Andrew wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:yeah he's going to listen to the guy who wears womens underwear instead of the guy with 11 rings. ok.

Papabear Says

Then whats taking him so long? Why is the price for Kerr off the chart? This is a little bit like Linsanity The money he is asking for is more than top proven coaches get and he haven't coached a game.

Everyone has their own price. Lets look at this very closely. The "reported" price is via Berman initially, and without attributing a source. Was it the agents starting point? Did the Knicks ask Kerr what he wanted, and of course you ask for the world and start negotiating from there? This could also be the price that Kerr wants to (1) leave a nice job at TNT that pays who knows what, and (2) makes it worthwhile for him to leave his family and join our mess of a family. Its not like Kerr is desperate for a job here, and that the Knicks have such a great history with coaches that everyone is just chomping at the bit to come here. Comparing salaries to other coaches isn't relevant in this situation.

Papabear Says

If Steve Kerr is the all and all and Phil can't do this job without him we are in trouble. I do not think that Kerr was in LA with him when he won those rings. So what about those coaches? Hell They tell Melo to take less but they sure ain't. What happened to Phil coming home as a hero to help where he got his first 2 rings from? Hey I love the Phil hire but I have a problem with Steve Kerr especially when Phil will be telling him everything to do. Now after thinking about it I changed my mind about him going to GS. He ain't got the heart! Here is a team playoff ready with very good players. Why ?? Because here he has Phil to hide behind getting 6 million a year. What a joke.

Honestly i have no idea what you are trying to say.

Papabear Says

LOL nor do I have any idea what you are trying to say or where you are going with this.

dk7th wrote:here's the big reason why kerr had to say no to the knicks, according to harvey araton: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/sports/basketball/for-kerr-knicks-job-had-its-pros-jackson-and-cons-dolan.html?ref=basketball

"In assessing the Knicks’ situation, Kerr had told confidants that he believed Anthony could be a dynamic player in the triangle offense that Jackson is hoping to have his new coach install. But Kerr was less sanguine about whether Anthony, who will turn 30 this month, would be eager to retailor his game at this point in his career.

Kerr was wary of Anthony’s willingness to deal with a learning curve, along with the prospect of a roster reconstruction, or what he described to NBA.com as “a big undertaking” that would “take time.”"

the knicks are in a real pickle. any coach who comes here needs to know whether anthiny is going to be a knick, for better or worse. and anthiny probably wants to see what coach is hired.

the organization has to be ordered from the top down, a coach has to be installed and if melo walks because he doesn't approve-- or he doesn't like the money, then "man are we fortunate."

“It was agonizing to say no to Phil because of what I think of him and what he’s done for my career,” Kerr said in an interview Wednesday night with NBA.com. “When Phil Jackson asks you to coach the Knicks, how do you say no?”

He found a way because everything he wanted — better terms, team and locality — was out West, where he is from.

Kerr is close with Rick Welts, president and chief of operations for the Warriors, and that made the Golden State job especially appealing to him.

Welts is a longtime N.B.A. executive who worked in the Suns’ front office when Kerr was there.

Beyond proximity to his wife and home in San Diego, his mother in Los Angeles and his daughter, a student at U.C. Berkeley, the Warriors offered a playoff-ready roster with a younger and more attractive superstar in Stephen Curry than what the Knicks would present, assuming they can re-sign Carmelo Anthony.

Kerr also worried about Dolan’s patience and his willingness to allow Jackson the freedom to potentially let Anthony — Dolan’s signature acquisition and the Knicks’ only brand-name star — leave as a free agent this summer should they fail to agree on how much of a hometown discount, if any, Anthony should accept to give Jackson salary-cap flexibility.

In doing his homework and speaking to many people about Dolan’s methodology, Kerr became concerned about an inevitable clash between ownership and the fiercely independent and occasionally iconoclastic Jackson.

Perhaps the most appealing aspect of the Warriors job is that Kerr can more easily create his own coaching persona. No matter whom he hires, Phil Jackson is bound to cast a long coaching shadow as president of the Knicks. Kerr, who also played for Gregg Popovich in San Antonio, told The San Jose Mercury News on Thursday that he would probably install only some aspects of the triangle because “the game has changed, and I think my philosophy would reflect that.”

dk7th wrote:it's more the pros of being there than the cons of being here. but outside of phil jackson the knicks offer a lot of cons.

most posters balked at the money and the number of guaranteed years as it is-- even if it had no impact on the salary cap. hopefully those same posters are relieved and not outraged at this betrayal.

meanwhile any coach who comes here is going to have to waste a year of his career, much like the two years mike d'antoni willingly wasted with the expectation of having the freedom to shape and mold a roster, much like van gundy in detroit now.

i detect a trend moving forward here-- with the advent of metrics and information technology in general, coaches are going to have a much more active role in gm'ing.

that was just hol posting over and over and over and over again. Most posters didn't give a rats ass about the money or the years, some welcomed it.

You say "waste a year of career", some will say build and forge a team.

There is no misunderstanding from anyone walking into the Knicks' coaching position: Melo is a question mark, and even if he stays, this is a building opportunity, not a refining one like in GS situation or LAC of last year.