smackeddog wrote:Kahn's legacy lives on- brilliant idea of his not to give his top player the max length of contract when everyone knew they'd struggle to re-sign him when he became a free agent.

YOu think the owner did not drive that decision?

Love I think had foot problems. ONe more year and Love would be asking the same thing. HE got the money, it was the length.

sometimes you over pay, and sometimes you under.

I don't see Love here with Melo unless its a convaluted multi team deal my imagination (sources) can't reach to grasp.

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Kahn's legacy lives on- brilliant idea of his not to give his top player the max length of contract when everyone knew they'd struggle to re-sign him when he became a free agent.

YOu think the owner did not drive that decision?

Love I think had foot problems. ONe more year and Love would be asking the same thing. HE got the money, it was the length.

sometimes you over pay, and sometimes you under.

I don't see Love here with Melo unless its a convaluted multi team deal my imagination (sources) can't reach to grasp.

Look at Kahn's track record- one of the worst GMs in history! His master plan was to save the 5 year franchise contract for Rubio, rather than use in on Love...

Love is not leaving because he is mad at that deal beacause they can extend him with a new max, he is tired of the losing and wants to be in the big show. He has the leverage now.

Yes, it was a mistake but if Rubio had lived up to his potential, Did not lose a year because his ACL, they had better continuity with Adelman (dude was worried about his wife half the time) and were further alone in winning (on paper they were pretty good the last two years) then maybe his outlook would be different. If you have to be in Minny, it should be a winning situation, if not, it sucks. I'd rather be in Los Angeles, single, making 20 mil a year!

knickscity wrote:Unless Love says Knicks and no one else, we have no shot at all.

+1

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:We have no assets to trade for love. The only way is if we were able to trade tyson for a 1st round pick and do a S/T with Melo to get more assets. So Free agency is the only way to get him BUT we know a lot of players/coaches use the Knicks for leverage

Love's going to get traded before he ever sees free agency. The Wolves are not stupid enough to gamble that big, considering their odds. I've been saying that for months.

Once Again we have no ASSETS unless we can trade tyson/melo for some picks which i hope we do anyway. Anyway other teams can offer so much more than us even if he is only a rental

I never suggested we had any assets outside of Melo, Hardaway and Chandler. It's why I said that we need to liquidate their value and use it to get Love (and Dieng) here.

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:I think Phoenix is his most likely landing spot. They have a ton of picks they can use in a trade and they're far enough under the cap that they should be able to absorb Love's deal without having to send any money back to Minnesota.

I actually think the Knicks can get involved in this if they liquidated Melo's and Tyson's value and were willing to take back the Wolves' longer termed deals. A package including Boston's picks or a bundle of Chicago's picks and assets should get it done.

Even if we could trade off Melo and Tyson for enough assets to interest Minnesota why would Love agree to resign here? The whole reason he wants to get out of Minnesota is because they suck and haven't been able to put a decent team around him. He's going to agree to resign with a Knicks team that sucks even more and had no way to put a decent team around him?

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:I think Phoenix is his most likely landing spot. They have a ton of picks they can use in a trade and they're far enough under the cap that they should be able to absorb Love's deal without having to send any money back to Minnesota.

I actually think the Knicks can get involved in this if they liquidated Melo's and Tyson's value and were willing to take back the Wolves' longer termed deals. A package including Boston's picks or a bundle of Chicago's picks and assets should get it done.

Even if we could trade off Melo and Tyson for enough assets to interest Minnesota why would Love agree to resign here? The whole reason he wants to get out of Minnesota is because they suck and haven't been able to put a decent team around him. He's going to agree to resign with a Knicks team that sucks even more and had no way to put a decent team around him?

The East is a far easier road to take in the playoffs than the West. Plus, with only his contract for 2015, we could make some serious improvements to tempt him into staying.

H1AND1 wrote:I just can't get excited for Love. Is he really a 1A star who can be the anchor for a team? To me he's more of a Carmelo type of star who you add to an "almost there" core that aready has star or two. Plus he plays absolutely horrendous D.

Id rather bide our time if Carmelo leaves, get a high pick in 2015 and use the space we have that year to get some quality pieces. If Love is there then, Ok, but if not in the words of Phil Jackson let's "move forward".

If Melo stays, a Love/Melo pairing seems problematic so it's a moot point.

Do we even have any assets anyway? He'd have to force his way to NY and only NY b

Then who are really stars..Is it just LeBron and Durant??..These are generational players...There are plenty of teams in the NBA that are competing with guys who are not considered 1A stars...Dallas won without a 1A star...SA doesn't have that 1A star...Memphis competes without a 1A star...

The idea that many here have that you can pick up a Durant and LeBron in the draft is crazy...

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:I just can't get excited for Love. Is he really a 1A star who can be the anchor for a team? To me he's more of a Carmelo type of star who you add to an "almost there" core that aready has star or two. Plus he plays absolutely horrendous D.

Id rather bide our time if Carmelo leaves, get a high pick in 2015 and use the space we have that year to get some quality pieces. If Love is there then, Ok, but if not in the words of Phil Jackson let's "move forward".

If Melo stays, a Love/Melo pairing seems problematic so it's a moot point.

Do we even have any assets anyway? He'd have to force his way to NY and only NY b

Then who are really stars..Is it just LeBron and Durant??..These are generational players...There are plenty of teams in the NBA that are competing with guys who are not considered 1A stars...Dallas won without a 1A star...SA doesn't have that 1A star...Memphis competes without a 1A star...

The idea that many here have that you can pick up a Durant and LeBron in the draft is crazy...

+1

Those 2 guys are all time greats not just 1A's, and Lebron is a 1A++++++.

Duncan is arguably considered the best power forward of all time.

Wade won without Lebron and he play like a 1A.

CP3 is a 1A.

Dirk certainly played like a 1A in that championship year.

Melo and Love are far from 1A's, the only team that won recently without a 1A was Detroit.

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:I just can't get excited for Love. Is he really a 1A star who can be the anchor for a team? To me he's more of a Carmelo type of star who you add to an "almost there" core that aready has star or two. Plus he plays absolutely horrendous D.

Id rather bide our time if Carmelo leaves, get a high pick in 2015 and use the space we have that year to get some quality pieces. If Love is there then, Ok, but if not in the words of Phil Jackson let's "move forward".

If Melo stays, a Love/Melo pairing seems problematic so it's a moot point.

Do we even have any assets anyway? He'd have to force his way to NY and only NY b

Then who are really stars..Is it just LeBron and Durant??..These are generational players...There are plenty of teams in the NBA that are competing with guys who are not considered 1A stars...Dallas won without a 1A star...SA doesn't have that 1A star...Memphis competes without a 1A star...

The idea that many here have that you can pick up a Durant and LeBron in the draft is crazy...

+1

Those 2 guys are all time greats not just 1A's, and Lebron is a 1A++++++.

Duncan is arguably considered the best power forward of all time.

Wade won without Lebron and he play like a 1A.

CP3 is a 1A.

Dirk certainly played like a 1A in that championship year.

Melo and Love are far from 1A's, the only team that won recently without a 1A was Detroit.

Crazy..Duncan isn't close to being what he once was and they are still competing...Wade had Shaq at a very high level...Dirk was never a 1A player, dude plays zero defense and u see his rebounding numbers for a 7 footer??..CP3 is not a 1A player, he is a very good PG and he has slipped some this year but his surrounding cast is much better...It's a team game...

Melo and Love would be a nightmare in the right situations...