Nalod wrote:Isn't Kyrie really another CP3?

I think he could be that if he wanted to. I think his skillset allows him to be any number of things.

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NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

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BigDaddyG wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Kyrie is not worth a max deal. Dude needs to learn how to play point guard first. He's super talented but he is not a point guard. Cavs as is have enough talent to win. They have the #1 pick so that should help that cause.....but they don't do anything until Kyrie learns how to pass and run a team and make his team better.

Agree, but John Wall got a max deal last year with many of the sane questions surrounding his game. There's no way I "settle" for less than max if I'm Kyrie's agent.

John Wall looks pretty good now and is getting close to a top 5 point guard.

Wall and a guy like Brandon Jennings finally figured out point guards make their money passing the ball and running the show.

Kyrie getting money isn't the issue. His game needs to change. He's not 6'8" so he can't be kobe. He's the point guard, he's gotta find his inner isiah thomas. He has all the tools to be that good. His team doesn't win with him playing the way he does.

Kobe's 6"6' and considering the physical advantage Kyrie has over PG's, there is no reason for him to not be able to do some of the same things.

But why would you want Kyrie being Kobe? Your point guard has to be able to run a team. Kyrie can't do that yet.

The triangle doesn't embrace a conventional PG because the system itself is what is used to find players' shots. That is why Kyrie Irving would be perfect, as he is, in the system because he's far more a scoring PG than a passing one. And when I look at him play on the court, he resembles a young Kobe Bryant with better, more meaningful ball handling skills, which allow me to think that he could fill that role well.

The comparison is hard for you to see because you probably envision Kobe to be the pure gunner that everyone mistakeningly characterizes him to be but the reality is that Kobe averaged about 5-6apg during his heyday. I think that Kyrie is the better passer and could outpace him in that respect but they are quite similar.

Well nobody was talking about the triangle. Kobe Bryant just because he averages high assists doesn't mean he's a point guard. Just like Lebron is a small fwd even though he's better than his teammates at every statistic. Kyrie is a Point guard. He doesn't have a pgs for game. He needs to develop that. He's not like Russell Westbrook. Westbrook is masquerading as a point guard but he's a scorer. Every time down Russell wants to shoot. They are different physically and Kyrie needs to be that floor general.

We hired both Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher and expect to acquire several more personnel just to run the triangle. At this point, I would've assumed that it was a foregone conclusion that any player we talk about and their ability to succeed as a Knick would be contingent on how well they fit into the triangle. As far as Kyrie is concerned, I think he can fit like a glove with his current skillset as a PG and do many of the same things that made Kobe, Kobe (minus the dunking ability).

The Hornets are mired with two very bad contracts (Tryeke Evans and Eric Gordon) and will likely create a third (Al Faruq Aminu). The Cavs have a disgruntled Irving that they might have to move, in spite of a win now mandate. And if we trade Melo to Chicago, we might have the assets necessary to catalyze a trade with both teams and get Irving. This would only be possible if Irving causes a big stink this offseason about re-signing but I like the mechanics of it.

CLE Trades: Kyrie Irving and Jarrett Jack
CLE Receives: Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler and Shabazz Napier

NO Trades: Jrue Holiday, Eric Gordon and Tryeke Evans
NO Receives: Elfrid Payton, Jarrett Jack, Andrea Bargnani and Amar'e Stoudemire

NYK Trades: Elfrid Payton, Jimmy Butler, Shabazz Napier, Andre Bargnani and Amare Stoudemire
NYK Receives: Kyrie Irving, Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans.

If we trade Chandler to OKC for their picks, we might be able to include them as well to grease the wheels.

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:This might be so crazy, it just might work....

The Hornets are mired with two very bad contracts (Tryeke Evans and Eric Gordon) and will likely create a third (Al Faruq Aminu). The Cavs have a disgruntled Irving that they might have to move, in spite of a win now mandate. And if we trade Melo to Chicago, we might have the assets necessary to catalyze a trade with both teams and get Irving. This would only be possible if Irving causes a big stink this offseason about re-signing but I like the mechanics of it.

CLE Trades: Kyrie Irving and Jarrett Jack
CLE Receives: Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler and Shabazz Napier

NO Trades: Jrue Holiday, Eric Gordon and Tryeke Evans
NO Receives: Elfrid Payton, Jarrett Jack, Andrea Bargnani and Amar'e Stoudemire

NYK Trades: Elfrid Payton, Jimmy Butler, Shabazz Napier, Andre Bargnani and Amare Stoudemire
NYK Receives: Kyrie Irving, Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans.

If we trade Chandler to OKC for their picks, we might be able to include them as well to grease the wheels.

Thats awesome!!!!

I'd say NO gets too much shaft on that trade.

Yeah, I think they are too. I forgot about THJr, who we could send there as well. I doubt it changes the dynamics of the trade much but at least they get two prospects they could rest their hat on. If we could figure out a way to get them more assets, I think something like this might have legs. Then again, maybe they might benefit from flat out sucking in the interim. I never understood Demps' decision to acquire both Holiday and Evans at the expense of draft picks and cap flexibility. They should've been tanking and positioned themselves to get a great pick in this draft before looking to build an actual team. That's the blueprint that OKC followed (to get Durant, Westbrook and Harden) that turned them into juggernauts. It is also the blueprint that ORL didn't follow, which forced Dwight Howard to want to go to BKN/LAL.