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tkf
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6/26/2014  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  2:58 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We couldn't get Afflalo for that dirt cheap price? WTF is Phil doing?

You can't blame Phil because Orlando doesn't know what it's doing. If you step back and think about our trade you realize Dallas was one of the few places, if the only place, that we could get good value for Chandler when packaged with Felton (due to chandler's overrated legacy there). If you have a problem with our trade you are probably disappointed by any trade unless we get a star. It was a nice haul.

Dude, I'm not worried about the other trade. I'm just taking about this particular deal. With the picks we have now, you don't think we could've fielded a better offer for Afflalo? Let's be honest, he might be one of the top 5 SG's in the league. That is the kind of player we should've been targeting.

well fournier is 21, talented and on a rookie deal.. this is what orlando has on their team now.. maybe we could have offered shumpert... but I just don't think that teams are high on our players as we are..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/26/2014  3:50 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
RonRon wrote:NarddogNation

Orlando is sending him out West and NOT to a possible contender

Other teams do not serve the NYK's, they do not think "HOW CAN WE MAKE NYK BETTER"

in fact, like PapaBear as pointed out in the past, I believe they make us overpay for talents and enjoy raping us
With Phil Jackson in charge now, I am hoping things will change, and it was mainly because they hated Dolan too much
Hoping it was Dolan was an idiot that they knew they could take advantage off and was a douche

As for as Phil Jackson, even as his first GIG as President of Operations
He has earned the respect in the league, one of his strengths is dealing with all different types of personalities

What are we or the Magic contending for? Draft picks?


The Eastern Conference?

It isn't a smart idea to make your own contenders stronger, with that said unless The Magic somehow use this cap space and make something happen, I think they can easily could have gotten a much better deal
Fournier can develop to a rotation SG at best, and that is the best case scenario in my opinion

Had they waited to the DRAFT, I believe they could have easily got 2-3 picks, with one possibly being a FUTURE pick
I don't know but this seems much more to a Jared Jeffries type of deal from Walsh to Houston, to clear up cap space to go after 2 BIG NAMES to me
Except Orlando isn't announcing to the world their plans are to pursue them
Could be a Lebron and CA combo or just Lebron with some solid FA's like Deng/Hawes

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6/26/2014  4:14 PM
Denver got him at a low price but they never should have dumped him anyway. The only problem is they better hope the team has a good year and makes the playoff/ get out of the 1st round. Afflalo has a player option after the season so next year he could be gone. It's a nice one year rental.
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6/26/2014  4:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  4:52 PM
tkf wrote:
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We couldn't get Afflalo for that dirt cheap price? WTF is Phil doing?

You can't blame Phil because Orlando doesn't know what it's doing. If you step back and think about our trade you realize Dallas was one of the few places, if the only place, that we could get good value for Chandler when packaged with Felton (due to chandler's overrated legacy there). If you have a problem with our trade you are probably disappointed by any trade unless we get a star. It was a nice haul.

orlando doesn't know what they are doing? really? orlando has positioned themselves nicely over the past year or so..

Oh please, that trade is idiotic. Fournier is nearly worthless and the 56th pick in the draft for a borderline all-star last year is an awful trade. Orlando has positioned themselves nicely? They are one of the worst teams in the league. It would seem in your mind everyone is positioned nicely but the Knicks.

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6/26/2014  6:18 PM
Very nice move for Denver.

Random question would any of you take Javale Mcgee off Denvers hands for the #11 pick if offered?

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6/26/2014  6:46 PM
Phil should get on the phone with Orlando to offer them Amar'e, Shump, and Larkin.
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6/26/2014  7:13 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Very nice move for Denver.

Random question would any of you take Javale Mcgee off Denvers hands for the #11 pick if offered?

What #11 pick?

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6/26/2014  7:32 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Very nice move for Denver.

Random question would any of you take Javale Mcgee off Denvers hands for the #11 pick if offered?

What #11 pick?

There #11 pick and Mcgee for Bargs expiring.

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6/26/2014  7:33 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Very nice move for Denver.

Random question would any of you take Javale Mcgee off Denvers hands for the #11 pick if offered?

What #11 pick?

There #11 pick and Mcgee for Bargs expiring.

i cant see denver doing this. mcgee certainly was overpaid.

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6/26/2014  10:55 PM
Dagger wrote:
tkf wrote:
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We couldn't get Afflalo for that dirt cheap price? WTF is Phil doing?

You can't blame Phil because Orlando doesn't know what it's doing. If you step back and think about our trade you realize Dallas was one of the few places, if the only place, that we could get good value for Chandler when packaged with Felton (due to chandler's overrated legacy there). If you have a problem with our trade you are probably disappointed by any trade unless we get a star. It was a nice haul.

orlando doesn't know what they are doing? really? orlando has positioned themselves nicely over the past year or so..

Oh please, that trade is idiotic. Fournier is nearly worthless and the 56th pick in the draft for a borderline all-star last year is an awful trade. Orlando has positioned themselves nicely? They are one of the worst teams in the league. It would seem in your mind everyone is positioned nicely but the Knicks.

LOL how is it idiotic and how is forunier worthless? care to elaborate?

orlando does not need Aflalo... pay attention to what they are doing.. that team is full of babies, by the time they are matured aflalo will be over 30, they have positioned themselves well and if you don't think so look at that draft..

they now have Gordon and that payton kidd to add to that young roster that includes a young and very talented center and a potential stud in oladipo... Aflalo dosen't fit anymore with what they are doing...although he is a good player. it is called having and sticking to a plan..

Oladipo, vucevic, payton, Gordon? come on man!

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6/26/2014  11:26 PM
RonRon wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
RonRon wrote:NarddogNation

Orlando is sending him out West and NOT to a possible contender

Other teams do not serve the NYK's, they do not think "HOW CAN WE MAKE NYK BETTER"

in fact, like PapaBear as pointed out in the past, I believe they make us overpay for talents and enjoy raping us
With Phil Jackson in charge now, I am hoping things will change, and it was mainly because they hated Dolan too much
Hoping it was Dolan was an idiot that they knew they could take advantage off and was a douche

As for as Phil Jackson, even as his first GIG as President of Operations
He has earned the respect in the league, one of his strengths is dealing with all different types of personalities

What are we or the Magic contending for? Draft picks?


The Eastern Conference?

It isn't a smart idea to make your own contenders stronger, with that said unless The Magic somehow use this cap space and make something happen, I think they can easily could have gotten a much better deal
Fournier can develop to a rotation SG at best, and that is the best case scenario in my opinion

Had they waited to the DRAFT, I believe they could have easily got 2-3 picks, with one possibly being a FUTURE pick
I don't know but this seems much more to a Jared Jeffries type of deal from Walsh to Houston, to clear up cap space to go after 2 BIG NAMES to me
Except Orlando isn't announcing to the world their plans are to pursue them
Could be a Lebron and CA combo or just Lebron with some solid FA's like Deng/Hawes

That rationale only matters when both teams are competitive. Neither team is at this point.

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6/27/2014  2:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2014  2:51 AM
dk7th wrote:i have always liked his game. gritty and unselfish. glad they got him back.

He is a good player, but why are you glad they got him back? Not trying to be a dick...serious question.

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6/27/2014  6:47 AM
Nice draft. Not sure what the Sixers were thinking but the Nuggets got two picks and the better players.
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6/27/2014  8:03 AM
Gsus wrote:
dk7th wrote:i have always liked his game. gritty and unselfish. glad they got him back.

He is a good player, but why are you glad they got him back? Not trying to be a dick...serious question.

it's the gm in me. because i was not thrilled that they brought in iguodala in the first place, who i thought was a bad fit. turned out i was right about that. now if they can get gallinari back and if lawson can take the next step in orchestrating, denver should be able to climb in the west.

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6/27/2014  9:37 AM
Love Afflalo. The guy does everything. He can be a go to scorer but has no problem being a role player either. He's effective, unselfish, and plays both ends of the floor. I'd love to have him if he weren't 28 and we weren't looking like a team that might be going into rebuild mode.
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6/27/2014  11:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2014  11:51 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
RonRon wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
RonRon wrote:NarddogNation

Orlando is sending him out West and NOT to a possible contender

Other teams do not serve the NYK's, they do not think "HOW CAN WE MAKE NYK BETTER"

in fact, like PapaBear as pointed out in the past, I believe they make us overpay for talents and enjoy raping us
With Phil Jackson in charge now, I am hoping things will change, and it was mainly because they hated Dolan too much
Hoping it was Dolan was an idiot that they knew they could take advantage off and was a douche

As for as Phil Jackson, even as his first GIG as President of Operations
He has earned the respect in the league, one of his strengths is dealing with all different types of personalities

What are we or the Magic contending for? Draft picks?


The Eastern Conference?

It isn't a smart idea to make your own contenders stronger, with that said unless The Magic somehow use this cap space and make something happen, I think they can easily could have gotten a much better deal
Fournier can develop to a rotation SG at best, and that is the best case scenario in my opinion

Had they waited to the DRAFT, I believe they could have easily got 2-3 picks, with one possibly being a FUTURE pick
I don't know but this seems much more to a Jared Jeffries type of deal from Walsh to Houston, to clear up cap space to go after 2 BIG NAMES to me
Except Orlando isn't announcing to the world their plans are to pursue them
Could be a Lebron and CA combo or just Lebron with some solid FA's like Deng/Hawes

That rationale only matters when both teams are competitive. Neither team is at this point.

I guess, however, especially with Philly, they have many YOUNG talented players locked in to rookie deals
However, many have high ceilings that if they ever reach their potential, they will be looking for a big pay day
So as a small market team, will they fear that day, before it comes, similar to why OKC was unwilling to keep Harden despite his value and potential

They currently will have much CAP space from now to 2017 to develop these talents and attract ALL STAR's and/or a combination of 2nd Tier/3rd Tier STARs to go to Philly

As of now

MCW
Noel
Embid

KC McDaniels

Forms a young VERY TOUGH DEFENSIVE core

add in some talents like

SG/SF in KC McDaniels (a young Matt Barnes like talent)
Dario Saric *Toni Kukoc lite, though currently without a Jordan or Pippen like talent*

Other draft picks
======================
Jeremi Grant
Vasilje Micic *another big PG/SG* who is compared to Jose Calderon in NBADRAFT.NET
Nemanja Dangubic *a BIG SG*
Jordan McRae *another SG*

Current roster of
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Thad Young *very good rebounder, big SF/PF that is highly efficient with a player option after next season that could be part of their future or traded for assets*

Moultrie *had high potential as a athletic PF with the ability to score and shoot, similar to STAT/Bosh if reaches his ceiling*

Tony Wroten *solid 2 way player*

Pierre Jackson is traded back to Philly with the team that drafted him last season in the Holiday/Noel's deal and I can see him growing/developing in to at least a 6th man type role
I know he is "small" but he plays BIG and has the great ability to score/facilitate with his speed/quickness/athleticism/ ability to handle the ball/penetrate and finish/ and facilitate
He also has 2 players in MCW and Wroten that could help him on DEF and recover in time, in addition to some other PG, SG's, and SG/SF's, now they still have a lot of cap space to fill it in

Players under contract in rookie deals that I have no knowledge of
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Elliot Williams
Jarvis Varnado

With the recovery of both Embid and Noel,
in addition to their many predicted HIGH picks coming in, they are looking to continue to tank for those ping pongs balls

DENVER STAYS GRINDING...

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