tkf wrote:GustavBahler wrote:tkf wrote:GustavBahler wrote:tkf wrote:GustavBahler wrote:tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing that missing the playoffs for the first time in his career played into it .
which is positive. I think the voters got it right. When the team won 54 he was 2nd team and 3rd in MVP voting, and I think they got that right also. 37 wins and missing the playoffs but having good stats isnt impressive in the NBA. MLB is different. Melo, the Knicks.. it was a bad year. Terrible. All up from here.
Yes they got it right, but also take into account, carmelo didn't make any all NBA teams 5 times (including this year) out of his 11 year career... maybe the voters are saying it goes beyond just not making the playoffs.. because remember this is the first year he missed the playoffs, but 5 times he didn't make the all NBA team..
Do you believe Melo ever deserved to be named first or second team?
never first team for sure and he never has made it.. on a couple of occasions maybe second team....
Im guessing defense, or lack thereof, played a part in the past.
yea, i would say lack of defense, passing, overall playmaking... I think many, not just myself, see him as a one dimensional player... and since scoring is valued and sometimes overvalued around the league, there will be years he will make second or third team just on that alone.. the trend for him seems to be third team..
Many people would agree with your assessment of Melo when he was with the Nuggs, but would also say that he has become a better defender, he's had some monster rebound games this season. Hard to be a playmaker when your teammates can't hit the broad side of a barn. We don't need him to be first team to succeed. We do need a another all-star who isn't ready for the glue factory, and a deep bench of players who can stay healthy.
Melo was in the running for MVP, shows that there has been some growth. Still has work to do, but I see progress. If he does sign maybe Phil can help him progress even more.
I mean lets be honest... he was not in the "running" for MVP, that was a two man race with durant and lebron that clearly became a one man race with lebron alone.. someone had to come in third in this case, and with the disparity if votes, first place vote, we know he clearly was not in the running..
Next thing, Growth? I didn't see it, this is the same carmelo I saw in Denver.. Not sure if you guys even watched much of him in Denver, but this is the same player I saw then... he is going into his 12th season, you are talking about growth and progress as if he is a 4th year player...
Hard to be a playmaker when your teammates can't hit the broad side of a barn.
play making may not always involve a basket being made, but putting guys in position to make baskets or hitting them in position to make baskets.. Chandler, Amare, prigs, shot 46% or better, bargs shot close to 45%... THJ 43%, felton and shumpert had rough shooting years, but lets not make it out like guys could not put the ball in the basket.. if that is the case then shouldn't felton get a pass as well?
You're talking about a team for some time now who just stand still when Melo has the ball (not just him) and you're expecting him to be a playmaker for guys who almost never cut, who are almost never in motion when he has the ball. Its been a failing of this team for some time now. Ive seen him kick it to the arc plenty of times, guess you haven't.
If we had a PG who could consistently get to the rim and dish, it wouldn't be an issue. Prigs is a pass first PG who gives up tons of open looks. Chandler has to be spoon fed the ball and if you're expecting Melo to dish like Lebron, we'll not many players can. Stat and bargs got most of their points in isolation, not melo, not anyone, found them cutting to the rim often.
You put a lot of stock in the voting for first team etc, but when he comes in third in the MVP race, its meaningless. Third in voting out of how many players in this league? Its not like they pick third place out of a hat.
Its like when you placed a great deal of importance on his not winning a scoring title until he actually won it, then it became meaningless to you. Melo is still in his prime, even at this stage in his career if I see improvement, then I'm not going to harp on the past. Better late than never. You don't see any improvement at all in any way,shape,or form, so once again I'm going to agree to disagree on the only subject you seem to want to discuss with me.
