GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:I know he won't reach his potential I mean I was expecting a 17-5-5 season out of Shumpert, but now that I think about it after last season he is basically a bust. Besides its obvious he isn't devoted to basketball and has other interests.

How is he a bust? Because you grossly overestimated his abilities? He went 21st in the draft and usually those guys seldom become rotation players, let alone an elite specialist.

I wouldn't call him a bust, but its fair to say that most (myself included) expected more from Shump at this stage in his career. We might have differing opinions as to what numbers he should be putting up at this point, but I'm pretty sure no one expected what Iman put up last season. He may thrive somewhere else. Iman sure isn't thriving here.

I would consider a first round pick for Shump a good thing. I believe we could have gotten a high draft pick for him earlier in his career, but not anymore.

The ACL no doubt changed the trajectory of his career IMO. I don't think he's been the same since. But even if that's the case, I think there is a good shot he becomes a better shooting Toney Allen, which isn't bad. All he needs to do is tightening up his defense with his man going back door and to cut down on his foolish fouls to accomplish that. Just last season he was ranked as the 3rd best defensive guard in the league so I don't think that it is much of a stretch.

You're right about the ACL of course, it did stunt his growth as a player. Unfortunately it doesn't explain his inability to consistently finish at the rim this far into his career. Shumpert being a good defender is what would get us that low first round pick.

What Shump has to do is to learn how to vary his offense. Like a boxer who knows when to throw jabs, uppercuts, body blows, (just had a Mike Tyson Punchout flashback there) Iman has to do a better job of deciding how he is going to get buckets. Its mostly 3 point shooting, the occasional jumper, and that's about it. He needs to show a balanced attack.

Ever since he's had that ACL injury, he has appeared to be very tentative about getting the ball to the rim. He seems like he's terrified of landing awkwardly, which forces him to release the ball carelessly/too soon. I agree that he'd greatly benefit from diversifying his offensive game but he'd still have value as a defender that can hit jumpers. I suppose that I never really bought into Shumpert's hype because of the track record our young players and the fan bases tendency to overhype them, which has allowed me to be satisfied with him being a decent role player for us. If we can get value for him though, I'd trade him in a heartbeat.

knickscity wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Shumpert is a good defender but like the article said, how IQ on offense and inability to pass makes him a below average player. Trade his ass.

thats fine, but do you trade him for picks that usual dont become nba players like this same article is suggesting?

Yes, you take a chance on a player your scouts think can help. Why keep a guy who can't help on a consistent basis?

NardDogNation wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Shumpert is a good defender but like the article said, his low IQ on offense and inability to pass makes him a below average player. Trade his ass.

I'd move him and $3 million for their 21st and 29th picks. At 21 I'd select Adrien Payne and Spencer Dinwiddie at 29.

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Shumpert is a good defender but like the article said, how IQ on offense and inability to pass makes him a below average player. Trade his ass.

thats fine, but do you trade him for picks that usual dont become nba players like this same article is suggesting?

Yes, you take a chance on a player your scouts think can help. Why keep a guy who can't help on a consistent basis?

Unless a higher ranked player somehow has slipped, you keep the better of the two.

OKC's interest is obvious, they likely WONT find a defender/Thabo replacement as good as shumpert in that position in the draft.

they seriously would have to fork over both picks as neither weilds a good player and is a huge risk from a player and financial standpoint.

It’s a good move for the Knicks salary cap-wise. The 29th pick will make $959,000 in 2015-16. Shumpert, on the other hand, is set to earn $2.6 million in 2014-15 with a $3.7 million qualifying offer in 2015-16.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Shumpert is a good defender but like the article said, how IQ on offense and inability to pass makes him a below average player. Trade his ass.

thats fine, but do you trade him for picks that usual dont become nba players like this same article is suggesting?

Yes, you take a chance on a player your scouts think can help. Why keep a guy who can't help on a consistent basis?

Unless a higher ranked player somehow has slipped, you keep the better of the two.

OKC's interest is obvious, they likely WONT find a defender/Thabo replacement as good as shumpert in that position in the draft.

they seriously would have to fork over both picks as neither weilds a good player and is a huge risk from a player and financial standpoint.

I don't think there is anyway the Knicks get two picks for Shump. If they can they need to do it. The financial impact helps the Knicks according to the Knicksblog:

It’s a good move for the Knicks salary cap-wise. The 29th pick will make $959,000 in 2015-16. Shumpert, on the other hand, is set to earn $2.6 million in 2014-15 with a $3.7 million qualifying offer in 2015-16.

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/knicks-could-revisit-iman-shumpert-deal/

I doubt Shump could fetch two decent first round picks this year. That said, I'd rather draft a second rounder and add a team option to his contract than draft him 29 if money is an issue. Let's see if we can buy a second rounder and still keep Shump as an asset. If Shump continues to struggle next season than we can still give him away. Someone will take a chance on potential 3 and D guy in the last year of his contract.If we're lucky, maybe he regains some value before we trade him.

NardDogNation wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Shumpert is a good defender but like the article said, his low IQ on offense and inability to pass makes him a below average player. Trade his ass.

I'd move him and $3 million for their 21st and 29th picks. At 21 I'd select Adrien Payne and Spencer Dinwiddie at 29.

I like this thought process but would prefer Kyle Anderson at #21 and Dinwiddie at #29.