fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo & Dolan's history suggests that he would get the player option and no trade claus. New York Knicks be dammed

do NBA contracts have no trade clauses? Im not sure thats in the CBA. I think once we sign him he ours to trade away.

I think the Knicks have talent, but like Phil said its a clumsy mix. Our parts dont work together, but some decent guard play will fix that.

well if you look at the CBA fish, I think trade clauses were eliminated in 1983, it had a very short shelf life..

BUT.. they do exist and there are stipulations... it is negotiated on a per contract basis.. here is the info.. from the CBA....

A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Very few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade provisions (currently only Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki have them).

I find it odd you did research on Tim Duncan's salary, because it suited your argument, I am sure you could have googled this info... But hey, I hope this helped..

yea if research is spending 30 seconds on basketballreference.com where I know player salaries are at the bottom of every page then OK. You find it odd because every word you type on this site is agenda based. Your either trying to trash Melo or pretending to talk about something else so you can say you do something beside bash Melo.

But yea... thanks for this.

yes that is research this isn't a college paper.. simple research.. 30 seconds can save you looking like a fool in some cases.. it is just well worth it.. don't you think?

and fish, why worry if I have an agenda.. you have an agenda, everyone does... why is it such a concern for you what I say about carmelo.. Honestly can you answer that... You have taken offense to this.. and don't tell me, you are tired of hearing it, because you can just ignore it... it all goes back to the fact that you flip flopped... which hey, thats fine, it's over now, but you seem to have a hard time living with that... that seems to be a fishmike problem, not a TKF one..

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We are already a very decent team

We need tweaks then a revamp in 2015.

But the east is weak and with solid tweaks and Anthony back this could all turn around.

You lost me after the first sentence. We're an older version of a .450 team and we have fewer resources for off-season improvement than most teams.

Bonn
Lets be fair
We were poor last year but we also showed signs of being good.
The year before we were good.
Its easier to have major pieces in place than to start over.
We need a new PG some quality youth and then in 2015 we can retool with major free agents--to have one in place already is the easiest path.

This is me--this is guys who have to go---JR Smith Felton Bargnanai Chandler---I like Amare and hope he stays healthy and we can resign him to a 2 years 10mm contract or something very cheap next year.

We need to execute and acquire 3 quality rookies--we need assets and youth. If that means trade for a 1 and buy 2 's or buy a 2 and 1 undrafted player---Im down.

From there we need to see who we can get rid of. A combination of quality youth and quality cheap vets sets us up nicely.

briggs by time we do all of that, how many years do you think passes by? 2? maybe 3? Ok at that point keeping carmelo who will be close to 34 accomplished what? the rest of the best players in the east will all be in their mid 20's and still getting better... it is not a recipe for success bro..

sometimes starting over can be a GREAT thing..

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tj23 wrote:Melo is gone and it's the right move for him. I can only hope Fish can get these guys to play defense physically and mentally or I could see us winning 20-25 games.

I'd rather have mreinman orchestrating the defense!

Wow! Do you really think that I can be a good orchestrator? I think you may be on to something here

My first move ... SIT AMARE

You no longer get my vote. You're too narrow minded. First move...sit Amar'e, Bargs, and Felton.

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We are already a very decent team

We need tweaks then a revamp in 2015.

But the east is weak and with solid tweaks and Anthony back this could all turn around.

You lost me after the first sentence. We're an older version of a .450 team and we have fewer resources for off-season improvement than most teams.

Bonn
Lets be fair
We were poor last year but we also showed signs of being good.
The year before we were good.
Its easier to have major pieces in place than to start over.
We need a new PG some quality youth and then in 2015 we can retool with major free agents--to have one in place already is the easiest path.

This is me--this is guys who have to go---JR Smith Felton Bargnanai Chandler---I like Amare and hope he stays healthy and we can resign him to a 2 years 10mm contract or something very cheap next year.

We need to execute and acquire 3 quality rookies--we need assets and youth. If that means trade for a 1 and buy 2 's or buy a 2 and 1 undrafted player---Im down.

From there we need to see who we can get rid of. A combination of quality youth and quality cheap vets sets us up nicely.

briggs by time we do all of that, how many years do you think passes by? 2? maybe 3? Ok at that point keeping carmelo who will be close to 34 accomplished what? the rest of the best players in the east will all be in their mid 20's and still getting better... it is not a recipe for success bro..

sometimes starting over can be a GREAT thing..

This.

Knicks are always chasing their tail while the rest of the league is off and running. And not looking back for the Knicks! Briggs scenario would be just another example. Going back to signing Allan Houston to $100m

speaking of Houston, dude was one of my favorite players.. quiet but very talented a bit underrated if you ask me.. but way overpaid.. I read some of the details of that negotiation and when layden spit out 100 mil, Houston himself said he was suprised and blown away, which leads me to believe that he was expecting no where near that amount.. only in knick land do you negotiate by starting at the very top of the scale...LOL

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We are already a very decent team

We need tweaks then a revamp in 2015.

But the east is weak and with solid tweaks and Anthony back this could all turn around.

You lost me after the first sentence. We're an older version of a .450 team and we have fewer resources for off-season improvement than most teams.

Bonn
Lets be fair
We were poor last year but we also showed signs of being good.
The year before we were good.
Its easier to have major pieces in place than to start over.
We need a new PG some quality youth and then in 2015 we can retool with major free agents--to have one in place already is the easiest path.

This is me--this is guys who have to go---JR Smith Felton Bargnanai Chandler---I like Amare and hope he stays healthy and we can resign him to a 2 years 10mm contract or something very cheap next year.

We need to execute and acquire 3 quality rookies--we need assets and youth. If that means trade for a 1 and buy 2 's or buy a 2 and 1 undrafted player---Im down.

From there we need to see who we can get rid of. A combination of quality youth and quality cheap vets sets us up nicely.

briggs by time we do all of that, how many years do you think passes by? 2? maybe 3? Ok at that point keeping carmelo who will be close to 34 accomplished what? the rest of the best players in the east will all be in their mid 20's and still getting better... it is not a recipe for success bro..

sometimes starting over can be a GREAT thing..

This.

Knicks are always chasing their tail while the rest of the league is off and running. And not looking back for the Knicks! Briggs scenario would be just another example. Going back to signing Allan Houston to $100m

speaking of Houston, dude was one of my favorite players.. quiet but very talented a bit underrated if you ask me.. but way overpaid.. I read some of the details of that negotiation and when layden spit out 100 mil, Houston himself said he was suprised and blown away, which leads me to believe that he was expecting no where near that amount.. only in knick land do you negotiate by starting at the very top of the scale...LOL

Wasn't it Ed Tapscott, interim GM at the time?

I loved H20 too until the ridiclous contract only the Knicks would give a flawed injured player

Think we are BEST to send him out for expirings and draft picks OUT WEST by eliminating competition
We need to combination of YOUNG players in all positions that make peanuts along with continued development players at the vet min like James Johnson/Cole ALrich/Kendall Marshall/Darrius Morris/Tourre Murry along with ALL STAR's in either 2015 or 2016 and a few complimentary role players/vets

Only way it sounds like we can keep CA is by OVERPAYING FOR HIM, in which we would not be able to build a TEAM
Also we have the MLE this summer to work with in addition to next years 2015 draft pick, ability to purchase draft picks/draft rights this summer and next year, along with undrafted talents

Knicks22 wrote:Having watched the Spurs demonstrate how great basketball can be with a 'hit the open man' philosophy, simply impossible to look forward to another year of a Melo-centric team.

That's kind've the entire point of the triangle; to decentralize the offense with teams that have ball dominant players see Kobe, Shaq, MJ.

RonRon wrote:Totally DISAGREE, don't know how many times Briggs will go back and forth, which one is the FINAL ANSWER

Think we are BEST to send him out for expirings and draft picks OUT WEST by eliminating competition
We need to combination of YOUNG players in all positions that make peanuts along with continued development players at the vet min like James Johnson/Cole ALrich/Kendall Marshall/Darrius Morris/Tourre Murry along with ALL STAR's in either 2015 or 2016 and a few complimentary role players/vets

Only way it sounds like we can keep CA is by OVERPAYING FOR HIM, in which we would not be able to build a TEAM
Also we have the MLE this summer to work with in addition to next years 2015 draft pick, ability to purchase draft picks/draft rights this summer and next year, along with undrafted talents

lol typical Briggs. Last week it was good riddance Melo, you screw us etc

Spurs, Heat, Mave, Lakers, Celtics were all older veteran teams because that's who wins championships. The talk about Melo turning 30 so he is going to turn to garbage is silly.