fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

RonRon wrote:Paul George is the best SF with the ability and skills of playing G/PF after both

Lebron
Durant

NO ONE comes close after George in terms of their all round games and abilities, especially with Durant and George's age and success in the NBA thus far

Melo could do it too.

Rudy Gay was that guy too until he went to Toronto and stopped playing team ball.

Paul George is overrated. He's still a really good defender, and Good offensive player, but the kid s no killer instinct or feel for the moment. He disappeared when Indiana needed him. He's like James Harden in that way.

I agree he is very overrated. Good player but people were saying he was top 5 in December, which is just crazy. He's not someone you can build around just yet, maybe down the road. This pacers team got exposed this year. No guarantee that they haven't already peaked and will look a lot different before they can compete for a title.

"people" werent saying he was top 5. Only a couple MElo-haters on this site were. He's really good. Great defense and a good passer. He's a good offensive player but if you compare him to other star players his offensive game is a couple tier below the bigtime scorers in the league, its not even close. People see what they want to see. Pacers made it to the conf finals but are clearly below the other 3 teams that did the same. Way below.

But since PG plays same position as Melo the wanking will go on....

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

RonRon wrote:Paul George is the best SF with the ability and skills of playing G/PF after both

Lebron
Durant

NO ONE comes close after George in terms of their all round games and abilities, especially with Durant and George's age and success in the NBA thus far

Melo could do it too.

Rudy Gay was that guy too until he went to Toronto and stopped playing team ball.

Paul George is overrated. He's still a really good defender, and Good offensive player, but the kid s no killer instinct or feel for the moment. He disappeared when Indiana needed him. He's like James Harden in that way.

I agree he is very overrated. Good player but people were saying he was top 5 in December, which is just crazy. He's not someone you can build around just yet, maybe down the road. This pacers team got exposed this year. No guarantee that they haven't already peaked and will look a lot different before they can compete for a title.

"people" werent saying he was top 5. Only a couple MElo-haters on this site were. He's really good. Great defense and a good passer. He's a good offensive player but if you compare him to other star players his offensive game is a couple tier below the bigtime scorers in the league, its not even close. People see what they want to see. Pacers made it to the conf finals but are clearly below the other 3 teams that did the same. Way below.

But since PG plays same position as Melo the wanking will go on....

Agreed. Analysts(ESPN) also did their share of propping up George and trying to propel him to something he hasn't reached yet.

Im not even sure the Pacers make the playoffs out west, and if they do its a low seed, but the east is terrible and the Pacers have been very stable and consistent, they are good. They are not great. If Paul George is your go to scorer your going to lose. He's not a lead scorer by any stretch. That is one area not up for debate. Maybe he gets better but he's a very low % guy right now and has games that make Melo's shot selection look picky. I guess if you get some assists and play great D (which he does) your allowed to chuck? Funny isnt it? What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

I was just thinking how awesome a Melo Paul George team would be.

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:PG is a very good basketball player..But I think folks get caught up in the flashy dunks and his affinity to hit 4 out of 5 three pointers when he is on..Unfortunately he is more off than on...There are lots to basketball to be played between the three pt shot and the dunks...DWade is the picture of that...He is young though and he has time to polish his game...I think media and fans gets ahead of themselves and anoint players as the next one off a playoff series...True stars show up year after year and they challenge you to stop what has made them stars on a nightly basis...

or maybe we get caught up in the fact that he is one of the best two way players in the league and that he plays an all around game.. and that he is one of the best defenders in the league... could it be that?

Well when the game is on the line can you need some one to carry you in stretches, maybe he can draw on his "all around game abilities/best defenders status" to take them over the top...

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:PG is a very good basketball player..But I think folks get caught up in the flashy dunks and his affinity to hit 4 out of 5 three pointers when he is on..Unfortunately he is more off than on...There are lots to basketball to be played between the three pt shot and the dunks...DWade is the picture of that...He is young though and he has time to polish his game...I think media and fans gets ahead of themselves and anoint players as the next one off a playoff series...True stars show up year after year and they challenge you to stop what has made them stars on a nightly basis...

or maybe we get caught up in the fact that he is one of the best two way players in the league and that he plays an all around game.. and that he is one of the best defenders in the league... could it be that?

Well when the game is on the line can you need some one to carry you in stretches, maybe he can draw on his "all around game abilities/best defenders status" to take them over the top...

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:PG is a very good basketball player..But I think folks get caught up in the flashy dunks and his affinity to hit 4 out of 5 three pointers when he is on..Unfortunately he is more off than on...There are lots to basketball to be played between the three pt shot and the dunks...DWade is the picture of that...He is young though and he has time to polish his game...I think media and fans gets ahead of themselves and anoint players as the next one off a playoff series...True stars show up year after year and they challenge you to stop what has made them stars on a nightly basis...

or maybe we get caught up in the fact that he is one of the best two way players in the league and that he plays an all around game.. and that he is one of the best defenders in the league... could it be that?

Well when the game is on the line can you need some one to carry you in stretches, maybe he can draw on his "all around game abilities/best defenders status" to take them over the top...

Agreed. I believe George is close to Kawhi Leonard at thid point in their careers. Leonard and George are two young wings who play good D, but are probably better suited as second or third offensive options on a championship team. I wish both were Knicks.

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:PG is a very good basketball player..But I think folks get caught up in the flashy dunks and his affinity to hit 4 out of 5 three pointers when he is on..Unfortunately he is more off than on...There are lots to basketball to be played between the three pt shot and the dunks...DWade is the picture of that...He is young though and he has time to polish his game...I think media and fans gets ahead of themselves and anoint players as the next one off a playoff series...True stars show up year after year and they challenge you to stop what has made them stars on a nightly basis...

or maybe we get caught up in the fact that he is one of the best two way players in the league and that he plays an all around game.. and that he is one of the best defenders in the league... could it be that?

Well when the game is on the line can you need some one to carry you in stretches, maybe he can draw on his "all around game abilities/best defenders status" to take them over the top...

Agreed. I believe George is close to Kawhi Leonard at thid point in their careers. Leonard and George are two young wings who play good D, but are probably better suited as second or third offensive options on a championship team. I wish both were Knicks.

Totally agree, and U need guys like that to win Championships...Guys who gives u a little of everything...

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

RonRon wrote:Paul George is the best SF with the ability and skills of playing G/PF after both

Lebron
Durant

NO ONE comes close after George in terms of their all round games and abilities, especially with Durant and George's age and success in the NBA thus far

Melo could do it too.

Rudy Gay was that guy too until he went to Toronto and stopped playing team ball.

Paul George is overrated. He's still a really good defender, and Good offensive player, but the kid s no killer instinct or feel for the moment. He disappeared when Indiana needed him. He's like James Harden in that way.

I agree he is very overrated. Good player but people were saying he was top 5 in December, which is just crazy. He's not someone you can build around just yet, maybe down the road. This pacers team got exposed this year. No guarantee that they haven't already peaked and will look a lot different before they can compete for a title.

"people" werent saying he was top 5. Only a couple MElo-haters on this site were. He's really good. Great defense and a good passer. He's a good offensive player but if you compare him to other star players his offensive game is a couple tier below the bigtime scorers in the league, its not even close. People see what they want to see. Pacers made it to the conf finals but are clearly below the other 3 teams that did the same. Way below.

But since PG plays same position as Melo the wanking will go on....

Agreed. Analysts(ESPN) also did their share of propping up George and trying to propel him to something he hasn't reached yet.

Im not even sure the Pacers make the playoffs out west, and if they do its a low seed, but the east is terrible and the Pacers have been very stable and consistent, they are good. They are not great. If Paul George is your go to scorer your going to lose. He's not a lead scorer by any stretch. That is one area not up for debate. Maybe he gets better but he's a very low % guy right now and has games that make Melo's shot selection look picky. I guess if you get some assists and play great D (which he does) your allowed to chuck? Funny isnt it? What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

really fish? and why wouldn't they? what are you basing this off fish? sure not numbers.. because the numbers would tell a different story.

the pacers vs the western conference went 18-12 so that is pretty much winning 60% of their games.. so lets switch the 52 games played in the east to west games and guess what... you get close to 32 wins... they win at a 73% clip vs east teams, so take the 30 games vs east and you get close to 22 wins.. so don't you think 54 wins makes the playoffs in the west? well that would be good enough for the 4th seed.... and a home court slot..

go figure...

What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

Durant isn't leaving OKC anytime soon, so maybe the pacers will have to deal with a very young and vastly improving young stud who is an elite defender and more than competent scorer with a good all around game..

I think they will be just fine...

of course you think they will be fine. Any team without the Melo looooser will be fine in your opinion. Knicks would be better off if he walked for nooooothing in your opinion. You have stated it daily in many ways. We get it. How's Gallo's rehab? Any player not on the Knicks is your hero and wonderful. DK is calling... he just got his Paul George poster laminated so now you can get all oiled up and play with it and still wash it when your done for next time. So you have that going for you.

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

can you formulate any argumetn without bring up carmelo or Gallo.. I mean here you go again.. this is such a losers mentality you have... so let this go on the record... the next time I want to bring up carmelo in a thread that has nothing to do with him, I don't want to hear you complain.. because I will refrence this thread and any other you have done the same thing..

can you fishmike, have a discussion without referencing gallo? I am calling you out here in front of everyone to see.. Typical fish mike..... when he can't defend his boy.. he will pivot elsewhere....

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

no you aren't, you are still but hurt I called you out as a flip flopper, and you continue the trend...

I made a simple comment about agreeing with Phil Jacksons comment.. YOUR BOY PHIL.. as you said and I quote you fishmike "IN PHIL WE TRUST".

But you and the peanut gallery took offense to me agreeing with Phil.. YOUR BOY.. this has nothing to do with hoops. but everything to do with trying to prove that the knicks have been making the right moves.. JUST UNLUCKY!!! rolf.. nah bro.. you cosigned just about every move and you will go to great lengths to protect your views instead of just admitting they were bad moves.... simple and plain, and you continue to do it by now attacking Paul george.. a guy who I know you and every knick fan would cut off your left nut to get... a guy who has more talent than every single player on the Knick, and that goes especially for carmelo, and oh yea, I will throw gallo in there as well....

heck lance stephenson would be the most talented player on the knicks hands down...

I don't get this mentality..... attack good players to make us feel good about the junk we have... I guess that's what actual "haters" do, huh fish?

If you really want to talk sports.. do some research before you post stuff like the pacers not making the playoffs in the west.. Don't attack people because their views don't agree with yours, realize that we probably made a horrible mistake getting carmelo here, and realize every knick fan does not have to like this pile of steaming shyt we currently call the knicks...

do that, and we can talk...

holfresh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:PG is a very good basketball player..But I think folks get caught up in the flashy dunks and his affinity to hit 4 out of 5 three pointers when he is on..Unfortunately he is more off than on...There are lots to basketball to be played between the three pt shot and the dunks...DWade is the picture of that...He is young though and he has time to polish his game...I think media and fans gets ahead of themselves and anoint players as the next one off a playoff series...True stars show up year after year and they challenge you to stop what has made them stars on a nightly basis...

or maybe we get caught up in the fact that he is one of the best two way players in the league and that he plays an all around game.. and that he is one of the best defenders in the league... could it be that?

Well when the game is on the line can you need some one to carry you in stretches, maybe he can draw on his "all around game abilities/best defenders status" to take them over the top...

Agreed. I believe George is close to Kawhi Leonard at thid point in their careers. Leonard and George are two young wings who play good D, but are probably better suited as second or third offensive options on a championship team. I wish both were Knicks.

Totally agree, and U need guys like that to win Championships...Guys who gives u a little of everything...

Would love either player. PG is more polished than Leonard of course at this point. Still think he's 3 notches below LBJ and Durant and 2 below Melo at this point at the SF position, but i'm sure he will continue to get better as his upside is still great.

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

RonRon wrote:Paul George is the best SF with the ability and skills of playing G/PF after both

Lebron
Durant

NO ONE comes close after George in terms of their all round games and abilities, especially with Durant and George's age and success in the NBA thus far

Melo could do it too.

Rudy Gay was that guy too until he went to Toronto and stopped playing team ball.

Paul George is overrated. He's still a really good defender, and Good offensive player, but the kid s no killer instinct or feel for the moment. He disappeared when Indiana needed him. He's like James Harden in that way.

I agree he is very overrated. Good player but people were saying he was top 5 in December, which is just crazy. He's not someone you can build around just yet, maybe down the road. This pacers team got exposed this year. No guarantee that they haven't already peaked and will look a lot different before they can compete for a title.

"people" werent saying he was top 5. Only a couple MElo-haters on this site were. He's really good. Great defense and a good passer. He's a good offensive player but if you compare him to other star players his offensive game is a couple tier below the bigtime scorers in the league, its not even close. People see what they want to see. Pacers made it to the conf finals but are clearly below the other 3 teams that did the same. Way below.

But since PG plays same position as Melo the wanking will go on....

Agreed. Analysts(ESPN) also did their share of propping up George and trying to propel him to something he hasn't reached yet.

Im not even sure the Pacers make the playoffs out west, and if they do its a low seed, but the east is terrible and the Pacers have been very stable and consistent, they are good. They are not great. If Paul George is your go to scorer your going to lose. He's not a lead scorer by any stretch. That is one area not up for debate. Maybe he gets better but he's a very low % guy right now and has games that make Melo's shot selection look picky. I guess if you get some assists and play great D (which he does) your allowed to chuck? Funny isnt it? What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

really fish? and why wouldn't they? what are you basing this off fish? sure not numbers.. because the numbers would tell a different story.

the pacers vs the western conference went 18-12 so that is pretty much winning 60% of their games.. so lets switch the 52 games played in the east to west games and guess what... you get close to 32 wins... they win at a 73% clip vs east teams, so take the 30 games vs east and you get close to 22 wins.. so don't you think 54 wins makes the playoffs in the west? well that would be good enough for the 4th seed.... and a home court slot..

go figure...

What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

Durant isn't leaving OKC anytime soon, so maybe the pacers will have to deal with a very young and vastly improving young stud who is an elite defender and more than competent scorer with a good all around game..

I think they will be just fine...

of course you think they will be fine. Any team without the Melo looooser will be fine in your opinion. Knicks would be better off if he walked for nooooothing in your opinion. You have stated it daily in many ways. We get it. How's Gallo's rehab? Any player not on the Knicks is your hero and wonderful. DK is calling... he just got his Paul George poster laminated so now you can get all oiled up and play with it and still wash it when your done for next time. So you have that going for you.

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

can you formulate any argumetn without bring up carmelo or Gallo.. I mean here you go again.. this is such a losers mentality you have... so let this go on the record... the next time I want to bring up carmelo in a thread that has nothing to do with him, I don't want to hear you complain.. because I will refrence this thread and any other you have done the same thing..

can you fishmike, have a discussion without referencing gallo? I am calling you out here in front of everyone to see.. Typical fish mike..... when he can't defend his boy.. he will pivot elsewhere....

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

no you aren't, you are still but hurt I called you out as a flip flopper, and you continue the trend...

I made a simple comment about agreeing with Phil Jacksons comment.. YOUR BOY PHIL.. as you said and I quote you fishmike "IN PHIL WE TRUST".

But you and the peanut gallery took offense to me agreeing with Phil.. YOUR BOY.. this has nothing to do with hoops. but everything to do with trying to prove that the knicks have been making the right moves.. JUST UNLUCKY!!! rolf.. nah bro.. you cosigned just about every move and you will go to great lengths to protect your views instead of just admitting they were bad moves.... simple and plain, and you continue to do it by now attacking Paul george.. a guy who I know you and every knick fan would cut off your left nut to get... a guy who has more talent than every single player on the Knick, and that goes especially for carmelo, and oh yea, I will throw gallo in there as well....

heck lance stephenson would be the most talented player on the knicks hands down...

I don't get this mentality..... attack good players to make us feel good about the junk we have... I guess that's what actual "haters" do, huh fish?

If you really want to talk sports.. do some research before you post stuff like the pacers not making the playoffs in the west.. Don't attack people because their views don't agree with yours, realize that we probably made a horrible mistake getting carmelo here, and realize every knick fan does not have to like this pile of steaming shyt we currently call the knicks...

do that, and we can talk...

phil jackson has weighed in on the melo trade and there's no two ways about it-- he basically and essentially said it sucked. can't wait to see how the carmelo anthony "negotiations" pan out.