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holfresh
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5/30/2014  2:39 PM
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
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5/30/2014  2:50 PM
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

Melo hate trumps all! Its like the ace of spades. Plus Amare and MDA didnt cost him Gallo.
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5/30/2014  2:59 PM
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

At the time

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holfresh
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5/30/2014  2:59 PM
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

Melo hate trumps all! Its like the ace of spades. Plus Amare and MDA didnt cost him Gallo.

Gallo love >> or = Melo hate I think...
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5/30/2014  4:18 PM
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

Melo hate trumps all! Its like the ace of spades. Plus Amare and MDA didnt cost him Gallo.

Gallo love >> or = Melo hate I think...

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5/30/2014  4:55 PM
The Kerr situation had nothing to do with Phil and the media making it clear Kerr was the choice. The Warriors already had a great relationship with Kerr and the very second he would've been rumored to have interviewed with Phil they would've called him anyway. There was no way to keep that from happening. They didn't like MJax and they loved Kerr as a friend already.

Overall i'm very happy about the change in culture that is taking place under Phil. No matter what happens the underlying culture is what will be most important. As Phil said, they're fortunate if Melo stays or not. Fortunate if Kerr or Fisher comes or not. The most important person right now is Phil and his philosophy for this franchise. You can put in new players and different coaches that should fit in with the culture. Good players will be better and great players better still.
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5/30/2014  5:11 PM
Phil prefers a guy with no experience or previous coaching ties. That quite says it all. He is looking for a young charismatic coaching mind who can be an extention of himself since he can't physically coach himself. It ain't that complicated!
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5/30/2014  5:17 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Phil prefers a guy with no experience or previous coaching ties. That quite says it all. He is looking for a young charismatic coaching mind who can be an extention of himself since he can't physically coach himself. It ain't that complicated!

Phil knows that the ability to inspire players and get them to buy in is key. He can always bring in techinical coaches for the X's and O's to help, but the much harder part is finding a real leader of men. So he knows he has the Triangle as a base but wants a man with intangibles that players will run thru walls for and won't tune out.
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5/31/2014  8:05 PM
The circus show continues.

Steve Kerr denies he had verbal agreement with Phil Jackson and Knicks
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kerr-denies-verbal-agreement-knicks-article-1.1812742

OKLAHOMA CITY _ Steve Kerr doesn't quite agree with Phil Jackson's contention that Kerr made a verbal commitment to take the Knicks' coaching job before he settled on accepting the Warriors' vacancy.

"We were very close, but we never agreed to a contract,'' Kerr told the Daily News Saturday night before working Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals for TNT. "We didn't have a handshake agreement or anything like that. But I did think I was going to go there. And I think Phil and I both thought it was going to happen.''

Kerr's view of what transpired contradicts Jackson's version of things.

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5/31/2014  8:19 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:The circus show continues.

Steve Kerr denies he had verbal agreement with Phil Jackson and Knicks
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kerr-denies-verbal-agreement-knicks-article-1.1812742

OKLAHOMA CITY _ Steve Kerr doesn't quite agree with Phil Jackson's contention that Kerr made a verbal commitment to take the Knicks' coaching job before he settled on accepting the Warriors' vacancy.

"We were very close, but we never agreed to a contract,'' Kerr told the Daily News Saturday night before working Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals for TNT. "We didn't have a handshake agreement or anything like that. But I did think I was going to go there. And I think Phil and I both thought it was going to happen.''

Kerr's view of what transpired contradicts Jackson's version of things.

It's just semantics. Kerr knows he was coming here and then GS came back with a big offer and put on the full court press to convince him to go there. I'm pretty sure he was being really positive with Phil and gave him the impression he wanted to come to NY, before GS made that over the top offer at the end.
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5/31/2014  9:04 PM
nixluva wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:The circus show continues.

Steve Kerr denies he had verbal agreement with Phil Jackson and Knicks
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kerr-denies-verbal-agreement-knicks-article-1.1812742

OKLAHOMA CITY _ Steve Kerr doesn't quite agree with Phil Jackson's contention that Kerr made a verbal commitment to take the Knicks' coaching job before he settled on accepting the Warriors' vacancy.

"We were very close, but we never agreed to a contract,'' Kerr told the Daily News Saturday night before working Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals for TNT. "We didn't have a handshake agreement or anything like that. But I did think I was going to go there. And I think Phil and I both thought it was going to happen.''

Kerr's view of what transpired contradicts Jackson's version of things.

It's just semantics. Kerr knows he was coming here and then GS came back with a big offer and put on the full court press to convince him to go there. I'm pretty sure he was being really positive with Phil and gave him the impression he wanted to come to NY, before GS made that over the top offer at the end.

exactly

Its over so lets move on.
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6/1/2014  4:02 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:The circus show continues.

Steve Kerr denies he had verbal agreement with Phil Jackson and Knicks
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kerr-denies-verbal-agreement-knicks-article-1.1812742

OKLAHOMA CITY _ Steve Kerr doesn't quite agree with Phil Jackson's contention that Kerr made a verbal commitment to take the Knicks' coaching job before he settled on accepting the Warriors' vacancy.

"We were very close, but we never agreed to a contract,'' Kerr told the Daily News Saturday night before working Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals for TNT. "We didn't have a handshake agreement or anything like that. But I did think I was going to go there. And I think Phil and I both thought it was going to happen.''

Kerr's view of what transpired contradicts Jackson's version of things.

It's just semantics. Kerr knows he was coming here and then GS came back with a big offer and put on the full court press to convince him to go there. I'm pretty sure he was being really positive with Phil and gave him the impression he wanted to come to NY, before GS made that over the top offer at the end.

exactly

Its over so lets move on.

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6/2/2014  2:08 PM
I wouldn't bank on a plan whereby we sign an established all star as a FA- it's looking like Kevin Love will be traded to Boston, which also would make it likely Rondo would re-sign with them. If Lebron and co opt out after the finals (and they would be foolish not to), then it leaves no big names really. We still need to clear the cap space for flexibility and perhaps to take on a contract for a pick in the future, perhaps even to sign a player on the cusp, we just ain't going to get an all star that way.
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6/2/2014  2:52 PM
I'm starting to think Phil is gonna end up having to start over. Go with the young guys he feels fit and build a new team here.
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6/2/2014  3:19 PM
New CBA really inhibits big stars from moving. IT was enevitable. Premium is on building thru the draft!

Boston has 10 first round picks in the next 5 years! Its not just thru the draft, one can make trades with a combo of players and picks.
They did it to get Ray and KG.

My take is Phil will look to rehab Bargnani and identify others that we can sign and fit in a system. Good systems develope role players!
Pop got 26 pts form Diaw the other nite who he got on waivers!!

Next generation of champion teams won't be build like the Heat. Pacers and Thunder keep knocking on the door and have Heat/Spurs int their way.

OKC/Indy finals is not the glory match up but NBA is not a regional league anymore.
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6/2/2014  3:53 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm starting to think Phil is gonna end up having to start over. Go with the young guys he feels fit and build a new team here.

Yep, but the loss of our 2016 pick is really going to be a kick to the balls
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6/3/2014  4:08 AM
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm starting to think Phil is gonna end up having to start over. Go with the young guys he feels fit and build a new team here.

Yep, but the loss of our 2016 pick is really going to be a kick to the balls

Just gotta work around that. I think it just makes a bit more work for Phil and the staff to find those diamonds in the rough out there. There's always a good player or 2 that can be found with good scout work.
For the rest of Phil's tenure we'll have picks after 2016. Phil knows he'll be dealing with the mistakes of the past for a few more years. Can't let that shake you tho.

It would be great if deals Phil makes this summer lead to more picks in the future and some young prospects now. This is likely his plan anyway.
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6/3/2014  11:29 AM
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?

what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/3/2014  11:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2014  11:36 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

At the time

true and it is an irrelevant and baiting question.. at the time MDA was the best coach available and amare the best FA available... Amare knees betrayed him and dantoni was sabotaged by a bunch of malcontents one who was traded here in one of the worst trades in knick history..

even after getting amare and MDA the knicks still had picks, assets and a future... and on top of that they had nothing to do with what phil touched on.. he talked about not overpaying for carmelo, not trading away picks, and not negotiation vs themselves... well none of that was done with amare and Dantoni... only knick fans who are still trying to justify this teams silly moves will detract from, the real issues at hand.. hence you get a ridiculous question like this

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

which is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/3/2014  11:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2014  11:35 AM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?

what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?

You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
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