knicks1248 wrote:3 of the main reason I like what Amare brings

1)He gets to the line, he was 2nd on the team in FT's made and attempt despite being 8th in mins played. His main attribute is finishing around the rim (thats why he's so efficient), so im not sure why some here say he should pass more.

2)He Will buy in to any coaches system, thats very important.

3)He's a high character guy, and solid teammate, works hard, willing to learn, I mean the list of positves is way longer than the list of negatives.

Injuries & Defense, and those 2 negatives pretty much trumps all of his positives.

Maybe some of you should take a hard look around the league, BIG MEN ARE PREMIUM in today's NBA, and almost none of them are consistent, most are all face up big men, in fact I can't really think of one dominate PF in the damn league.

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Amar'e Stoudemire’s goal for next season is simple.

Stoudemire's Place

Amar'e Stoudemire is no stranger to adversity, but he's also one of the
all-time Knicks. Where does he rank?
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He wants to get back to being a dominant player.

“My goal next year is to have an All-Star caliber year to get back in the All-Star Game,” Stoudemire said recently on ESPN radio’s “Mike and Mike.” “And then be a great team player for my teammates in addition to contending for a championship.”

If Stoudemire does that, Derek Fisher will be a very happy man. Fisher needs to maximize what he has on the Knicks roster knowing that Phil Jackson probably won't make significant upgrades until 2015. So that means the Knicks will need help from what they already got.

Stoudemire played in 65 games this past season, averaging 11.9 points and 4.9 rebounds. Mike Woodson had Stoudemire start the season cautiously on a minutes restriction to preserve his knees.

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Will Amar'e Stoudemire make the All-Star team next season?

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64%
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Stoudemire came on strong toward the end of the season. He averaged 16.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in the month of March.

If Stoudemire can come close to those numbers and play 60 or more games again this coming season, that would be a nice bonus for Fisher’s squad. It remains to be seen how the first-year coach will utilize Stoudemire and how he will rest the power forward as well.

Stoudemire believes he will improve on last season just based on the fact that he can concentrate on improving his game this offseason as opposed to spending most of his time rehabbing.

The Knicks will need somebody to be an inside presence to go along with Carmelo Anthony, provided Anthony returns, and Stoudemire believes he can be a force again.

“My focus is at a high level right now,” Stoudemire said. “My body feels great and I’m out to prove the doubters wrong.”

I pulling for Amare big time, I hope this is the season where him and melo take NY by storm

they are the core of a "clumsy roster." no way they should be on the floor together.

maybe you should look at the triangle system again

trust me i have given this plenty of thought. but where do you see stoudemire playing in the triangle? or melo?

the same way horace grant, and gasol did, the mid range jumper is always their for a PF in the triangle

you have to be able to pass the ball in the triangle. stoudemire does not see the court, does not pass well, and he sure as hell can't play with his back to the basket. his lower body is weak so he can be pushed off the post fairly easily.

where does melo fit? please don't tell me you envision him in the jordan/bryant role.

Playing with his back to the basket is pretty much all he has done the last two years. His passing sucks but scoring in post ups is probably where most his points come from.

i have not seen this back to the basket game you speak of. is he any good at it since you claim to have seen this aspect of his game. hakeem's lessons did not pay dividends in my opinion. amare is effective in pick and roll, less so in pick and pop, and less so still in elbow iso. then there's his defense. i don't see him getting a whole bunch of minutes in the triangle if they run it next year.

i like amare stoudemire but his game is very limited.

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Amar'e Stoudemire’s goal for next season is simple.

Stoudemire's Place

Amar'e Stoudemire is no stranger to adversity, but he's also one of the
all-time Knicks. Where does he rank?
ESPN NY's Top 25 Knicks Photo Gallery Vote

He wants to get back to being a dominant player.

“My goal next year is to have an All-Star caliber year to get back in the All-Star Game,” Stoudemire said recently on ESPN radio’s “Mike and Mike.” “And then be a great team player for my teammates in addition to contending for a championship.”

If Stoudemire does that, Derek Fisher will be a very happy man. Fisher needs to maximize what he has on the Knicks roster knowing that Phil Jackson probably won't make significant upgrades until 2015. So that means the Knicks will need help from what they already got.

Stoudemire played in 65 games this past season, averaging 11.9 points and 4.9 rebounds. Mike Woodson had Stoudemire start the season cautiously on a minutes restriction to preserve his knees.

SportsNation
Will Amar'e Stoudemire make the All-Star team next season?

36%
Yes
64%
No
Discuss (Total votes: 211)
Stoudemire came on strong toward the end of the season. He averaged 16.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in the month of March.

If Stoudemire can come close to those numbers and play 60 or more games again this coming season, that would be a nice bonus for Fisher’s squad. It remains to be seen how the first-year coach will utilize Stoudemire and how he will rest the power forward as well.

Stoudemire believes he will improve on last season just based on the fact that he can concentrate on improving his game this offseason as opposed to spending most of his time rehabbing.

The Knicks will need somebody to be an inside presence to go along with Carmelo Anthony, provided Anthony returns, and Stoudemire believes he can be a force again.

“My focus is at a high level right now,” Stoudemire said. “My body feels great and I’m out to prove the doubters wrong.”

I pulling for Amare big time, I hope this is the season where him and melo take NY by storm

they are the core of a "clumsy roster." no way they should be on the floor together.

maybe you should look at the triangle system again

trust me i have given this plenty of thought. but where do you see stoudemire playing in the triangle? or melo?

the same way horace grant, and gasol did, the mid range jumper is always their for a PF in the triangle

you have to be able to pass the ball in the triangle. stoudemire does not see the court, does not pass well, and he sure as hell can't play with his back to the basket. his lower body is weak so he can be pushed off the post fairly easily.

where does melo fit? please don't tell me you envision him in the jordan/bryant role.

Playing with his back to the basket is pretty much all he has done the last two years. His passing sucks but scoring in post ups is probably where most his points come from.

i have not seen this back to the basket game you speak of. is he any good at it since you claim to have seen this aspect of his game. hakeem's lessons did not pay dividends in my opinion. amare is effective in pick and roll, less so in pick and pop, and less so still in elbow iso. then there's his defense. i don't see him getting a whole bunch of minutes in the triangle if they run it next year.

i like amare stoudemire but his game is very limited.

How many games did you actually watch? 31.8% of STAT's shots come from the post where he scores at .91 ppp. He gets fouled on 13.1% post possessions. His points per possession would look a whole lot better if he would pass but he doesn't. He also is prone to turnovers. It seem like he turned the ball over on his initial post up in every game where it would bounce off his shoe or he would step out. He still shoots 49% on post ups.

He is still a devastating roll man and cutter. He also shoots 49% on spot up attempts. Bottom line is STAT is an amazingly efficient scorer that does not pass and turns the ball over in certain situations but overall I think his TO% is pretty good for his USG%(I have not looked that up).

Can Fisher teach him to pass out of the post? I am not sure if Woody emphasized that or not.

Right now STAT is probably a better scoring(highly efficient) but worse passing overpaid version of David West. Of course Amar'e is a worse defender. David West is probably better than I give him credit for.

tkf wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Amar'e Stoudemire’s goal for next season is simple.

Stoudemire's Place

Amar'e Stoudemire is no stranger to adversity, but he's also one of the
all-time Knicks. Where does he rank?
ESPN NY's Top 25 Knicks Photo Gallery Vote

He wants to get back to being a dominant player.

“My goal next year is to have an All-Star caliber year to get back in the All-Star Game,” Stoudemire said recently on ESPN radio’s “Mike and Mike.” “And then be a great team player for my teammates in addition to contending for a championship.”

If Stoudemire does that, Derek Fisher will be a very happy man. Fisher needs to maximize what he has on the Knicks roster knowing that Phil Jackson probably won't make significant upgrades until 2015. So that means the Knicks will need help from what they already got.

Stoudemire played in 65 games this past season, averaging 11.9 points and 4.9 rebounds. Mike Woodson had Stoudemire start the season cautiously on a minutes restriction to preserve his knees.

SportsNation
Will Amar'e Stoudemire make the All-Star team next season?

36%
Yes
64%
No
Discuss (Total votes: 211)
Stoudemire came on strong toward the end of the season. He averaged 16.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in the month of March.

If Stoudemire can come close to those numbers and play 60 or more games again this coming season, that would be a nice bonus for Fisher’s squad. It remains to be seen how the first-year coach will utilize Stoudemire and how he will rest the power forward as well.

Stoudemire believes he will improve on last season just based on the fact that he can concentrate on improving his game this offseason as opposed to spending most of his time rehabbing.

The Knicks will need somebody to be an inside presence to go along with Carmelo Anthony, provided Anthony returns, and Stoudemire believes he can be a force again.

“My focus is at a high level right now,” Stoudemire said. “My body feels great and I’m out to prove the doubters wrong.”

I pulling for Amare big time, I hope this is the season where him and melo take NY by storm

I like your optimism but i dont think they fit well together or have ever fit. i mena we have been hearing "this is the year melo/amare domiante" for almost 4 years and it hasne happened. Next year most likely will be a transition year so we can get cap space and try again in 2015

amare and carmelo don't fit and they are not taking anything by storm. That is extreme optimism..but whatever...

I like amare and I want him to do well. His knees have betrayed him, but I think most expected this to happen, just not so soon. He has to find a way to reinvent himself. During some brief stints last year he showed some explosiveness and still has the ability to score in the paint. I am really getting a bit tired of hearing him talk about getting back to dominating. I don't think that is realistic. i would just like to see him healthy and consistently contribute and I think that is something he can still do for this team, albeit in a limited role.

Seriously I would be ecstatic with 70 games and 13 and 6 in 24 minutes. He still be an effective interior scorer for the Knicks, plus we need someone to score at an efficient clip

he'll be 40 years old in sioux falls telling people that he is working to bring back his hall of fame track

yellowboy90 wrote:Amar'e problem is defense. Until he starts trying consistently on that end all that rah rah good guy work hard blah blah blah doesn't fly with me.

Who would be an alternate option at his position, and I'm talking a player who's as efficient on offense and a beast on defense?

Seems to be what "real" stars are doing and its all the rage!