Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:If they played with the rules as they are today I think LBJ would foul out the entire Knicks team.

If they rules were still the same as it were back then, LBJ wouldn't dear enter then lane so freely. Who gaurd EWING, and mase was strong enough and quick enough to contain LBJ, starks can gurd wade, and anybody can guard Bosh and and ray..

Time and space makes the heart grow fonder!!!

Nobody could guard Jordan. Jordan was 6-6 and about 200lbs while Lebron is 6-8 260.

Jordan had Pippen to guard the opponents best player. It was smart. Jordan was a great defender btw!! Pip was a great wingman!

Starks mental breakdowns left him vulnerable. The untimely Tech, the erratic shooting. I loved the guy lets not forget the whole picture.

NO doubt Lebron would not have the clear path to the rim, but neither did Jordan. Lebron was a better passer so that might negate some of that.

Jordan was a god. Mase and Starks were great athletes but not the sharpest crayons in the box.

Jordan killed the knicks, Why would Lebron do any worse? Jordans edge was he was a sociopath. Lebron has stopped clowning and far more focused the last few years.

Im no fan of Lebron but huge respect. Same for Jordan, I hated losing to the bulls but had to learn to appreciate what I was witness to. Same with Lebron. Don't let hate get in the way of appreciation of other players.

mental nalod.. Jordan already been through the pistons, mahorn and ruland, and became mentally tough to the physical play, it only made him play better.. Lebron doesn't... when fouled hard this dude goes complaining to the media.. another thing is the killer instict.. Jordan had that in spades...His level of competitiveness was unmatched.. not sure I can say that about lebron..

sidsanders wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:With no zone defenses to throw at Lebron he'd be mighty hard to contain.

It's an interesting thought experiment to do but in the end it's most assuredly impossible to state definitively that the 90's Knicks would beat the current Heat squad at their respective apex.

I can definitively say that that knicks team would be demolished but the Heat I may be in the minority but I think that the Heat beat the bulls too.

Boy would I love to see Lebron dee up against Jordan.

I know that MJ is considered the greatest of all time but Lebron is doing things that even surpass his airness.

He can guard every position, he is a better passer, and he is the more efficient shooter. They both are all world defenders and Jordan gets the edge on clutch shooting but Lebron has become a money 4th quarter player.

If Lebron wins this year then I think he officially gets into the conversation.

I also think that the competition is a bit stiffer now.

dont agree with that part at all. nba is watered down. too many teams, not enough talent.

It is watered down but not at the top IMHO.

Teams like SA will probably not even win this year. Who was better than they are?

Utah was a good second place team but not SA.

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:If they played with the rules as they are today I think LBJ would foul out the entire Knicks team.

If they rules were still the same as it were back then, LBJ wouldn't dear enter then lane so freely. Who gaurd EWING, and mase was strong enough and quick enough to contain LBJ, starks can gurd wade, and anybody can guard Bosh and and ray..

Time and space makes the heart grow fonder!!!

Nobody could guard Jordan. Jordan was 6-6 and about 200lbs while Lebron is 6-8 260.

Jordan had Pippen to guard the opponents best player. It was smart. Jordan was a great defender btw!! Pip was a great wingman!

Starks mental breakdowns left him vulnerable. The untimely Tech, the erratic shooting. I loved the guy lets not forget the whole picture.

NO doubt Lebron would not have the clear path to the rim, but neither did Jordan. Lebron was a better passer so that might negate some of that.

Jordan was a god. Mase and Starks were great athletes but not the sharpest crayons in the box.

Jordan killed the knicks, Why would Lebron do any worse? Jordans edge was he was a sociopath. Lebron has stopped clowning and far more focused the last few years.

Im no fan of Lebron but huge respect. Same for Jordan, I hated losing to the bulls but had to learn to appreciate what I was witness to. Same with Lebron. Don't let hate get in the way of appreciation of other players.

mental nalod.. Jordan already been through the pistons, mahorn and ruland, and became mentally tough to the physical play, it only made him play better.. Lebron doesn't... when fouled hard this dude goes complaining to the media.. another thing is the killer instict.. Jordan had that in spades...His level of competitiveness was unmatched.. not sure I can say that about lebron..

I agree with the mental. But........Lebron will be going to his 4th straight finals. Something Mike never did. The mysterious "retirement" ended that. Was it Gambling? A breakdown? Did Mob knock off his pops? There is something not being told.

Lebron is showing a tougher side. Nobody was the stone cold killer that was jordan but we talking about a ocmplete career where Lebron still has a few years left. This will be Lebrons 5th trip to the finals. Gotta give props to that!

Jordan had to learn to contain himself to get thru the Pistons. Lebron after losing to Dallas stopped clowning on the court. Big change.

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:If they played with the rules as they are today I think LBJ would foul out the entire Knicks team.

If they rules were still the same as it were back then, LBJ wouldn't dear enter then lane so freely. Who gaurd EWING, and mase was strong enough and quick enough to contain LBJ, starks can gurd wade, and anybody can guard Bosh and and ray..

Time and space makes the heart grow fonder!!!

Nobody could guard Jordan. Jordan was 6-6 and about 200lbs while Lebron is 6-8 260.

Jordan had Pippen to guard the opponents best player. It was smart. Jordan was a great defender btw!! Pip was a great wingman!

Starks mental breakdowns left him vulnerable. The untimely Tech, the erratic shooting. I loved the guy lets not forget the whole picture.

NO doubt Lebron would not have the clear path to the rim, but neither did Jordan. Lebron was a better passer so that might negate some of that.

Jordan was a god. Mase and Starks were great athletes but not the sharpest crayons in the box.

Jordan killed the knicks, Why would Lebron do any worse? Jordans edge was he was a sociopath. Lebron has stopped clowning and far more focused the last few years.

Im no fan of Lebron but huge respect. Same for Jordan, I hated losing to the bulls but had to learn to appreciate what I was witness to. Same with Lebron. Don't let hate get in the way of appreciation of other players.

mental nalod.. Jordan already been through the pistons, mahorn and ruland, and became mentally tough to the physical play, it only made him play better.. Lebron doesn't... when fouled hard this dude goes complaining to the media.. another thing is the killer instict.. Jordan had that in spades...His level of competitiveness was unmatched.. not sure I can say that about lebron..

I agree with the mental. But........Lebron will be going to his 4th straight finals. Something Mike never did. The mysterious "retirement" ended that. Was it Gambling? A breakdown? Did Mob knock off his pops? There is something not being told.

Lebron is showing a tougher side. Nobody was the stone cold killer that was jordan but we talking about a ocmplete career where Lebron still has a few years left. This will be Lebrons 5th trip to the finals. Gotta give props to that!

Jordan had to learn to contain himself to get thru the Pistons. Lebron after losing to Dallas stopped clowning on the court. Big change.

good points but lets be honest, the cavs teams MJ beat would be one of the best teams in the NBA right now, as would the knicks teams from back then, Celtics, Pistons.. going to 4 straight finals is nice, but MJ three peated twice, something lebron has not done and one more thing.. Jordan was clear when he said this... what seperates him from Bird and magic and other greats is that He never was beat in the finals..

Lebron benefits from the New NBA, the new rules which are heavily geared towards offensive players.. imagine Bernard king and Jordan playing with todays rules.. they would set scoring records that would blow your mind..

lebron is a great player, but I see a weakness in him, I will call it like it is.. he has a case of the "Bitch" dude is a bitch... unlike kobe, who is just a killer on the court, killer mentality, killer approach.. lebron is the type of guy who will hit a three with his team up 3 and he starts pounding his chest like king kong.. Honestly can you name any big shots lebron hit.. Any career defining shots? He is more than happy to pass those shots on to ray allen and chris bosh.. Again, lebron is a great player, and could play in any era, I am not doubting HIS skills.. I am questioning his makeup... his mental makeup.. I think the dude is a bit fragile...

It would depend on the rules of the game. If the rules were like in the 90s or 80s we win. If the rules are like the punk rules of today they win and Oakly , Starks, and Mason would be thrown out every game.

mreinman wrote:If this would be the 90's the heat (and riley) would have to goons on the team to keep the peace and protect and lets face it, Lebron is 260. Who on the knicks was stopping him? LJ? That team had heart (thanks to riley) but that team lacked talent.

Team lacked talent\
however I seen alot of them 80s, 90s playoff series
even the JKidd, Kmart 2000+ yrs Nets

Believe the Knicks and few foes back then getting undercut in terms of what they brought to the floor
Of course LJ isnt Lebron and would have been a tough matched vs Lebron

However with all the glitz and glamour of Lebron and Wade, once you get past the other HEAT players
please dont make rest of squad out to be the MJohnson Lakers and bench showtime talents.

These Heat are great/good only cause of competition now (so so) Seeing the Pacers being better 1-2 yrs ago
and watching how bad they seem now isnt a good gauge vs. Heat

If you believe cause of Lebron those BULLs, Knicks, Blazers, Jazz, Pistons and also
Celts late 80s - mid 90s teams was going to bow out to great Lebron

I think seriously underestimate some of what those prior teams brought to playoff games