jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:I caught this article when it first came out...I think the mistake people make in coming here is trying to recreate their successes they had at previous stops...Layden tried to bring in his guys from Utah..Isiah had his Chicago connection..MDA wanted to redo PHX which could have put us back a decade, Donnie had his guys from Indy...Riley did it best when he adjusted to the roster and the town...Pop changed his playing style about 3 times to adjust to needs of the roster and it's players...The narrow view/approach to things aren't generally successful...

Seems to be the exact opposite of what should be done. If you are suggesting that we should accept a randomly put together set of mismatched overpaid players and make the best of it then Mike Woodson and first round exits are probably high accomplishment for you. If on he other hand you are interested in seeing a roster being put together per a plan and then a coach that coaches to that plan then you can dare to think of championships.No one who came here before was allowed to put together anything according to their vision - these hings take time and they all got fired or they left anyway before they had enough time to do it because our meddlesome owner is chasing quick profits with start player acquisitions. I honestly hope Phil Jackson is allowed to propagate and implement a team according to basic vision or plan rather than "trying to make the best of the roster". The spurs are absolutely the prime example of building to a plan.

So I literally site Pat Riley and Popovich as examples of making adjustments and somehow you interpret my meaning as the job Woodson did although I never mention his name...

I didn't say you meant Woodson. I said you should accept what he did as high accomplishment based on your line of thinking.Maybe you do, I don't know.

Well if that's the prism you wish to view this matter then I'll say this...I'll take Woodson accomplishments of getting to the first and second rounds over the team MDA's assembled and not getting to the playoffs..How about you??

Of course not getting to the playoffs is better in the long run, because then you get better draft picks, and then you can build a better team with a better plan, then you don't make the playoffs and you get better draft picks...until you draft Tim Duncan or Dwayne Wade.

As long as you don't have Melo, it all works out towards a chip. Like it did in Boston. And Dallas.

You gotta have a plan, man.

And you need to be in a nice friendly, quiet NBA market. That will endure years and years of rebuilding.

PJax has 5. Clock's just started.

and for the melo era it's 1 minute till midnight.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:I caught this article when it first came out...I think the mistake people make in coming here is trying to recreate their successes they had at previous stops...Layden tried to bring in his guys from Utah..Isiah had his Chicago connection..MDA wanted to redo PHX which could have put us back a decade, Donnie had his guys from Indy...Riley did it best when he adjusted to the roster and the town...Pop changed his playing style about 3 times to adjust to needs of the roster and it's players...The narrow view/approach to things aren't generally successful...

Seems to be the exact opposite of what should be done. If you are suggesting that we should accept a randomly put together set of mismatched overpaid players and make the best of it then Mike Woodson and first round exits are probably high accomplishment for you. If on he other hand you are interested in seeing a roster being put together per a plan and then a coach that coaches to that plan then you can dare to think of championships.No one who came here before was allowed to put together anything according to their vision - these hings take time and they all got fired or they left anyway before they had enough time to do it because our meddlesome owner is chasing quick profits with start player acquisitions. I honestly hope Phil Jackson is allowed to propagate and implement a team according to basic vision or plan rather than "trying to make the best of the roster". The spurs are absolutely the prime example of building to a plan.

So I literally site Pat Riley and Popovich as examples of making adjustments and somehow you interpret my meaning as the job Woodson did although I never mention his name...

I didn't say you meant Woodson. I said you should accept what he did as high accomplishment based on your line of thinking.Maybe you do, I don't know.

Well if that's the prism you wish to view this matter then I'll say this...I'll take Woodson accomplishments of getting to the first and second rounds over the team MDA's assembled and not getting to the playoffs..How about you??

Of course not getting to the playoffs is better in the long run, because then you get better draft picks, and then you can build a better team with a better plan, then you don't make the playoffs and you get better draft picks...until you draft Tim Duncan or Dwayne Wade.

As long as you don't have Melo, it all works out towards a chip. Like it did in Boston. And Dallas.

You gotta have a plan, man.

And you need to be in a nice friendly, quiet NBA market. That will endure years and years of rebuilding.

PJax has 5. Clock's just started.

and for the melo era it's 1 minute till midnight.

keep those fingers crossed.

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:I caught this article when it first came out...I think the mistake people make in coming here is trying to recreate their successes they had at previous stops...Layden tried to bring in his guys from Utah..Isiah had his Chicago connection..MDA wanted to redo PHX which could have put us back a decade, Donnie had his guys from Indy...Riley did it best when he adjusted to the roster and the town...Pop changed his playing style about 3 times to adjust to needs of the roster and it's players...The narrow view/approach to things aren't generally successful...

Seems to be the exact opposite of what should be done. If you are suggesting that we should accept a randomly put together set of mismatched overpaid players and make the best of it then Mike Woodson and first round exits are probably high accomplishment for you. If on he other hand you are interested in seeing a roster being put together per a plan and then a coach that coaches to that plan then you can dare to think of championships.No one who came here before was allowed to put together anything according to their vision - these hings take time and they all got fired or they left anyway before they had enough time to do it because our meddlesome owner is chasing quick profits with start player acquisitions. I honestly hope Phil Jackson is allowed to propagate and implement a team according to basic vision or plan rather than "trying to make the best of the roster". The spurs are absolutely the prime example of building to a plan.

So I literally site Pat Riley and Popovich as examples of making adjustments and somehow you interpret my meaning as the job Woodson did although I never mention his name...

I didn't say you meant Woodson. I said you should accept what he did as high accomplishment based on your line of thinking.Maybe you do, I don't know.

Well if that's the prism you wish to view this matter then I'll say this...I'll take Woodson accomplishments of getting to the first and second rounds over the team MDA's assembled and not getting to the playoffs..How about you??

Of course not getting to the playoffs is better in the long run, because then you get better draft picks, and then you can build a better team with a better plan, then you don't make the playoffs and you get better draft picks...until you draft Tim Duncan or Dwayne Wade.

As long as you don't have Melo, it all works out towards a chip. Like it did in Boston. And Dallas.

You gotta have a plan, man.

And you need to be in a nice friendly, quiet NBA market. That will endure years and years of rebuilding.

PJax has 5. Clock's just started.

Are you projecting or is this a failed attempt at sarcasm? I am not sure I follow your post. Are you saying a franchise should not have a plan or that it is not important?
Are you happy with the curse the Knicks were on, where we overpaid for Amare, then traded all our assets for Melo and then overpaid for Bargnani? Is getting to the playoffs your measure of success? If so are the teams line Dallas, SA and Miami not already 100% more successful than us over the last 15 years?

Did Phil Jackson adjust the triangle? Or is he not good enough for you? Why should D'Antoni have to make do with the one dimensional ball hog, when his system thrives with a good point guard running it with unselfish players?

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Steve Nash? Are you suggesting he needs Steve Nash because the offense sucked with Toney Douglas running it? When in his entire tenure here did he have a Point Guard? If he had input why wouldn't we go get Deron Williams or any other good Point Guard instead of the exact type of player he would never dream of asking for? A D'Antoni led offense relies on ball movement, speed and unselfish play - Carmelo Anthony is the last player he would ask for.

Did Phil Jackson adjust the triangle? Or is he not good enough for you? Why should D'Antoni have to make do with the one dimensional ball hog, when his system thrives with a good point guard running it with unselfish players?

Did you not read the article at the opening of this thread???

NBA.com's David Aldridge reports that what lead to Mike D'Antoni's departure from New York was a disagreement with owner James Dolan involving a trade. D'Antoni wanted to move Carmelo Anthony, who struggled inside D'Antoni's system, for the Nets' Deron Williams. That trade would have given the Nets the star they wanted last year when he forced his way out of Denver in a contract year to New York. The Nets tried furiously to convince Anthony to force a trade to New Jersey instead, but were rebuffed, at which point they acquired Williams.

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Steve Nash? Are you suggesting he needs Steve Nash because the offense sucked with Toney Douglas running it? When in his entire tenure here did he have a Point Guard? If he had input why wouldn't we go get Deron Williams or any other good Point Guard instead of the exact type of player he would never dream of asking for? A D'Antoni led offense relies on ball movement, speed and unselfish play - Carmelo Anthony is the last player he would ask for.

Did Phil Jackson adjust the triangle? Or is he not good enough for you? Why should D'Antoni have to make do with the one dimensional ball hog, when his system thrives with a good point guard running it with unselfish players?

Did you not read the article at the opening of this thread???

NBA.com's David Aldridge reports that what lead to Mike D'Antoni's departure from New York was a disagreement with owner James Dolan involving a trade. D'Antoni wanted to move Carmelo Anthony, who struggled inside D'Antoni's system, for the Nets' Deron Williams. That trade would have given the Nets the star they wanted last year when he forced his way out of Denver in a contract year to New York. The Nets tried furiously to convince Anthony to force a trade to New Jersey instead, but were rebuffed, at which point they acquired Williams.

It's consistent with what I said isn't it? You said D'Antoni had input on the roster. I said he didn't have a lot of sway.the fact that we never proposed this trade to the Nets proves my point over yours.

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Steve Nash? Are you suggesting he needs Steve Nash because the offense sucked with Toney Douglas running it? When in his entire tenure here did he have a Point Guard? If he had input why wouldn't we go get Deron Williams or any other good Point Guard instead of the exact type of player he would never dream of asking for? A D'Antoni led offense relies on ball movement, speed and unselfish play - Carmelo Anthony is the last player he would ask for.

Did Phil Jackson adjust the triangle? Or is he not good enough for you? Why should D'Antoni have to make do with the one dimensional ball hog, when his system thrives with a good point guard running it with unselfish players?

Did you not read the article at the opening of this thread???

NBA.com's David Aldridge reports that what lead to Mike D'Antoni's departure from New York was a disagreement with owner James Dolan involving a trade. D'Antoni wanted to move Carmelo Anthony, who struggled inside D'Antoni's system, for the Nets' Deron Williams. That trade would have given the Nets the star they wanted last year when he forced his way out of Denver in a contract year to New York. The Nets tried furiously to convince Anthony to force a trade to New Jersey instead, but were rebuffed, at which point they acquired Williams.

It's consistent with what I said isn't it? You said D'Antoni had input on the roster. I said he didn't have a lot of sway.the fact that we never proposed this trade to the Nets proves my point over yours.

Really???..What happened with Nate and Marbs??...You think the fact that Amare is here is coincidence??..Gallo was coincidental??..Dolan pulled off the Melo trade, you think he is going to let MDA, who had not sniffed the playoffs before Melo, overrule him on this trade???..You can't be serious...

meloshouldgo wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:I caught this article when it first came out...I think the mistake people make in coming here is trying to recreate their successes they had at previous stops...Layden tried to bring in his guys from Utah..Isiah had his Chicago connection..MDA wanted to redo PHX which could have put us back a decade, Donnie had his guys from Indy...Riley did it best when he adjusted to the roster and the town...Pop changed his playing style about 3 times to adjust to needs of the roster and it's players...The narrow view/approach to things aren't generally successful...

Seems to be the exact opposite of what should be done. If you are suggesting that we should accept a randomly put together set of mismatched overpaid players and make the best of it then Mike Woodson and first round exits are probably high accomplishment for you. If on he other hand you are interested in seeing a roster being put together per a plan and then a coach that coaches to that plan then you can dare to think of championships.No one who came here before was allowed to put together anything according to their vision - these hings take time and they all got fired or they left anyway before they had enough time to do it because our meddlesome owner is chasing quick profits with start player acquisitions. I honestly hope Phil Jackson is allowed to propagate and implement a team according to basic vision or plan rather than "trying to make the best of the roster". The spurs are absolutely the prime example of building to a plan.

So I literally site Pat Riley and Popovich as examples of making adjustments and somehow you interpret my meaning as the job Woodson did although I never mention his name...

I didn't say you meant Woodson. I said you should accept what he did as high accomplishment based on your line of thinking.Maybe you do, I don't know.

Well if that's the prism you wish to view this matter then I'll say this...I'll take Woodson accomplishments of getting to the first and second rounds over the team MDA's assembled and not getting to the playoffs..How about you??

Of course not getting to the playoffs is better in the long run, because then you get better draft picks, and then you can build a better team with a better plan, then you don't make the playoffs and you get better draft picks...until you draft Tim Duncan or Dwayne Wade.

As long as you don't have Melo, it all works out towards a chip. Like it did in Boston. And Dallas.

You gotta have a plan, man.

And you need to be in a nice friendly, quiet NBA market. That will endure years and years of rebuilding.

PJax has 5. Clock's just started.

Are you projecting or is this a failed attempt at sarcasm? I am not sure I follow your post. Are you saying a franchise should not have a plan or that it is not important?
Are you happy with the curse the Knicks were on, where we overpaid for Amare, then traded all our assets for Melo and then overpaid for Bargnani? Is getting to the playoffs your measure of success? If so are the teams line Dallas, SA and Miami not already 100% more successful than us over the last 15 years?

Are you obfuscating, or are you just making a veiled, coy attempt at not understanding simple english?

I prefer Woody's deranged foster father coaching and making the playoffs to the MDA alternative of how many people can you fit in a doghouse while not making the playoffs?
1) Overpaying is what we do. Welcome to New York Knicks basketball. Haven't been following the franchise very long, have you? Have mommy re-explain the facts o' life to you. Chris Childs, Alan Houston, McDeadIce, Starbles, McADoo, Spenser Heywood. We are in the business of making nominal people rich.
2) All assets for Melo. Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnn... Ray, the gun toter we got back for free, who, if you'll remember at the time, was the lead "asset". Gallo the irrepressible IR resident, the Mayor is not going to be changing your Knick life any time soon, and it took Moz four years to come up with as many good games. Thanks, we already have a big doofy project white guy who comes up with good games once in a while. Draft picks, you've seen the great impact we've had drafting the past 15 years, haven't you? Do you want to look up the stats on Fred Weiss and Nick Kickamalapoo or whatever his name was? That leaves you crying over $3 mil of Dolan's money. Continue whining about the trade of all those not-getting-to-the-playoffs "assets".
3) Overpaid for Bargs -- see #1.
4) In case you haven't noticed, we aren't in the basketball hotbeds of Dallas, SA and Miami. Our best contrived "plans" count for nothing. Our owner is James Dolan. Coffee's on! Smell some, it might do you some good.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:MDA was saying he could not win with Melo and its his job to communicate what pieces he needs or does not.

He was in a lame duck year anyway. IT was not such a bitch move as some think, it was his way of saying "if you do this, you'll extend me, if not, its time for me to go". The logical thing was for hiim to leave.

Yeah, needed a way out and this kinda allowed him to save face. The team wasn't responding to him anyway. I've made my feelings known about Stache and i'm not gonna rehash them. I will say that I'm glad that trade was never considered. Deron Williams wheels are mess and I have a hard time staying healthy while playing SSOL. Deron Williams, much like Carlos Arroyo, Carlos Boozer, Matt Harpring, is a good player whose game was probably elevated to higher level because of Jerry Sloan's disclipined coaching system.

Deron had both his ankles worked on and it was noted he could have had it done last summer. Dude would get some injections and have a great game, then not.

I'd chaulk it up to injuries and over a long time they can mess with your head as well. Its all easy to say as fans "tough it out" but we don't know how bad it gets for him. He looked like he was in good shape this year at times.

Glad that trade was not made, but really can't imagine it was ever considered. As you said, MDA and Melo were not working.

Funny, fans were calling out Lebron for his cramps and saying he could not tough it out. People drown when they get leg cramps swimming. That **** freaking hurts! If anyone ever got a cramp in the leg they know, you can't freaking walk, let alone play a game of basketball.

No, Lebron is not Jordan. Or chuck Norris.