EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

actually not boring martin, I kind of look at it as lending a fellow knick a hand.... who may be a bit delusional, unrealistic and can't come to terms with what we are actually dealing with..

we suck martin.. we have no picks martin, we lack a lot, that is the truth.. we are not on the rise at all.. do I hope we get there martin, HELL YES!! but I refuse to pretend we are something we are not.. even if it tends too irritate folks who tend to ignore the reality we are in.

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

actually not boring martin, I kind of look at it as lending a fellow knick a hand.... who may be a bit delusional, unrealistic and can't come to terms with what we are actually dealing with..

we suck martin.. we have no picks martin, we lack a lot, that is the truth.. we are not on the rise at all.. do I hope we get there martin, HELL YES!! but I refuse to pretend we are something we are not.. even if it tends too irritate folks who tend to ignore the reality we are in.

"Up and coming" and "on the rise" probably aren't the right terms. They imply a nucleus is in place whereas we are starting anew with Phil hopefully purging this roster and remaking the team. So yeah, not up and coming but definitely if Dolan has handed the keys to Phil we are hopefully finally heading in the right direction and that's probably what the poster meant, IMO.

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Nothing against Melo but I kinda hopes he goes because i think teh Knicks needs a clean slate and i dont wnat to pay him a monster contract when he is already in his 30's. Im hoping we can get some assets/picks and infuse some young talent for teh first time in a while. Then next year we have plenty of cap space for the 2015 FA class

The dude is opting out of a 23 mill contract, you really think he's worried about a max contract.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Nothing against Melo but I kinda hopes he goes because i think teh Knicks needs a clean slate and i dont wnat to pay him a monster contract when he is already in his 30's. Im hoping we can get some assets/picks and infuse some young talent for teh first time in a while. Then next year we have plenty of cap space for the 2015 FA class

The dude is opting out of a 23 mill contract, you really think he's worried about a max contract.

What does that mean. He is opting out to add years to his contract, to protect himself against injuries.

tkf wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

actually not boring martin, I kind of look at it as lending a fellow knick a hand.... who may be a bit delusional, unrealistic and can't come to terms with what we are actually dealing with..

we suck martin.. we have no picks martin, we lack a lot, that is the truth.. we are not on the rise at all.. do I hope we get there martin, HELL YES!! but I refuse to pretend we are something we are not.. even if it tends too irritate folks who tend to ignore the reality we are in.

"Up and coming" and "on the rise" probably aren't the right terms. They imply a nucleus is in place whereas we are starting anew with Phil hopefully purging this roster and remaking the team. So yeah, not up and coming but definitely if Dolan has handed the keys to Phil we are hopefully finally heading in the right direction and that's probably what the poster meant, IMO.

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

but even handing he keys to phil doesn't make one "on the rise" either. phil is a rookie at this new job.. so once things start getting into motion and we get a feel for the direction we are headed in, then we can make such proclamations... so far we made no significant player moves, acquired no picks, we basically hired phil...and fisher..

now a team like the wizards.. they are "up and coming" and "on the rise" they have made the strides to indicate such...

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

True those things have to happen first, so we can actually asses if we are to be labeled as such. otherwise, every single team in the league with picks and fan hopes can be called "on the rise" and you and I know that is not the case...

Yeah, that's why i specificallysaid "up and coming" and "on the rise" weren't the right terms! I agreed with you there. What I meant was that with Phil coming in and Dolan ceding autonomy there is a sense of hope that the Knicks, finally, MAYBE, are "on the right track" (perhaps that's the right term; a general feeling along the fanbase that the franchise has a chance at stability and good management after years of idiocy). Of course, Phil could flame out or be a horrible Prez or Dolan can revert to his irrascible self and oust him before he can do anything substantial. Sure, any of those things are possible. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out.

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

actually not boring martin, I kind of look at it as lending a fellow knick a hand.... who may be a bit delusional, unrealistic and can't come to terms with what we are actually dealing with..

we suck martin.. we have no picks martin, we lack a lot, that is the truth.. we are not on the rise at all.. do I hope we get there martin, HELL YES!! but I refuse to pretend we are something we are not.. even if it tends too irritate folks who tend to ignore the reality we are in.

"Up and coming" and "on the rise" probably aren't the right terms. They imply a nucleus is in place whereas we are starting anew with Phil hopefully purging this roster and remaking the team. So yeah, not up and coming but definitely if Dolan has handed the keys to Phil we are hopefully finally heading in the right direction and that's probably what the poster meant, IMO.

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

but even handing he keys to phil doesn't make one "on the rise" either. phil is a rookie at this new job.. so once things start getting into motion and we get a feel for the direction we are headed in, then we can make such proclamations... so far we made no significant player moves, acquired no picks, we basically hired phil...and fisher..

now a team like the wizards.. they are "up and coming" and "on the rise" they have made the strides to indicate such...

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

True those things have to happen first, so we can actually asses if we are to be labeled as such. otherwise, every single team in the league with picks and fan hopes can be called "on the rise" and you and I know that is not the case...

Yeah, that's why i specificallysaid "up and coming" and "on the rise" weren't the right terms! I agreed with you there. What I meant was that with Phil coming in and Dolan ceding autonomy there is a sense of hope that the Knicks, finally, MAYBE, are "on the right track" (perhaps that's the right term; a general feeling along the fanbase that the franchise has a chance at stability and good management after years of idiocy). Of course, Phil could flame out or be a horrible Prez or Dolan can revert to his irrascible self and oust him before he can do anything substantial. Sure, any of those things are possible. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out.

i look at it like this: "culture change" is nothing short of demolition. the same sentiment prevailed when stern said that the knicks were not a model of intelligent management and basically forced dolan to smell the coffee and get walsh in there. we all knew that there was going to be two whole seasons of demolition before the start of something viable.

what happened next was simply dolan stepping in to try his hand at building something, which in retrospect he realized was a disastrous decision-- he admitted, shamefully late, that he had not idea what he was doing.

so... we are back to demolition mode, forced to weather a year of futility as contracts expire-- and yes carmelo anthiny is utterly irrelevant in the big picture and may even be a hindrance because both his attitude and his game are inappropriate for the modern era of the nba.

but culture change also means having a plan, a blueprint to work from. it becomes a question of whether you believe that jackson has the know-how to execute a strategy based upon the blueprint. is he a good architect? is he a good builder? we know he is an excellent foreman-- the best ever.

Stick it out and win in New York... boom, instant legend.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ToddTT wrote:Go somewhere else and maybe win a championship. Big deal.

Stick it out and win in New York... boom, instant legend.

Or, more likely, stick it out working for Dolan and deal with nothing but frustration for the rest of your career.

I think hiring Phil is an indication that the next 5 years will involve less decision making by Dolan.

Please let it mean that!

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

actually not boring martin, I kind of look at it as lending a fellow knick a hand.... who may be a bit delusional, unrealistic and can't come to terms with what we are actually dealing with..

we suck martin.. we have no picks martin, we lack a lot, that is the truth.. we are not on the rise at all.. do I hope we get there martin, HELL YES!! but I refuse to pretend we are something we are not.. even if it tends too irritate folks who tend to ignore the reality we are in.

"Up and coming" and "on the rise" probably aren't the right terms. They imply a nucleus is in place whereas we are starting anew with Phil hopefully purging this roster and remaking the team. So yeah, not up and coming but definitely if Dolan has handed the keys to Phil we are hopefully finally heading in the right direction and that's probably what the poster meant, IMO.

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

but even handing he keys to phil doesn't make one "on the rise" either. phil is a rookie at this new job.. so once things start getting into motion and we get a feel for the direction we are headed in, then we can make such proclamations... so far we made no significant player moves, acquired no picks, we basically hired phil...and fisher..

now a team like the wizards.. they are "up and coming" and "on the rise" they have made the strides to indicate such...

And we stand to suck next season, bad. So we actually may have a high pick in 2015 and enough space for 2 max FA's or certainly enough to put together a nice squad in 2015 and going forward. So the situation isn't as dire as many make it out to seem and it's even preferable in this sense if Melo leaves. We can hopefully build the team slowly and the right way.

True those things have to happen first, so we can actually asses if we are to be labeled as such. otherwise, every single team in the league with picks and fan hopes can be called "on the rise" and you and I know that is not the case...

Yeah, that's why i specificallysaid "up and coming" and "on the rise" weren't the right terms! I agreed with you there. What I meant was that with Phil coming in and Dolan ceding autonomy there is a sense of hope that the Knicks, finally, MAYBE, are "on the right track" (perhaps that's the right term; a general feeling along the fanbase that the franchise has a chance at stability and good management after years of idiocy). Of course, Phil could flame out or be a horrible Prez or Dolan can revert to his irrascible self and oust him before he can do anything substantial. Sure, any of those things are possible. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out.

ah.. ok I gotcha....

It'll definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out

and yes, very true..

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My good knick pal at work keeps harassing about this. He says Melo should wait it out and resign that way the Knicks can build around him.

I'm starting to think he should try to leave because at 30/31....His realistic window is like 3 more years at playing at a high level and he is going to be declining and possibly might stay to break down. Technically his shoulder issues say he is breaking down. Anyway the real opportunity is now for Melo to go somewhere he can win right away. If he goes to Houston he can have a big 3 of Harden and Howard and himself. If he conspires with miami he could have a big 4. Boston has alot of assets to trade plus money. Chicago has a foundation already in place.

Truthfully the Knicks are a step behind. They are up and coming though. We need to establish a foundation this year then look to add to it next year. Melo doesn't change any of that either way.

So what would you do if you were in that situation?

what evidence do you have of that? or is that just the fan in you with wishful thinking? knicks haven't done anything yet to show we are up and coming.. not one thing..

did you read the next two follow up sentences?

and yes it is wishful thinking...we just got Phil a few weeks ago and we just got Fisher a few days ago. He hasn't even hired a staff yet...the off season isn't officially here yet...the draft around the corner....change your coffee filter sometimes you crazy goat

tkf is here to make sure we all know that he thinks the Knicks suck, never a sentence missed in any thread. Most boring job in the world.

actually not boring martin, I kind of look at it as lending a fellow knick a hand.... who may be a bit delusional, unrealistic and can't come to terms with what we are actually dealing with..

we suck martin.. we have no picks martin, we lack a lot, that is the truth.. we are not on the rise at all.. do I hope we get there martin, HELL YES!! but I refuse to pretend we are something we are not.. even if it tends too irritate folks who tend to ignore the reality we are in.

So you are stating the obvious. Over and over and over and over and in every thread and it's the same retort to every post. Very boring indeed.

martin the fact that I am stating it over and over, it must not be so obvious for many..otherwise.. trust me, there would be no need for me to state it. I rather talk basketball and do so realistically.. If you think my retort to every post is the same, then I can only assume you haven't been reading many of my post... for instance my comments on the spurs and tony Gwynn , didn't have one negative knick comment in it... check it out..