BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

all of what high caliber teams Briggs? and honestly I could care less, the team I know isn't trying to get him are the spurs, that is the model I want to follow.. all of these other teams are not the model I want to follow..

This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball.

you are so right briggs and guess what, the spurs seem to be smarter than every team in the NBA over the past 17 years, and guess what they don't have? a player that resembles carmelo.. so again, why should we be chasing this bum?

Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him.

no he isn't.. and honestly what carmelo needs is an Allstar team around him and for that matter I can win with any player and an allstar cast...

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

Briggs how old do you want to get.. I like gasol but in a year he will be close to 35 and carmelo in two years close to 32 by time we get durant.. and if I have durant why in the hell do i want any parts of carmelo.. how many SF's do you want.. if we can land durant I want a PG like rondo, and hell I could live with gasol because he is a passer and facilitator.... It is like you insist on fitting square pieces in round holes... let me ask you.. is there basketball life without carmelo briggs?.. or do you and others see him as the Greatest but unluckiest player in the history of all of sports and maybe after 15 years the knicks are the team that will happen to get it right? because it seems that you just can't get past not having him here.. I could see this had we won 5 championships like duncan in San antonio, but damn, the carmelo era has been a failure and you are trying to figure our ways for us to have 4 more years of this? GEEZ!!!!

LMFAO

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

Briggs how old do you want to get.. I like gasol but in a year he will be close to 35 and carmelo in two years close to 32 by time we get durant.. and if I have durant why in the hell do i want any parts of carmelo.. how many SF's do you want.. if we can land durant I want a PG like rondo, and hell I could live with gasol because he is a passer and facilitator.... It is like you insist on fitting square pieces in round holes... let me ask you.. is there basketball life without carmelo briggs?.. or do you and others see him as the Greatest but unluckiest player in the history of all of sports and maybe after 15 years the knicks are the team that will happen to get it right? because it seems that you just can't get past not having him here.. I could see this had we won 5 championships like duncan in San antonio, but damn, the carmelo era has been a failure and you are trying to figure our ways for us to have 4 more years of this? GEEZ!!!!

It doesn't matter if Gasol is 33 or that Melo is 30 as long as the Knicks keep there draft picks going forward. Spurs with a 35 yr old Duncan and 30+ yr old Ginobli and 30 yr old Parker drafted George Hill at #26 who built up his value by being in playoff basketball environment behind Parker. They were able to then flip Hill for the #15 pick Leonard who is now the leader of the new school for the Spurs.

You want to entice a guy like Durant to come the Knicks need to be in playoff basketball not in a rebuild situation. I don't see Lebron or any other stars begging to play in Philly or Utah or Orlando who are all loaded with young talent and cap space.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

Well great 2 was generous. I was thinking that's only if you have Lebron or Durant.
But yes, I definitely do want him in place - at a salary appropriate for a great #3 man (since we can't depend on getting Lebron or Durant and getting away with Melo at #2).
You can't pay Melo $20+ mil per and have room for 2 more superstars.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

Well great 2 was generous. I was thinking that's only if you have Lebron or Durant.
But yes, I definitely do want him in place - at a salary appropriate for a great #3 man (since we can't depend on getting Lebron or Durant and getting away with Melo at #2).
You can't pay Melo $20+ mil per and have room for 2 more superstars.

Having Melo and 2 other superstars on the team is unrealistic. Situations like Miami created are an exception not the norm. More realistic goal would be to imitate what Dallas did a couple of yrs ago.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

Well great 2 was generous. I was thinking that's only if you have Lebron or Durant.
But yes, I definitely do want him in place - at a salary appropriate for a great #3 man (since we can't depend on getting Lebron or Durant and getting away with Melo at #2).
You can't pay Melo $20+ mil per and have room for 2 more superstars.

Having Melo and 2 other superstars on the team is unrealistic. Situations like Miami created are an exception not the norm. More realistic goal would be to imitate what Dallas did a couple of yrs ago.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

tkf--Im with you and many others that we initially paid too much for Melo that it hamstrung us as a team. That being said--why do you think all of these high caliber clubs are chomping at the bit to get Melo? This is what these guys do for a living and they are likely way smarter than me or you or anyone else who posts here about basketball. Melo is a great player but ANY player needs efficient parts to go around him. Id rather HAVE Melo on the team if he would like to stay in a way that we can have other parts that make it work.

because Melo is a great #2 or 3 man on a team with better players in place. As a franchise player making $20 to 25 mil per, it's a disaster though.

Bonn--wouldnt you want Melo a great player in place? You're saying he's a great #2--isnt it smartre to have him in place as a number 2 to the exception of having to start from scratch? Melo avg 3o points per game--what if we add Gasol next year and Durant the following year--I think that would be a formidable squad? IN ADDITION to some of the athletic y0outh we have added for roles.

Well great 2 was generous. I was thinking that's only if you have Lebron or Durant.
But yes, I definitely do want him in place - at a salary appropriate for a great #3 man (since we can't depend on getting Lebron or Durant and getting away with Melo at #2).
You can't pay Melo $20+ mil per and have room for 2 more superstars.

Having Melo and 2 other superstars on the team is unrealistic. Situations like Miami created are an exception not the norm. More realistic goal would be to imitate what Dallas did a couple of yrs ago.

The plan is a failure from the outset. We don't have anything close to Dirk in his prime and are years away from having the kind of supporting cast they had.

Same as Anji you guys expect a team to be an immediate championship calibre team first yr assembled or its a failure. Again unrealistic, you seem to believe either you rebuild or you are a championship team but it doesn't work that way.

I really would like to see the computations that Bonn and DK7 run, we need to get those to Phil before he signs Melo to 1 dollar more then he should......and if we have enough time, we should go fix moreys computer. It obviously needs an upgrade.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Same as Anji you guys expect a team to be an immediate championship calibre team first yr assembled or its a failure. Again unrealistic, you seem to believe either you rebuild or you are a championship team but it doesn't work that way.