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6/11/2014  7:38 PM
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Knixkik wrote:But no one wants to play with Melo, lol. For real though, the opt-in/out-out thing will tell us a lot about the state of these 2 players, as well as a couple of others. I think it is definitely the best option for both players to opt in, whether they are trying to get together or not. But as for them getting together, i am going to reserve judgment until after free agency. The landscape is due to change soon, but i think one more year of the miami group and spurs group after this year is likely. With retirement and free agency, i think many of the top teams look much different starting in 2015.

IT'S like a girl saying she would love to go on a date with you, but never does, instead she goes out with everyone else.. this talk, rumors, is just that... until guys flock here to play with carmelo, I will stick with the " no one wants to play with carmelo" camp.. and I honestly believe that to be the case..

i think the league has caught up with melo, figured him out.

i mean, folks around here should do a thought experiment and try to imagine where melo would fit on a team that plays like the spurs or the heat in this year's or last year's finals.

see what i mean?

27 & 8...Yeah the league caught up to him

please do not throw individual numbers out there when you know it's a team sport, thanks. he should be shouldering responsibility for his own career, right? RIGHT

Phil Jax, a system coach who emphasizes ball movement wants a talent like Melo on his team, why? If he ends up getting signed by Morey, a guy who has been praised to the heavens by many posters here, what does that say?

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6/11/2014  7:42 PM
Uptown wrote:
dk7th wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:But no one wants to play with Melo, lol. For real though, the opt-in/out-out thing will tell us a lot about the state of these 2 players, as well as a couple of others. I think it is definitely the best option for both players to opt in, whether they are trying to get together or not. But as for them getting together, i am going to reserve judgment until after free agency. The landscape is due to change soon, but i think one more year of the miami group and spurs group after this year is likely. With retirement and free agency, i think many of the top teams look much different starting in 2015.

IT'S like a girl saying she would love to go on a date with you, but never does, instead she goes out with everyone else.. this talk, rumors, is just that... until guys flock here to play with carmelo, I will stick with the " no one wants to play with carmelo" camp.. and I honestly believe that to be the case..

i think the league has caught up with melo, figured him out.

i mean, folks around here should do a thought experiment and try to imagine where melo would fit on a team that plays like the spurs or the heat in this year's or last year's finals.

see what i mean?

27 & 8...Yeah the league caught up to him

BTW, I'm sure he'd fit in fine...If he played for the Heat or the Spurs, it'll be the first time in his career that he wasn't the best player on his team...Coach Pop would be the best coach he ever played for. A coach that demands respect...I'm sure he would adjust nicely....

Do you honestly think Pop and Spo/Riley would turn down an opportunity to add Melo to their teams?

40% from three point range also. Imagine a guy as offensively gifted inside and outside as Melo on a team like the Spurs or Heat with their great ball movement.
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6/11/2014  8:26 PM

Now that the New York Knicks have both a president of basketball operations and a coach with a championship pedigree, one would think there should be no problem luring players with winning ability to a city that's been starving for a title since 1973. But as we sit here today, the focus having shifted to compiling a roster that should reap such dividends, the attention now rests squarely on Carmelo Anthony.

Unfortunately, none of us are sure if Melo's attention is aimed primarily at the Knicks. But the Knicks would need it to be if they're hoping for any success in the near future.

With yet another NBA Finals taking place without the Knicks' participation, their new coach, Derek Fisher, did everything he could to paint a picture of a franchise moving forward, desperate to eradicate a culture of losing. But while winning is the priority, it would do well for the Knicks' new coach to remember that it is players who get it done for you -- and that Melo is his best chance.

You want to be respectable? You keep Melo.

You want a gate attraction? You keep Melo.

You want, at least, a shot at LeBron James? You definitely keep Melo.

No matter how far-fetched that chance is.

To be clear, Melo wants to play with LeBron James. And, from what I'm being told, LeBron James wants to play with Melo. Assuming circumstances are ideal for them to do so. Sources tell ESPN's Brian Windhorst and Marc Stein that the Heat are preparing to make a run at Melo this summer in free agency, hoping to add him to the Big Three of LeBron, Wade and Bosh.

As far as Melo and LeBron are concerned, they would've been together already had Melo embraced the advice from James, one of his friends in the league, back in 2006, to sign a contract in 2007 with an opt-out after three seasons -- just like James, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade did -- to make himself available for summer 2010.

It was Melo's decision to refrain, to take the five-year, $80 million deal offered by the Denver Nuggets, throwing a proverbial monkey wrench in James' plans. Essentially, the Big 3 could've easily been James, Wade and Melo ... instead of Bosh.

Melo blew it!

But that was then. This is now. And Carmelo Anthony, back then, didn't have the 11 years of NBA experience or the stable, business-savvy family life he has now.

Melo is a different man. With a far more substantive arsenal.

The future is just as important as right now. And quality of life is far more important than dollars and cents.

Here comes LeBron James.

Understand, the possibility of getting LBJ is slim. Annually, James is competing for championships. He's doing so surrounded by palm trees and gorgeous weather, for a first-class organization led by a first-class executive in Pat Riley with five titles on his resume. He's doing it in a place devoid of state income taxes and with a cheaper cost of living, with all of it serving as its own recruiting tool for prospective free agents-to-come.

By all accounts, LeBron can go wherever he wants. Whether he decides to leave Miami or stay, any team in the league will exhaust all options to make room for his arrival.

Still, LeBron doesn't care about money because he knows he'll get it. He doesn't care about where he lives because if he's adjusted to departing Akron, Ohio, for South Beach, he can adjust to almost anything.

What LeBron cares about is the roster he's playing with. The organization assembling it. And being happy, because the future is bright wherever he lands.

Winning is almost everything.

Winning with friends is everything!

Melo knows this, which is why the waiting game here in New York has lasted so long.

Melo knows before he does anything, he needs to talk to LeBron James when these NBA Finals are over. He needs to find out if LeBron is interested in coming to New York, or if he's staying in South Beach. Or if he has another destination in mind, where both of them can get their money and leave enough room for a strong supporting cast.

Such decisions may require that Melo opt in for an additional year with the Knicks before becoming a free agent next summer.

Or it may involve him becoming a free agent now, then leaving to go wherever he knows James will end up.

Remember, folks: No matter what the Big 3 in Miami says, they all knew they were meeting up in Miami months in advance. This is a similar scenario.

James kept his word to the fellas back then. According to sources, he always does. What LeBron James says and promises, he's known for delivering.

How else would we know about his crew (and management firm) LRMR -- LeBron, Randy, Maverick, Rich -- his boys from childhood?

"If you're LeBron's man, you're his man," one trusted confidant of LeBron's has said. "He's honorable on that level. He's an incredible friend. He means what he says. He does what he says he's going to do. And he does not break his word ... although it's hard as hell to get it!"

Dwyane Wade trusted this. Chris Bosh trusted this. And -- bet the house -- Carmelo Anthony trusts that what LeBron James says he'll do, he will do.

Don't think for one second that these sentiments have not been conveyed to MSG chairman James Dolan and the New York Knicks.

Knowing this, keeping Melo must be paramount. Unless Phil Jackson finds a young Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant somewhere, Melo qualifies as the Knicks' best option.

The Knicks can talk all they want about Jackson's brilliance, his 11 titles, his triangle offense and all it has reaped, but choreographers are nothing without someone to dance to their routines.

Melo's the best dancer the Knicks have. For now and the foreseeable future.

So it's nice to see Fisher as the Knicks' new $5 million man. To know him is to be sincerely happy for the Knicks' new coach, who's epitomized nothing but professionalism and competitiveness throughout his 18-year playing career.

But Fisher can only coach what he has. Jackson, in all likelihood, only wants to preside over something worthwhile. And the best way for him to pull that off now is to keep Carmelo Anthony in a Knicks uniform for several years to come, utilizing his "connections" to help formulate a roster worth paying to watch at MSG.

There's an awful lot at stake if the Knicks fail in this quest. And, obviously, there's a chance we might not just be talking about Melo.

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6/11/2014  9:02 PM
With cooperation from their stars and role players Udonis Haslem and Chris Andersen, who also possess player options for next season, the Heat could open up in excess of $50 million in cap space this summer and have the most financial flexibility in the league. The only Heat player locked into place for next season is Norris Cole at a salary of $2 million, although Riley will have to contend with a handful of cap holds for pending free agents as well as their upcoming first-round pick (No. 26 overall) in the draft later this month.

Getting James, Wade, Bosh, Haslem and Andersen to take pay cuts significant enough to open a significant slot for Anthony undoubtedly will be complex. It would require reductions that could stretch into the tens of millions over the next few seasons. Sources say the Heat's plan is to sell the players they wish to keep on the long-term benefits of making such a sacrifice.

The Heat are in essence trying to emulate some of the longstanding policies employed by their current Finals opponent, as the Spurs have been able to keep Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili together for more than a decade -- while routinely strengthening the supporting cast around them -- because their three best players have been repeatedly willing to take pay cuts.

The Spurs' ability to keep the championship window open by selling their mainstays on such sacrifices has allowed Duncan and Spurs coach Gregg Popovich to make it back to the game's biggest stage 15 years after San Antonio's first Finals appearance in 1999.

James will turn 30 in December, and Bosh, Wade and Anthony all are in their 30s and mindful of their advancing age.

James feels he needs to reduce his workload during the regular season, especially with Wade at a point in his career where knee problems are limiting him to fewer games. Wade missed 28 games during the regular season as part of a maintenance program aimed at keeping him as fresh as possible for the playoffs.

Pairing with Anthony, his close friend and a player who sports a similar skill set, is attractive to James. Anthony and the Heat's three stars have maintained a good relationship since they entered the league together in the 2003 draft class. There is a strong belief that the team concept Miami has forged since 2010 would allow them to learn to be effective all playing together.

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Bosh already has indicated publicly on multiple occasions during the playoffs that, despite external suggestions that he could be tempted into moving on and restoring himself as a team's No. 1 option like he was in Toronto, he is determined to stay with the Heat into the future.

But James, as he has all season, sidestepped an attempt at Wednesday's off-day news conference to get him talking about his future, saying: "That's kind of like on the back burner right now."

James insisted he's more focused on "figuring out how I'm going to prioritize Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard and Duncan and Danny Green and Ginobili, Patty Mills and Boris Diaw and Tiago Splitter and the list goes on and on. Matt Bonner, Gregg Popovich and [Spurs assistant] Ime Udoka and those kind of guys. [Free agency] is the last thing I'm thinking about right now."

As ESPN.com reported earlier Wednesday, Anthony must notify the Knicks by June 23 -- essentially one week before the start of free agency -- whether he plans to opt in or out of the final year of his current contract. Sources say Knicks president Phil Jackson continues to urge Anthony to opt into next season's $23.3 million and put off unrestricted free agency for one more year.

Jackson's pitch to Anthony -- which sources say he has delivered more than once over the past month -- is founded upon the notion that the Knicks will have increased financial flexibility in the summer of 2015 to make their own run at James or sign another marquee free agent to pair with a re-signed Anthony.

Should James elect to delay free agency for a year and choose to opt in for the $21 million he's owed by the Heat next season, sources say, he is at the top of the list of free agents the Knicks are telling Anthony they intend to pursue in the summer of 2015.

ESPN's Stephen A. Smith said on his ESPN New York radio show Tuesday and in subsequent interviews that Anthony and James have expressed the mutual desire to play together before their careers end and will look into teaming up if both wind up on the open market in July 2015.

Chicago, Houston and Dallas are teams Anthony will consider starting July 1, sources say, if the 30-year-old does decide to become a free agent this summer. But it's believed the opportunity to join James in Miami would trump all other options, especially after Anthony made it a point earlier this season in an interview for NBA TV to say how "smart" James was to join forces with Wade and Bosh when he did.

The Heat are the NBA's first team to reach four consecutive NBA Finals since the Boston Celtics from 1984 to 1987 and are trying to become just the fourth franchise in league history -- along with the Celtics, Los Angeles Lakers and Bulls -- to complete a three-peat.

James, Wade and Bosh all have until the end of June, sources say, to notify the Heat whether they intend to opt into their respective final years of their current contracts or become free agents this July 1.

ESPN.com's Darren Rovell contributed to this report.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11068709/miami-heat-discussing-options-target-carmelo-anthony-free-agency
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6/11/2014  10:00 PM
NBA 2K-videogame mentality in forming these super teams (Heat, Rockets). Give me a hardworking, intelligently-coached team with character instead. Not these rigged teams.
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6/11/2014  10:10 PM
The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.
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6/11/2014  10:17 PM
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

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6/11/2014  10:41 PM
As much as i hate Lebron teh dude can pretty much win with anyone. I mean he had NOBODY in Clevelands and he still made them into a contender
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6/11/2014  10:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

It's just a chance you take. If amare remained elite and is still averaging 24 and 8, things today might be different. Fortunately the farm we gave up hasn't turned into anything special.

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6/11/2014  11:05 PM
Melo can stay or go. It's really not a big deal. LeBron is to scared of NY to even consider it. LeBron is not going to leave Miami that is where his legacy is. If Melo goes to Miami then Miami has to make decision on Bosh and Wade. Now are they willing to take less money to take on Melo I highly doubt it. You see the Robinson Cano factor kicks in. Wade, LeBron and Bosh have their bling now it's going to be about maximizing the money from this point on.
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6/11/2014  11:39 PM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

It's just a chance you take. If amare remained elite and is still averaging 24 and 8, things today might be different. Fortunately the farm we gave up hasn't turned into anything special.


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6/12/2014  5:54 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

It's just a chance you take. If amare remained elite and is still averaging 24 and 8, things today might be different. Fortunately the farm we gave up hasn't turned into anything special.


What farm? I'm so sick of this Melo trade whining thats still going on. Donnie Walsh gave away Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford and he let David Lee walk for nothing in return. There were absolutely no complaints from these same broken records and those are really good players that were given away. But they will not stop complaining about a bunch of injury prone nobody's? Gave away the farm?

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Silverfuel wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

It's just a chance you take. If amare remained elite and is still averaging 24 and 8, things today might be different. Fortunately the farm we gave up hasn't turned into anything special.


What farm? I'm so sick of this Melo trade whining thats still going on. Donnie Walsh gave away Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford and he let David Lee walk for nothing in return. There were absolutely no complaints from these same broken records and those are really good players that were given away. But they will not stop complaining about a bunch of injury prone nobody's? Gave away the farm?

Stars win in the NBA. Melo is a start player and the best Knick since Patrick Ewing. Our best chance to win a championship is to pair him with other stars. Hopefully Phil can get that done.

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6/12/2014  8:19 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

It's just a chance you take. If amare remained elite and is still averaging 24 and 8, things today might be different. Fortunately the farm we gave up hasn't turned into anything special.


What farm? I'm so sick of this Melo trade whining thats still going on. Donnie Walsh gave away Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford and he let David Lee walk for nothing in return. There were absolutely no complaints from these same broken records and those are really good players that were given away. But they will not stop complaining about a bunch of injury prone nobody's? Gave away the farm?

Stars win in the NBA. Melo is a start player and the best Knick since Patrick Ewing. Our best chance to win a championship is to pair him with other stars. Hopefully Phil can get that done.

its that simple. We need more Melos... not less.
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6/12/2014  8:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2014  8:53 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The fact that the 2 time champs are trying to plot how to get Melo there should make it pretty clear how Melo is viewed in this league.

What good does that do the Knicks. If we gave up the farm 3 years ago--we shouldve made Melo sign a contact with no opt out.

It's just a chance you take. If amare remained elite and is still averaging 24 and 8, things today might be different. Fortunately the farm we gave up hasn't turned into anything special.


What farm? I'm so sick of this Melo trade whining thats still going on. Donnie Walsh gave away Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford and he let David Lee walk for nothing in return. There were absolutely no complaints from these same broken records and those are really good players that were given away. But they will not stop complaining about a bunch of injury prone nobody's? Gave away the farm?

Stars win in the NBA. Melo is a start player and the best Knick since Patrick Ewing. Our best chance to win a championship is to pair him with other stars. Hopefully Phil can get that done.

I'm glad someone said it, i didn't know the best way to describe it haha. The farm people speak of never really ended up being a farm at all. Just a bunch of decent pieces. Meanwhile, it's the stars competing for championships in today's game, not the teams with a bunch of just decent pieces.

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6/12/2014  8:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2014  8:56 AM
Does Melo want to tag along with Lebron in Miami or does he want to lead a team to a championship? Maybe he realizes he can't do it as THE guy
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6/12/2014  9:37 AM
dk7th wrote:
Uptown wrote:
dk7th wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:But no one wants to play with Melo, lol. For real though, the opt-in/out-out thing will tell us a lot about the state of these 2 players, as well as a couple of others. I think it is definitely the best option for both players to opt in, whether they are trying to get together or not. But as for them getting together, i am going to reserve judgment until after free agency. The landscape is due to change soon, but i think one more year of the miami group and spurs group after this year is likely. With retirement and free agency, i think many of the top teams look much different starting in 2015.

IT'S like a girl saying she would love to go on a date with you, but never does, instead she goes out with everyone else.. this talk, rumors, is just that... until guys flock here to play with carmelo, I will stick with the " no one wants to play with carmelo" camp.. and I honestly believe that to be the case..

i think the league has caught up with melo, figured him out.

i mean, folks around here should do a thought experiment and try to imagine where melo would fit on a team that plays like the spurs or the heat in this year's or last year's finals.

see what i mean?

27 & 8...Yeah the league caught up to him

please do not throw individual numbers out there when you know it's a team sport, thanks. he should be shouldering responsibility for his own career, right? RIGHT

You are saying alot of ridiculous things in this thread. It's one thing to say he should take a pay cut to get better players around him, it's another to just be a hater with all the other stuff you say. You got guys that are notorious Melo haters arguing against you. That should tell you something

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6/12/2014  9:43 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Does Melo want to tag along with Lebron in Miami or does he want to lead a team to a championship? Maybe he realizes he can't do it as THE guy

Melo has proved how easy the game looks to him in all star settings. If he had another star and a system around him with good role players he could relax and basically poor it on. The game is easy to him now. If he has to work too hard and he was killing himself the last two seasons, the Knicks can't win. The Triangle and and hopefully Phil can make it happen.

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EnySpree wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Uptown wrote:
dk7th wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:But no one wants to play with Melo, lol. For real though, the opt-in/out-out thing will tell us a lot about the state of these 2 players, as well as a couple of others. I think it is definitely the best option for both players to opt in, whether they are trying to get together or not. But as for them getting together, i am going to reserve judgment until after free agency. The landscape is due to change soon, but i think one more year of the miami group and spurs group after this year is likely. With retirement and free agency, i think many of the top teams look much different starting in 2015.

IT'S like a girl saying she would love to go on a date with you, but never does, instead she goes out with everyone else.. this talk, rumors, is just that... until guys flock here to play with carmelo, I will stick with the " no one wants to play with carmelo" camp.. and I honestly believe that to be the case..

i think the league has caught up with melo, figured him out.

i mean, folks around here should do a thought experiment and try to imagine where melo would fit on a team that plays like the spurs or the heat in this year's or last year's finals.

see what i mean?

27 & 8...Yeah the league caught up to him

please do not throw individual numbers out there when you know it's a team sport, thanks. he should be shouldering responsibility for his own career, right? RIGHT

You are saying alot of ridiculous things in this thread. It's one thing to say he should take a pay cut to get better players around him, it's another to just be a hater with all the other stuff you say. You got guys that are notorious Melo haters arguing against you. That should tell you something

It doesn't matter.

1) First you will hear Melo's a figured-out clod, until somebody points out his stats.
2) Then Melo is an overpaid clod. Like the majority of the rest of the league.
3) Then Melo doesn't play defense. Until the facts are provided again.
4) Then Melo doesn't make anyone better. Until you see he's among the leaders at his position in dimes.
5) Wait four threads, lather, rinse, repeat.

Someday soon, with enough therapy, dktf will be able to put his "Melo had a great stat line against Indy" thread behind him.

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6/12/2014  10:46 AM
If Riles takes Melo and we get left with nothing Im gonna have to reup on my hate for him again.

Basically I hated "the decision" but thru the years the games become the forefront of whats important and Lebron evolution has been fun to watch.

Fanboy? No, just respect for what he is doing.

For melo to join "superfriends" would be taking it to another level.

What makes Lebron different than some others is he'd welcome Melo and distribute the ball accordingly. Michael Jordan was a different kind of Alpha in the vein of Kobe and not just wanted to be THE MAN, but was THE MAN. Lebron as distributer is ok with it. Fans call that as being soft but the reality is its a team game. Think back to some of JOrdans clutch moments, some of them was distributing in the finals to Wennington, or Paxon, or Kerr, etc..........this is the triangle and when Phil got into Jordans head is when Jordan got his greatness.

Bosh misses, Lebron is soft. Bosh hits the shot, Lebron is a unselfish superstar distributer. with Jordan, if you missed the shot, he'd yell at you!

I'd prefer we go the route of drafting our stars but if Lebron wants to be a knick, Im ok with that.

Melo and Lebron.....or is it Lebron and Melo?

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