gunsnewing wrote:I can understand the cap hold but you try to get his stock up then trade him. Shouldn't be hard now that he is not "coached" by Woodson

we been trying to boost this kids value since we got him....we've already replaced him on the current roster with JR, ThJr, Shannon Brown, Toure Murry, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin, Calderon, Pablo and 2 second rounder picks.....so I say we trade him asap and don't look back

I am looking forward to reading about Phil's next moves. This off-season should be fun.

EnySpree wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I can understand the cap hold but you try to get his stock up then trade him. Shouldn't be hard now that he is not "coached" by Woodson

we been trying to boost this kids value since we got him....we've already replaced him on the current roster with JR, ThJr, Shannon Brown, Toure Murry, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin, Calderon, Pablo and 2 second rounder picks.....so I say we trade him asap and don't look back

Ellington is another high character guy. Hopefully he just hasn't been put in the right role. He can hit the three.

Ellington has potential as three and D guy. But he can't create his own shot or finish in the paint. He's a decent bench guy. The Heat could use him.

plenty of video showing him taking guys off the dribble and all the way to the basket. dude is a decent back up and an adequate replacement for Shump as a player off the bench. Dude reminds me of every guard Phil has ever coached.

i'm loving this...so much basketball stuff going on.

Wayne Ellington
Scouting report
+ Shooter with range; deadly when left unguarded in catch-and-shoot situations.
+ Produces little inside the arc. Below-average ability to create offense.
+ Solid on-ball defender who lacks versatility to guard most small forwards.
Analysis
Ellington can shoot. But until last season, that skill had never gotten him above replacement level. Now Dallas hopes he can consolidate the gains of 2012-13 and become a dependable 3-and-defense option off the bench.
Ellington's utility is limited by his size, because he's not big enough to play more than niche minutes at 3. He's shown potential at the 2, though he's not likely to ever be a starting-caliber player. Ellington needs space to be efficient, and last season was more focused on moving without the ball. A career-high 74 percent of his field goals came off assists, which suggests he has stopped trying to be a primary scorer. His rate of 2-point attempts fell by 9.4 percent, and since he always has struggled to finish inside the arc and draws few fouls, that change helped his true shooting percentage climb over league average for the first time.
Ellington's 3-point and free-throw percentage show how well he shoots when he gets clean looks. According to Synergy Sports, Ellington ranked in the 88th percentile on catch-and-shoot situations when left unguarded, but it fell to the 53rd percentile when he was contested. His inability to develop effective counter moves against closeouts is what limits his ceiling. He's also poor coming off screens because of the need to set his feet when shooting. He's a decent ballhandler and one-on-one player, but that's not his future.
On defense, Ellington has solid metrics on the ball, and last season was more focused on chipping in on the defensive glass. He's no stopper, but his athleticism and background in pressure defense serve him well.

EnySpree wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Yall are crazy to want to trade this man..Why on earth would or should we trade him.....every team needs a tony allen, khawi leaonard....When shump got hurt this past year..our defense was horrible..smith and hardawasy couldnt gaurd tim duncan if he was the Pg...If Jackson is smart he would keep out 2 young stars in shump and hardaway and get rid of jr and his contract some how....yall crazy

Tony Allen isn't on the same planet as Kawahi Leonard....Shump isn't on either of their levels.

Just saying that to me says you are a media clone. I don't mean to pick a fight with you but seriously...you don't trade Shump because he can play a little defense? Shump hasn't stopped anyone his whole career. On good defensive play every other game is not a elite defender. Shump is a free agent soon and we will have to pay him. He's not worth the investment....the knicks have to shop him while they can.

besides...Shannon Brown is a better player than Shump is on both sides of the ball and he was out the league before the Knicks picked him up. What does that say? Even Wayne Ellington is an adequate replacement.

Bottom like we have already replaced Shumpert 4 times on this roster as is and we might even draft a player to replace him....so motherfletcher he needs to go!

Shannon brown is a much better player??..welll your the fool, n you dont wantno fight son!! the Coaches def didnt agree with you...smh Im not responding to you know more you just lost credibility if you ever had any......you dont build around shumpert...hes the type of player that does dirty woork doesnt care about scoring and thats going to leave it all on the floor everynight...he was hurt for a year how can you get better, when your rehabbing....Look at Amare, He worked on his game, n less rehab and he's bring something to the table miaimi could of used post presence.....

dwiley20 wrote:Yall are crazy to want to trade this man..Why on earth would or should we trade him.....every team needs a tony allen, khawi leaonard....When shump got hurt this past year..our defense was horrible..smith and hardawasy couldnt gaurd tim duncan if he was the Pg...If Jackson is smart he would keep out 2 young stars in shump and hardaway and get rid of jr and his contract some how....yall crazy

Nobody wanted Shump to harness his potential more than me and I was on the Shump bandwagon for way too long in typical "Knicks fan overrating late first round picks".

All that being said, did you really just type Shump and Kawhi Leonard in the same sentence? Shump is nowhere near the player Kawhi has developed into. He's a finals MVP! Elite defender, which is Shump's best quality and in reality his D is way overrated by Knicks fans. And finally while never being touted as a great scorer Kawhi has developed a nice 3 point shot, and he finishes around the rim. Shump on the other hand has never shot over 40% and is inexplicably horrible around the rim, baffling for a guy who is so athletic.

Shump is a fringe 10-12 man right now and only worth a low first round if a team overrates his value. Sad to say it but true. This guy hasn't developed a lick.

dwiley20 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Yall are crazy to want to trade this man..Why on earth would or should we trade him.....every team needs a tony allen, khawi leaonard....When shump got hurt this past year..our defense was horrible..smith and hardawasy couldnt gaurd tim duncan if he was the Pg...If Jackson is smart he would keep out 2 young stars in shump and hardaway and get rid of jr and his contract some how....yall crazy

Tony Allen isn't on the same planet as Kawahi Leonard....Shump isn't on either of their levels.

Just saying that to me says you are a media clone. I don't mean to pick a fight with you but seriously...you don't trade Shump because he can play a little defense? Shump hasn't stopped anyone his whole career. On good defensive play every other game is not a elite defender. Shump is a free agent soon and we will have to pay him. He's not worth the investment....the knicks have to shop him while they can.

besides...Shannon Brown is a better player than Shump is on both sides of the ball and he was out the league before the Knicks picked him up. What does that say? Even Wayne Ellington is an adequate replacement.

Bottom like we have already replaced Shumpert 4 times on this roster as is and we might even draft a player to replace him....so motherfletcher he needs to go!

Shannon brown is a much better player??..welll your the fool, n you dont wantno fight son!! the Coaches def didnt agree with you...smh Im not responding to you know more you just lost credibility if you ever had any......you dont build around shumpert...hes the type of player that does dirty woork doesnt care about scoring and thats going to leave it all on the floor everynight...he was hurt for a year how can you get better, when your rehabbing....Look at Amare, He worked on his game, n less rehab and he's bring something to the table miaimi could of used post presence.....

What dirty work does Shump do? that in itself says hes worth nothing to this team. The fool is the person that keep talking about stuff that Shump brings that he has never brung....how do you lose credibility for not agreeing with a stupid statement putting tony allen, Kahwai Leonard and Shump in the same breath....Shump getting hurt made our defense suffer? so Shump is the anchor of our defense? Credibility? I mean what are you even talking about?

why don't you Shump fans just write him directly? don't waste your time in these Knick forums. Knickstape

nixluva wrote:Shumpert is still young and capable of taking a big step up in his game. I find it funny how quickly people are giving up on him and yet other teams are rumored to want him. Shump has not been able to develop as fast as he should due to injury and poor coaching recently. I'd love to see this kid with better coaching and a system that makes sense. This is not to say he can't be traded, but he's not a bum and still has value as a prospect. This dysfunctional environment hasn't helped him. Maybe now he can be developed to reach his full potential.