mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

I think you can get an upgrade without taking on Calderon and I'm not sure Dallas would give him up anyway. A pg as bad offensively as Felton but with better D is an upgrade.

Calderon is a decent PG but expensive and would kill our flexibility. I think that would be a terrible move.

I wouldn't say it would kill flexibility but it would deter it for a player that is defensively challenged and already on his last legs.

I think Tyson market is pretty good considering Scola got Phx 2 players and a 1st. Scola is not even a starter and lacks D, doesn't rebound, and is not efficient.

I think phx is a good Tyson destination since they are looking to make a run. Plus they have one of the better medical staffs and the dry heat might be just what Tyson needs to beast.

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

marginal losses resulted in 54 wins to 37 wins. Do you really think this is a 37 win team? Calderon doesnt have to be Nash... run some plays, hit the 3s and get into the paint to create a bit... all in Calderon's wheelhouse, all simple things our PGs utterly failed to do last year.

I hear you on the salary, but more and more Im thinking we dont go the cap space route, rather we trade for longer more expensive guys to upgrade the roster. I dont think Phil risks swinging and missing in FA, and thats a real possibility. If we let everyone come off the books after getting Melo to take a bit less to add another max and a half guy, and we cant get a star in here the Phil Jackson era just became more of the same.

The last four seasons we've finished with 42, 44(equivalent), 54, and 37 wins. I believe that the 54 win season is an aberration and we shouldn't be basing decisions using that year as a baseline; we've been a bad/mediocre team for three out of the last four years with one random good year. And are we making this trade before or after Melo resigns? Because if it's just a ploy to get Melo to resign then it's an even worse trade.

so for the first three years since the Melo trade we were getting better each year, including adding wins in the plaoffs going from sweep to a couple wins to the 2nd round. Also this is the first year after 10ish in the league Melo's team has a 1) had a losing record and 2) failed to make the playoffs. Considering the performance by the rest of the roster I would say the 37 wins is close to an aberration the other seasons.

We dont need a star PG to get back to 45-50 wins. Just a quality player. Calderon would certainly fit all the needs. He's very consistent. Maybe not the highest ceiling but we need to upgrade first and get back to quality play.

as soon as the trade for carmelo anthony was made it jolted the knicks franchise into "win-now" mode from patiently rebuilding. it was a stupid-ass trade since we already had stoudemire here. we done got the wrong "second superstar."

any claims to "improvement" are truly vapid. the window to compete for a title has now closed in the first run with this dude. only melo and his slobbering and desperate fanbase can compartmentalize in such a way that you go from
"win now" to
"lin's contract is a ridiculous" to
"i am playing harder for woodson" to
"it will take time to rebuild" to
"i want to test free agency."

the knicks should simply cut their losses and not prolong this charade that they have any hope of competing with carmelo as a centerpiece.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

marginal losses resulted in 54 wins to 37 wins. Do you really think this is a 37 win team? Calderon doesnt have to be Nash... run some plays, hit the 3s and get into the paint to create a bit... all in Calderon's wheelhouse, all simple things our PGs utterly failed to do last year.

I hear you on the salary, but more and more Im thinking we dont go the cap space route, rather we trade for longer more expensive guys to upgrade the roster. I dont think Phil risks swinging and missing in FA, and thats a real possibility. If we let everyone come off the books after getting Melo to take a bit less to add another max and a half guy, and we cant get a star in here the Phil Jackson era just became more of the same.

The last four seasons we've finished with 42, 44(equivalent), 54, and 37 wins. I believe that the 54 win season is an aberration and we shouldn't be basing decisions using that year as a baseline; we've been a bad/mediocre team for three out of the last four years with one random good year. And are we making this trade before or after Melo resigns? Because if it's just a ploy to get Melo to resign then it's an even worse trade.

so for the first three years since the Melo trade we were getting better each year, including adding wins in the plaoffs going from sweep to a couple wins to the 2nd round. Also this is the first year after 10ish in the league Melo's team has a 1) had a losing record and 2) failed to make the playoffs. Considering the performance by the rest of the roster I would say the 37 wins is close to an aberration the other seasons.

We dont need a star PG to get back to 45-50 wins. Just a quality player. Calderon would certainly fit all the needs. He's very consistent. Maybe not the highest ceiling but we need to upgrade first and get back to quality play.

as soon as the trade for carmelo anthony was made it jolted the knicks franchise into "win-now" mode from patiently rebuilding. it was a stupid-ass trade since we already had stoudemire here. we done got the wrong "second superstar."

any claims to "improvement" are truly vapid. the window to compete for a title has now closed in the first run with this dude. only melo and his slobbering and desperate fanbase can compartmentalize in such a way that you go from
"win now" to
"lin's contract is a ridiculous" to
"i am playing harder for woodson" to
"it will take time to rebuild" to
"i want to test free agency."

the knicks should simply cut their losses and not prolong this charade that they have any hope of competing with carmelo as a centerpiece.

Who said he had to be the center piece, why can't he just be classified as a piece..

Vmart wrote:Ending contract yields a lot more than Calderon. Have get back a pick in the deal.

More than Calderon?...like what exactly?

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

marginal losses resulted in 54 wins to 37 wins. Do you really think this is a 37 win team? Calderon doesnt have to be Nash... run some plays, hit the 3s and get into the paint to create a bit... all in Calderon's wheelhouse, all simple things our PGs utterly failed to do last year.

I hear you on the salary, but more and more Im thinking we dont go the cap space route, rather we trade for longer more expensive guys to upgrade the roster. I dont think Phil risks swinging and missing in FA, and thats a real possibility. If we let everyone come off the books after getting Melo to take a bit less to add another max and a half guy, and we cant get a star in here the Phil Jackson era just became more of the same.

The last four seasons we've finished with 42, 44(equivalent), 54, and 37 wins. I believe that the 54 win season is an aberration and we shouldn't be basing decisions using that year as a baseline; we've been a bad/mediocre team for three out of the last four years with one random good year. And are we making this trade before or after Melo resigns? Because if it's just a ploy to get Melo to resign then it's an even worse trade.

so for the first three years since the Melo trade we were getting better each year, including adding wins in the plaoffs going from sweep to a couple wins to the 2nd round. Also this is the first year after 10ish in the league Melo's team has a 1) had a losing record and 2) failed to make the playoffs. Considering the performance by the rest of the roster I would say the 37 wins is close to an aberration the other seasons.

We dont need a star PG to get back to 45-50 wins. Just a quality player. Calderon would certainly fit all the needs. He's very consistent. Maybe not the highest ceiling but we need to upgrade first and get back to quality play.

as soon as the trade for carmelo anthony was made it jolted the knicks franchise into "win-now" mode from patiently rebuilding. it was a stupid-ass trade since we already had stoudemire here. we done got the wrong "second superstar."

any claims to "improvement" are truly vapid. the window to compete for a title has now closed in the first run with this dude. only melo and his slobbering and desperate fanbase can compartmentalize in such a way that you go from
"win now" to
"lin's contract is a ridiculous" to
"i am playing harder for woodson" to
"it will take time to rebuild" to
"i want to test free agency."

the knicks should simply cut their losses and not prolong this charade that they have any hope of competing with carmelo as a centerpiece.

Who said he had to be the center piece, why can't he just be classified as a piece..

at 12-14 million he would be a piece. anything more and it will be impossible to build a winner.

Vmart wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ending contract yields a lot more than Calderon. Have get back a pick in the deal.

More than Calderon?...like what exactly?

A pick

meloshouldgo wrote:If he makes more money than anyone else in the team he is expected to be the centerpiece. He is a second tier star that demanded first tier salary. That's why he is in the position he is in. If we keep him he should not get more than the 12 - 15 M range/ year. Then he can be just one one of the pieces.

Who do you consider to be 2nd tier stars?