knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

djsunyc wrote:but he changed his life around.

francis...as not.

the dude obviously has issues.. he seeks attention, he seeks love.. He needs help...

This was his personality in the NBA. I remember steve francis jumping on to the scorers table cause we just won a tight game and moved into the final playoff spot in early march, celebrating like we just won a championship, then proceeded to lose 10 straight .

This dude has always been over the top with everything he does, this clip should come as no surprise.

Had this been charlie ward or sprewell os somebody with a decent history, that would have been sad

Being an attention-whore doesn't make you a bad person or undeserving of sympathy though. He seemed like a decent guy with a knucklehead streak. Even so, I don't feel particularly sorry for him but wish him well.

Gotta learn to laugh a little!

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:I find this extremely sad

Its a tale told many times. Even marbury defined himself by his max contract. Go most of your life in the limelight and paid millions and one day its over. Very tough to attain the position he had and even tougher to transition smoothly to other lifes interests.

There are some great stories of players using their career to a springboard to another, and sadly there are many who don't and fade into depression.

Where is the support system for players like him? Where is the brotherhood?

Hearing Duran't speech yesterday and how he cared for each and every teammate, I wonder what he would do if one of "his guys" needed love and support to save them from this collapse.

We build these guys into narcissists and then we crush them.

Dude, he's a multi-millionaire. He could've checked himself into a rehab facility, gotten top-notch psychiatric help or something of the sort. I feel bad for the people who have the same problems he does, without the means to fix them. I don't feel sorry for him.

As for brotherhood, doesn't the NBAPA offer services/help for former players?

Having money and being an addict does not mean that now you have the money to check yourself into Bette Ford, so just do it.

Are you disputing that socioeconomic status does not play a role in access to quality healthcare and in healthcare outcomes?

It improves access and options, but substance misuse issues aren't overcome simply by paying money- it's not like you give someone x amount of dollars and you're cured. Wish it was that simple! Plus there's the person has to realise they have a problem, then they have to want to do something about it, then they have to have the motivation, then they have to figure out the best means of supporting them achieve this, then they have they even bigger challenge of wrestling with their demons. And in all those stages there will be setbacks, lapses, relapses, collapses etc.

Dude, I never implied that. Are you aware that pre-Obamacare, healthcare insurances were not required to include coverage for mental health services? And if they even covered it, many would only include subsidizes for a handful of visits? This was the point that I was trying to make- that he Francis has NO excuse not to see a mental health professional because he has the means to pay for it. On top of that, not all healthcare professionals are created equal. If you are an average-Joe, the likelihood of you seeing someone that is at the top of their field is slim to none. For a guy like Francis, who has grossed approximately $150 million in his lifetime, this isn't a concern. With that kind of money he could buy a ****ing factory of mood elevators/stabilizers. While that doesn't guarantee that he'll get better, it certainly makes him much more likely to.

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

djsunyc wrote:but he changed his life around.

francis...as not.

the dude obviously has issues.. he seeks attention, he seeks love.. He needs help...

This was his personality in the NBA. I remember steve francis jumping on to the scorers table cause we just won a tight game and moved into the final playoff spot in early march, celebrating like we just won a championship, then proceeded to lose 10 straight .

This dude has always been over the top with everything he does, this clip should come as no surprise.

Had this been charlie ward or sprewell os somebody with a decent history, that would have been sad

yea, very true, the guy is seeking attention.. again... he is in a club doing this, so we know he is seeking attention.. it certainly is no surprise to me...

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:I find this extremely sad

Its a tale told many times. Even marbury defined himself by his max contract. Go most of your life in the limelight and paid millions and one day its over. Very tough to attain the position he had and even tougher to transition smoothly to other lifes interests.

There are some great stories of players using their career to a springboard to another, and sadly there are many who don't and fade into depression.

Where is the support system for players like him? Where is the brotherhood?

Hearing Duran't speech yesterday and how he cared for each and every teammate, I wonder what he would do if one of "his guys" needed love and support to save them from this collapse.

We build these guys into narcissists and then we crush them.

Dude, he's a multi-millionaire. He could've checked himself into a rehab facility, gotten top-notch psychiatric help or something of the sort. I feel bad for the people who have the same problems he does, without the means to fix them. I don't feel sorry for him.

As for brotherhood, doesn't the NBAPA offer services/help for former players?

Having money and being an addict does not mean that now you have the money to check yourself into Bette Ford, so just do it.

Are you disputing that socioeconomic status does not play a role in access to quality healthcare and in healthcare outcomes?

It improves access and options, but substance misuse issues aren't overcome simply by paying money- it's not like you give someone x amount of dollars and you're cured. Wish it was that simple! Plus there's the person has to realise they have a problem, then they have to want to do something about it, then they have to have the motivation, then they have to figure out the best means of supporting them achieve this, then they have they even bigger challenge of wrestling with their demons. And in all those stages there will be setbacks, lapses, relapses, collapses etc.

Dude, I never implied that. Are you aware that pre-Obamacare, healthcare insurances were not required to include coverage for mental health services? And if they even covered it, many would only include subsidizes for a handful of visits? This was the point that I was trying to make- that he Francis has NO excuse not to see a mental health professional because he has the means to pay for it. On top of that, not all healthcare professionals are created equal. If you are an average-Joe, the likelihood of you seeing someone that is at the top of their field is slim to none. For a guy like Francis, who has grossed approximately $150 million in his lifetime, this isn't a concern. With that kind of money he could buy a ****ing factory of mood elevators/stabilizers. While that doesn't guarantee that he'll get better, it certainly makes him much more likely to.

Yes you did imply that, you monster!

I agree, it's ridiculous how mental health services seem to get relegated as being almost unimportant, or some sort of luxurious treat. Even the classification of it as being 'mental health' rather than emotional health, shows the dominance of the medical model. I know some people find anti depressants and the prescription drugs route helpful, but I think at the end of the day you need some sort of talk therapy to tackle substance misuse- I think the quality of the relationship between the client and psychotherapist is probably more important than the skill set of the psychotherapist, which is why I think people get mislead when they feel that a therapist must be better just because they charge more.

I can't argue with any of that. I agree wholeheartedly. The dude needs help but that help will first have to start by helping himself. Judging from his physical state, the dude looks like we'll be reading about him OD'ing any day now or suffering from a heart attack.