fishmike wrote:and btw... I dont want Melo for $30mm either. S&T him somewhere

Max he can get is 26 per.

How much is your max?

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:If you max out Melo then you will see more of the same from this year.

whats that? 28 points and 8 boards?

along with no defense, no passing, no leadership and a rotten culture...

again..

no thanks..

TKF,
Does a mentorship of phil and Kerr with a buy in by Melo change your thinking at all that Melo, for a price less than max can be a good thing?

"taming of the shrew" part 3? Jordan, Kobe and perhaps Melo?
I would say at this age Melo would not be "Mt Rushmore" territory but we do know Melo is a very talented player who COULD be a great piece of a system.

Not ISO, not like Woodson used him. His stats would drop, but wins could go up?

nalod, phil is not a miracle worker what he does is tend to find a way to keep super motivated people focused and on their toes...

Nalod, carmelo is a very good volume scorer who could be a piece of a winning team if kept in check.. and for me, that does not spell anything close to 20 mil a year, or even 17 mil a year.. I dont' see him as a very talented "player" or a GREAT piece of a team... He can be a good player on a team that already has their core pieces set.. it is going on year 14 for him.. he is what he is... how many players completely change at this point nalod?

George karl, dantoni and now woodson had carmelo, and in the end the same problems exist.. bad shots, too many shots, no defense and no passing.. along with no leadership... phil isn't coaching.... and I don't know anything about kerr as a coach...

what I want are players who have those skills, traits and need refining.. guys who are eager to learn, improve, and lead.. guys who already defend and pass, but need to take it to that next level...

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:If you max out Melo then you will see more of the same from this year.

whats that? 28 points and 8 boards?

along with no defense, no passing, no leadership and a rotten culture...

again..

no thanks..

TKF,
Does a mentorship of phil and Kerr with a buy in by Melo change your thinking at all that Melo, for a price less than max can be a good thing?

"taming of the shrew" part 3? Jordan, Kobe and perhaps Melo?
I would say at this age Melo would not be "Mt Rushmore" territory but we do know Melo is a very talented player who COULD be a great piece of a system.

Not ISO, not like Woodson used him. His stats would drop, but wins could go up?

nalod, phil is not a miracle worker what he does is tend to find a way to keep super motivated people focused and on their toes...

Nalod, carmelo is a very good volume scorer who could be a piece of a winning team if kept in check.. and for me, that does not spell anything close to 20 mil a year, or even 17 mil a year.. I dont' see him as a very talented "player" or a GREAT piece of a team... He can be a good player on a team that already has their core pieces set.. it is going on year 14 for him.. he is what he is... how many players completely change at this point nalod?

George karl, dantoni and now woodson had carmelo, and in the end the same problems exist.. bad shots, too many shots, no defense and no passing.. along with no leadership... phil isn't coaching.... and I don't know anything about kerr as a coach...

what I want are players who have those skills, traits and need refining.. guys who are eager to learn, improve, and lead.. guys who already defend and pass, but need to take it to that next level...

You have your own standards for Melo which dont apply to any other players in the NBA so its kinda hard to compare. When the rest of the roster fails to perform its going to result in a bad year.

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The guy in not interested in money, he's interested in winning a damn title. The dude is worth a 100 mill if he never plays another game in his life.

He wants wha his buddies have..A TiTle

We spend to much time debating over the financial part of things or what chicago and houston has to offer, rather than looking at what the knicks have to offer.

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

IS THAT WHY he forced his way here before the lockout, fleecing a team he was being traded to?

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

He is nothing like cano.. I like cano, he won a title in NY, he wanted more money. I say he was greedy, but he did win here, now he wanted to get paid...as you guys say, "get your money melo".. well cano is entitled to the same thing..

Also Melo leaves all out on court while Cano won't even run out a grounder...so you're right they're nothing alike. I wish Cano stayed and I'll likely wish Melo stayed were he to leave. At the moment there's no one on the market with his offensive abilities...he won't be easy to replace.

I don't know that there's anything the Bulls or Rockets have to offer that will be equal talent value. Being free from the financial obligations is something Phil might welcome, but he's not getting his Jordan/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe (Kobe/Gasol) if Melo walks or via any S&T this off season.

grillco wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The guy in not interested in money, he's interested in winning a damn title. The dude is worth a 100 mill if he never plays another game in his life.

He wants wha his buddies have..A TiTle

We spend to much time debating over the financial part of things or what chicago and houston has to offer, rather than looking at what the knicks have to offer.

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

IS THAT WHY he forced his way here before the lockout, fleecing a team he was being traded to?

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

He is nothing like cano.. I like cano, he won a title in NY, he wanted more money. I say he was greedy, but he did win here, now he wanted to get paid...as you guys say, "get your money melo".. well cano is entitled to the same thing..

Also Melo leaves all out on court while Cano won't even run out a grounder...so you're right they're nothing alike. I wish Cano stayed and I'll likely wish Melo stayed were he to leave. At the moment there's no one on the market with his offensive abilities...he won't be easy to replace.

I don't know that there's anything the Bulls or Rockets have to offer that will be equal talent value. Being free from the financial obligations is something Phil might welcome, but he's not getting his Jordan/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe (Kobe/Gasol) if Melo walks or via any S&T this off season.

fishmike wrote:

grillco wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The guy in not interested in money, he's interested in winning a damn title. The dude is worth a 100 mill if he never plays another game in his life.

He wants wha his buddies have..A TiTle

We spend to much time debating over the financial part of things or what chicago and houston has to offer, rather than looking at what the knicks have to offer.

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

IS THAT WHY he forced his way here before the lockout, fleecing a team he was being traded to?

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

He is nothing like cano.. I like cano, he won a title in NY, he wanted more money. I say he was greedy, but he did win here, now he wanted to get paid...as you guys say, "get your money melo".. well cano is entitled to the same thing..

Also Melo leaves all out on court while Cano won't even run out a grounder...so you're right they're nothing alike. I wish Cano stayed and I'll likely wish Melo stayed were he to leave. At the moment there's no one on the market with his offensive abilities...he won't be easy to replace.

I don't know that there's anything the Bulls or Rockets have to offer that will be equal talent value. Being free from the financial obligations is something Phil might welcome, but he's not getting his Jordan/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe (Kobe/Gasol) if Melo walks or via any S&T this off season.

Classic TFK post. Melo is always the most productive player on his team but he's a playoff loser. Cano has "won here" and now its OK to want to get paid. By "win here" TFK is reffering to the .192 Cano batted in the one year the Yanks actually made it out of the first round. Or maybe its the .222 Cano is batting over all? Hard to tell.. one can only wonder what goes on in the land of Melo-hate where TFK is king

well fish, cano is a gold glove defender, so if he isn't hitting he sure as hell is defending, maybe all of those years carmelo was shooting 41% in the playoffs, if his fat ass defended he may have advanced..

but oh wait.. in the world of fish mike... IT IS SOMEONE ELSE FAULT!! lets give him 30 mil!!!

92 Cano batted in the one year the Yanks actually made it out of the first round.

DO YOU EVER use google?

2010 AL Championship Series Texas Rangers Lost, 4-2
AL Division Series Minnesota Twins Won, 3-0

2009 World Series Philadelphia Phillies Won, 4-2
AL Championship Series Los Angeles Angels Won, 4-2
AL Division Series Minnesota Twins Won, 3-0

I would take Scott Brosius in the playoffs over him any day.

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

grillco wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The guy in not interested in money, he's interested in winning a damn title. The dude is worth a 100 mill if he never plays another game in his life.

He wants wha his buddies have..A TiTle

We spend to much time debating over the financial part of things or what chicago and houston has to offer, rather than looking at what the knicks have to offer.

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

IS THAT WHY he forced his way here before the lockout, fleecing a team he was being traded to?

Fck melo if he doesn't want to sign, treat his ass just like CANO.

He is nothing like cano.. I like cano, he won a title in NY, he wanted more money. I say he was greedy, but he did win here, now he wanted to get paid...as you guys say, "get your money melo".. well cano is entitled to the same thing..

Also Melo leaves all out on court while Cano won't even run out a grounder...so you're right they're nothing alike. I wish Cano stayed and I'll likely wish Melo stayed were he to leave. At the moment there's no one on the market with his offensive abilities...he won't be easy to replace.

I don't know that there's anything the Bulls or Rockets have to offer that will be equal talent value. Being free from the financial obligations is something Phil might welcome, but he's not getting his Jordan/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe (Kobe/Gasol) if Melo walks or via any S&T this off season.

Classic TFK post. Melo is always the most productive player on his team but he's a playoff loser. Cano has "won here" and now its OK to want to get paid. By "win here" TFK is reffering to the .192 Cano batted in the one year the Yanks actually made it out of the first round. Or maybe its the .222 Cano is batting over all? Hard to tell.. one can only wonder what goes on in the land of Melo-hate where TFK is king

well fish, cano is a gold glove defender, so if he isn't hitting he sure as hell is defending, maybe all of those years carmelo was shooting 41% in the playoffs, if his fat ass defended he may have advanced..

but oh wait.. in the world of fish mike... IT IS SOMEONE ELSE FAULT!! lets give him 30 mil!!!

92 Cano batted in the one year the Yanks actually made it out of the first round.

DO YOU EVER use google?

2010 AL Championship Series Texas Rangers Lost, 4-2
AL Division Series Minnesota Twins Won, 3-0

2009 World Series Philadelphia Phillies Won, 4-2
AL Championship Series Los Angeles Angels Won, 4-2
AL Division Series Minnesota Twins Won, 3-0

good one... No I didnt use Google. I didnt need to to know you were talking out your butt as usual. But yea.. your right again man. Cano: 6 playoffs, 4 first round flame outs and a batting average (Im guessing rather than googling) about 80 points lower then his regular season. Gold glove? Thats a regular season popularity contest.. you know, like Melo's perrenial all star appearance or all-NBA awards. See? This is easy.... Part of the reason Yanks didnt give him a mega contract was he's been terrible in the post season. But he's a champ in the TFK world, despite is annual failures.

Sorry dude. Cano's ring was aquired in spite of his own dreadful performance. But yea.. go on google and scour the internet for something that validates that you know what your talking about. Im sure this will be good.

Oh.. and I had 82 game season tix for Yanks from 96-09, so I was AT the games when Cano was yacking it up. Obviously seeing live isnt as valued as google, but my memory is pretty good on such things.

He's calling Melo a fat azz out of one side of his fistula while swooning over Cano who's been a documented Mr. Lackadaisical both hitting and in the field.

tkf, do you even watch or listen to Yankee games? Even homers like Sterling have been pointing out for years that Cano doesn't run out grounders, he muffs simple plays in the field because he flips the ball rather than firing...

Unreal.

Next up, tkf explains why most members of the Devils and Islanders are historically more valuable to their teams than Melo is.

This is classic. I guess no one commented because it wasn't worth it. Using google, indeed. Heres the perfect time and material to replace that sig line, tkf.

tkf wrote:you would have think we had a spurs type of run, or heat type of run with carmelo here.. but truth be told we have had runs here similar to those of the Isiah days... I just don't get it..

Tell us again how Marbles was a 'real' New Yorker in that one magical season we went to the first round...

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:If you max out Melo then you will see more of the same from this year.

whats that? 28 points and 8 boards?

Probably closer to 6 rpg as a PF (his last non-contract year)