Kerr took the job he preferred. No sense reading into it anything more. Sure , the Knicks have Dolan to lament about. But if you think PJ is now abandoning all hope because his plan A didn't play out, you're a goofball.

It's on to plan B. Sheesh.

jrodmc wrote:

Markji wrote:I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.

I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.

I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)

3,000 miles and 500 miles. Math isn't really your thing, is it?

If Kerr is focused on being a head coach, there won't be many opportunities during the season to just kick back and spend time with the family - whether they are 500 miles away or 3,000 miles away.

Dagger wrote:

Markji wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Markji wrote:I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.

I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.

I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)

3,000 miles and 500 miles. Math isn't really your thing, is it?

Oh, wrong. I majored in Math in college for the first 2 yrs. Then switched to engineering.
The point I was making is that 500 miles away isn't being "close to home."
3,000 miles is further than 500 miles. I get that. But neither is being close to home.

If Kerr is focused on being a head coach, there won't be many opportunities during the season to just kick back and spend time with the family - whether they are 500 miles away or 3,000 miles away.

Yup, and what's the difference between 500 miles and 3000 miles, a couple hours on a plane flight? You're not driving 500 miles back and forth like it's nothing, that drive takes at least a day, it's not some casual thing.

I don't blame Kerr this winter was brutal. Even I'm thinking about leaving for a warmer place.

Markji wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Markji wrote:I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.

I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.

I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)

3,000 miles and 500 miles. Math isn't really your thing, is it?

Oh, wrong. I majored in Math in college for the first 2 yrs. Then switched to engineering.
The point I was making is that 500 miles away isn't being "close to home."
3,000 miles is further than 500 miles. I get that. But neither is being close to home.

If Kerr is focused on being a head coach, there won't be many opportunities during the season to just kick back and spend time with the family - whether they are 500 miles away or 3,000 miles away.

That's why JVG hasn't been in any rush to get back to coaching. When he lived in Westchester and had 30 or so minute commute to MSG or even shorter for their practice facility he was working endless hours. Houston was more of the same. He was 100% committed to doing everything he could to help his team win. What's his quote: There's winning and then there's misery"? That kind of thinking drives coaches, players, many owners, and pretty much all fans.

It's not the physical distance that will take you away from your family, it's the focus that the job requires. And let's be real, where I live military families are moving all over the place every 18 months to three years. Fathers and/or mothers are assigned for tours on the other side of the planet. Moving isn't eh end of the world and the Knicks were definitely going to pay him enough to move his family and allow him to send his kids on trips to hang with their friends.

And he's not getting home every night with a 500 mile commute regardless of mode of travel. He's deluding himself a bit on many levels. It's good for him, but how does he get $5 per when Stan Van Gundy only gets $7 per to run bb opps AND coach. He's highly overvalued for an unproven talent.

So who's next on the list?

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Dagger wrote:It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.

poor form LOL. way to twist it.

he turned the knicks down because he wants to work in california with younger and better talent... the end.

Or he couldn't handle the pressure of NYC, or he only wanted the money.

pressure of NYC? lets not over blow that, what pressure is there to win here? we lose and the fans and management make excuses and give extensions.... right now he has pressure going to a 50+ win team, replacing a coach who was very popular with the star players on tha team..

money?

he was getting paid either way....

jrodmc wrote:

Markji wrote:I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.

I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.

I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)

3,000 miles and 500 miles. Math isn't really your thing, is it?

and accepting reality doesn't seem to be yours.. if you think the only reason or main reason he took the GS job was because of family, then you are fooling yourself.. if his family was in NY, I still think he takes the GS job, for the reasons markji listed, especially..

let me ask you this.. if the Sac kings offered him the job, do you think he takes that over the knicks?

Dagger wrote:

Markji wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Markji wrote:I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.

I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.

I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)

3,000 miles and 500 miles. Math isn't really your thing, is it?

Oh, wrong. I majored in Math in college for the first 2 yrs. Then switched to engineering.
The point I was making is that 500 miles away isn't being "close to home."
3,000 miles is further than 500 miles. I get that. But neither is being close to home.

If Kerr is focused on being a head coach, there won't be many opportunities during the season to just kick back and spend time with the family - whether they are 500 miles away or 3,000 miles away.

Yup, and what's the difference between 500 miles and 3000 miles, a couple hours on a plane flight? You're not driving 500 miles back and forth like it's nothing, that drive takes at least a day, it's not some casual thing.

yep, I live in Georgia, my father moved from NY to south carolina 13 years ago...for me that is just a 3 hour drive, close to 200 miles.. and I haven't driven to SC in 7 months, yet I have been to miami, DC, nevada, Arizona, a few times since then... a few hours on the plane and I am anywhere I want to be....

Dagger wrote:It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.

Steve Kerr once worked for the Phoenix Suns as their general manager and was getting attention from the Lakers, Jazz, Cavs as well as the Knicks and Warriors to be their coach. I would think that Kerr had A LOT going for him to demand that kind of audience. Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith and Patrick Ewing were household names and still did not get those offers despite having an interest in coaching and/or as a team executive.

grillco wrote:Let's flip it and think about how Kerr screwed up:

1) NY is potentially one year away from a clean slate. Maybe even a team with a discounted Melo and the cap space and flexibility to get him a partner and some significant other tools to be a contender. A team built in Phil's image and that Kerr could have developed. GS has it's team in place and expectations, which leads to...

2) GS just fired the coach that has given them the most success they've had in decades. It's not like they lost to a bad team, the Clippers faltered a bit and then were empowered by Sterling's stupidity and prejudice. They are an elite team and I'm not sure the Warriors are just yet. This is not an organization that has done well by its coaches.

3) As such Kerr isn't likely to get any leeway and has actually more pressure than he would in NY to maintain a high success level in what is historically the better conference. Anything less than a second round berth would be a failure.

4) No mentorship from Phil. That alone would theoretically be worth its experience weight in gold.

I don't know that his rejecting NY will have any effect on the Knicks. But I we'll certainly see how things play out for him in GS. That said, unlike Marc Jackson I have no interest in Kerr or the Warriors (though I'd like to see Lee succeed), so I won't be keeping any sort of track.

While all of that may be true, it does not nullify my earlier points. Losing Kerr just doesn't look good and sends a bunch of subliminal messages that debases our image to prospective players/employees.

nyk4ever wrote:from alan hahn:

The key quote in rookie coach Steve Kerr's explanation of why he didn't take the Knicks job: "I think they're going to turn it around, but going to be a big undertaking and it's going to take time. The idea of doing that 3,000 miles from home, it just didn't feel right."

doesn't seem like it has to do with anything other than kerr wanting to be on the west coast.

The Knicks job is a project or work in progress. You want a coach who is willing to take on this type of project with no hesitation. You do not want a coach who hesitates or thinks that the Knicks job is too big of an undertaking. The quote above by Kerr reveals him to be a Prima Donna who does not want to put in the work or time it takes to help coach/revamp the team into a consistent winner. He was highly sought after to be the next "it" coach and this allowed him to be able to negotiate an extremely high salary for a first time coach. Aside from that, he is still unproven as a coach.

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Kerr has teenage kids why relocate the family now?

Because they are teenagers and it's time to take the tit out of their mouths. When I was their age teen, I was boning my girlfriend on the regular and worked after school. They can handle their Dad being gone a few weeks out of the year. Besides, aren't most of his kids in college/going to college?

Your future kids salute you and your arrested adolescent approach to 21st century parenting.

If it was an opportunity to better understand what the responsibilities of a job were like, then yeah. But, I was doing it out of need to pay for college, which ended up in me averaging about 4 hours of sleep a night and a host of health problems (e.g. bouts of depression, chronic exhaustion, heart problems, stunted growth at 6"2' and this weird **** where ever 1.5 years my T-cells drop below 500 and my doctor's think I have cancer...only to not bother to follow up on it because I have/had ****ty insurance). I wouldn't recommend that grind to any developing adult.