Tyler,brags,early,thjr,Larkin,shump,Greek,odom(who I don't see making the team)can get in there too.That team can make a run if healthy. But the year after gasol,gasol,melo,thjr,caldron bench Tyler(resigned),amare vet min,early,Greek freak,Larkin,
Shump and jr I think will be traded they don't fit the chemistry Phil wants...plus I think the freak could turn out better then shump. That last team could go all the way
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6/28/2014  6:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2014  6:04 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break

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6/28/2014  6:10 PM
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?
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6/28/2014  6:11 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?

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6/28/2014  6:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2014  6:16 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?


Maybe top 4 or generously top 6 in the league.
If you're only at the 2nd round level (top 8), you can't be considered a contender
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6/28/2014  6:16 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

Guys like him help coming in, help change the poisonous culture that has engulfed the team since Jimmy D became owner. I am pretty negative when it comes to the Knicks but there is no way having a guy like Pau on the team can be a bad thing, especially with the number of young guys that are here.

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6/28/2014  6:21 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11148045/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-chances-eye-pau-gasol

Sources told ESPN.com that Knicks officials, while not willing to trumpet it publicly with free agency fast approaching, are quietly confident about their odds of retaining Anthony thanks in part to the idea that new team president Phil Jackson and the high-scoring forward have "connected" to some degree.

Furthermore, one source close to the process told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne that Jackson is planning to make a determined attempt to try to recruit his former Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol to replace the freshly traded Tyson Chandler alongside Anthony on the Knicks' front line, despite the fact New York is limited to offering Gasol less than $4 million for next season.

Then after that we will with out a doubt target Marc Gasol in 2015 who would be great in the Triangle. Jose Calderon is Marc's best friend, Paul obviously is his brother. Looks like the Calderon trade has many levels to it.

LOL, are we recreating the Spanish National team?

Remmember I called this months ago Nard, so if it happens for 2015 I want my cookie!

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6/28/2014  6:29 PM
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

Guys like him help coming in, help change the poisonous culture that has engulfed the team since Jimmy D became owner. I am pretty negative when it comes to the Knicks but there is no way having a guy like Pau on the team can be a bad thing, especially with the number of young guys that are here.


We have a weak team in terms of youth. Getting a couple of 2nd round picks doesn't change that. Even in the strongest drafts in the league's history, most 2nd round picks don't amount to anything.
Most stats indicate that Pau gave up more than he produced last year, and had a net negative impact. That's not going to get better when he's in his 14th or 15th seasons. We only get 1 MLE (or whatever it's called now). I think it's a bad gamble to use it on him.
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6/28/2014  6:31 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?


Maybe top 4 or generously top 6 in the league.
If you're only at the 2nd round level (top 8), you can't be considered a contender

I think it is possible. Side note: In your opinion do you considered the spurs contenders 08-11. I mean during the regular season they got their 50 wins but in the playoffs they didn't achieve much?

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6/28/2014  6:32 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11148045/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-chances-eye-pau-gasol

Sources told ESPN.com that Knicks officials, while not willing to trumpet it publicly with free agency fast approaching, are quietly confident about their odds of retaining Anthony thanks in part to the idea that new team president Phil Jackson and the high-scoring forward have "connected" to some degree.

Furthermore, one source close to the process told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne that Jackson is planning to make a determined attempt to try to recruit his former Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol to replace the freshly traded Tyson Chandler alongside Anthony on the Knicks' front line, despite the fact New York is limited to offering Gasol less than $4 million for next season.

Then after that we will with out a doubt target Marc Gasol in 2015 who would be great in the Triangle. Jose Calderon is Marc's best friend, Paul obviously is his brother. Looks like the Calderon trade has many levels to it.

LOL, are we recreating the Spanish National team?

Remmember I called this months ago Nard, so if it happens for 2015 I want my cookie!

If it happens, I'll give up the ante and give you two cookies, lol. I'm hoping your right about it, although that would be one of the worst defensive teams of all-time.

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6/28/2014  7:06 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

Guys like him help coming in, help change the poisonous culture that has engulfed the team since Jimmy D became owner. I am pretty negative when it comes to the Knicks but there is no way having a guy like Pau on the team can be a bad thing, especially with the number of young guys that are here.


We have a weak team in terms of youth. Getting a couple of 2nd round picks doesn't change that. Even in the strongest drafts in the league's history, most 2nd round picks don't amount to anything.
Most stats indicate that Pau gave up more than he produced last year, and had a net negative impact. That's not going to get better when he's in his 14th or 15th seasons. We only get 1 MLE (or whatever it's called now). I think it's a bad gamble to use it on him.

How much impact do you feel playing in MDA's system had to do with those advanced stats over playing in the Triangle where he flourished the most?

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6/28/2014  7:08 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?


Maybe top 4 or generously top 6 in the league.
If you're only at the 2nd round level (top 8), you can't be considered a contender

I think it is possible. Side note: In your opinion do you considered the spurs contenders 08-11. I mean during the regular season they got their 50 wins but in the playoffs they didn't achieve much?

can you explain why?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/28/2014  7:10 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11148045/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-chances-eye-pau-gasol

Sources told ESPN.com that Knicks officials, while not willing to trumpet it publicly with free agency fast approaching, are quietly confident about their odds of retaining Anthony thanks in part to the idea that new team president Phil Jackson and the high-scoring forward have "connected" to some degree.

Furthermore, one source close to the process told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne that Jackson is planning to make a determined attempt to try to recruit his former Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol to replace the freshly traded Tyson Chandler alongside Anthony on the Knicks' front line, despite the fact New York is limited to offering Gasol less than $4 million for next season.

Then after that we will with out a doubt target Marc Gasol in 2015 who would be great in the Triangle. Jose Calderon is Marc's best friend, Paul obviously is his brother. Looks like the Calderon trade has many levels to it.

LOL, are we recreating the Spanish National team?

Remmember I called this months ago Nard, so if it happens for 2015 I want my cookie!

If it happens, I'll give up the ante and give you two cookies, lol. I'm hoping your right about it, although that would be one of the worst defensive teams of all-time.

I just would want them to be good enough to get to the 2nd round for the first step. Keep our draft picks and groom replacements for Calderon and Pau. Then maybe flip Calderon and or Pau to other contenders when they have 1 yr left to keep the ball rolling.

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6/28/2014  7:11 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?


Maybe top 4 or generously top 6 in the league.
If you're only at the 2nd round level (top 8), you can't be considered a contender

exactly right. top 4 yes, top 6 is stretching the definition of contending. i think an argument can be made that the spurs have been at least top 6 during all this time.

dynasty no. force yes. which seems more impressive? barring last year's unprecedented collapse, duncan would have 6 just like jordan.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/28/2014  7:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2014  7:32 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?


Maybe top 4 or generously top 6 in the league.
If you're only at the 2nd round level (top 8), you can't be considered a contender

I think it is possible. Side note: In your opinion do you considered the spurs contenders 08-11. I mean during the regular season they got their 50 wins but in the playoffs they didn't achieve much?


That's a good question. I was really thinking of the east when I made the comment about the 2nd round. The Spurs were probably contenders those years but they would have at least made it to the conference finals in the east. Most years 7 or 8 of the top 10 teams are in the west.
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6/28/2014  7:31 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

Guys like him help coming in, help change the poisonous culture that has engulfed the team since Jimmy D became owner. I am pretty negative when it comes to the Knicks but there is no way having a guy like Pau on the team can be a bad thing, especially with the number of young guys that are here.


We have a weak team in terms of youth. Getting a couple of 2nd round picks doesn't change that. Even in the strongest drafts in the league's history, most 2nd round picks don't amount to anything.
Most stats indicate that Pau gave up more than he produced last year, and had a net negative impact. That's not going to get better when he's in his 14th or 15th seasons. We only get 1 MLE (or whatever it's called now). I think it's a bad gamble to use it on him.

How much impact do you feel playing in MDA's system had to do with those advanced stats over playing in the Triangle where he flourished the most?


Probably almost none. He's just old and has 2 bad knees.
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6/28/2014  9:54 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:At $4mm per year, I don't see how anyone could not like this move

because Gasol will be 40 by the time we're a good team?

And you know that how exactly? He's 33 now. Give me a ****ing break


It's an exaggeration. But seriously, what's the quickest a team has ever gone from .400 and no foundation to championship contention?

what do you consider championship contention?


Maybe top 4 or generously top 6 in the league.
If you're only at the 2nd round level (top 8), you can't be considered a contender

I think it is possible. Side note: In your opinion do you considered the spurs contenders 08-11. I mean during the regular season they got their 50 wins but in the playoffs they didn't achieve much?

Papabear Says

Look I think that the Spurs are a great team but no way do I think they will repeat. I think the way they lost the year before made them play harder and at a level that they won't reach again. Who knows maybe I'm wrong. Now it's the Heats turn to come back and they will. They will buy this championship right out of the NBA hand. The Knicks hands are tied and it will take 5 years in order for the Knicks to be taken serious. If Melo leaves Phil Jackson will have no chance at all.

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6/29/2014  1:14 PM
Simply ridiculous papabear. First, the Spurs should have already repeated, so no reason why they can't do it this year. Miami pulling BS with the cap to make the super team even more super, will be even more motivation to slap their smug faces in the finals for the Spurs. The Heat have not been better than the Spurs in 2 years, the moves they make first have to catch them up. A rookie pg and maybe Lowry, will not make them better than the Spurs, maybe catch them up or move closer. The Spurs have some young guys who will only get better, the Heat lack depth and bench talent, plus losing Battier is huge, like Miller was last year. Finally, the Knicks, with or without Melo, will be a contender in 2 to 3 years, not at least 5 years.

As for other comments, there are more than 4 contenders some years, depends on who you meet in which round. Clippers were considered contenders this year, but matched up with OKC. If OKC matches up with the Spurs one round earlier, are they still not contenders. GSW and CHI were considered contenders and didn't even make it out of the 1st round. This game has been and always will be about matchups and buckets.

Also, Pau at a discount, is a major haul. Who cares if we rebuild the Spanish national team or the Lakers East, those have been solid to Championship level teams, something the Knicks have not been in a long time. I trust in Phil.

Looks like next step is trying to lure Paul Gasol.

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