mreinman wrote:

Rookie wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

I think the rush is not wanting to lose him to GS which clearly looks like the better position but it is not clear that they would let MJax go so its a gamble for Kerr to wait.

They have a very good team. He could be sucessful from day 1 there. To bad the NY media are so negative and would likely call the Jackson/Kerr era a bust after the first loss. It can be a real deterent to getting quality people to come to NY. That said, it wouldn't break my heart if we wind up with Thibb's or Brooks as a consolation prize.

GS is having public issues with Jax. Are they stable? A guy wins 51 and can get canned? That would scare me a bit.

Thibs has had his issues with management and I think that he and phil would be a terrible match in philosophy.

Lately, I am not that impressed with Brooks in OKC. And, there is no way that he is getting canned.

yeah, that team is so freaking cheap they keep dumping very good players for nothing. If I was the coach I'd be having issues with management as well. That said...if all the stuff in the press today happens, Jax is putting together an impressive staff and I can be real happy with that.

Rookie wrote:Dear Knicks, please wait before making a hire of Kerr. There will be more candidates becoming available, coaches with more coaching experience. It must be nice to write on your resume 'Phil likes me' these days. But, what we need is a coach. A coach with experience, especialy in NY where the media and fan base never give you a chance from day 1.

This team has been preaching patience for years. Well, now it is your turn Knicks. Please be patient and wait untill all of the coaching candidates have become available. There will surely be some coaching carnage after the playofs. I encourage you to wait till all of the candidates have become available before making a hire of Kerr. While he might be the best dressed candidate right now, a few weeks from now he may also be the least experienced coach available in a deep pool of very qualified candidates.

we have had every kinda of coach you can imgine

most wins as a head coach = lenny wilkens
champinship title = Larry brown
assembled his entire roster= I thomas
high flying euro style coach= MDA
Bafoon company man = Chaney
Defensive minded motivator = woodson

in fact the one coach who had ZERO heed coaching experience( JVG) is still the best caoch we've had since Pat riley

Also to have a Coach and a President with the same philosophy is like you and your wife/GF agreeing on everything..

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

I think the rush is not wanting to lose him to GS which clearly looks like the better position but it is not clear that they would let MJax go so its a gamble for Kerr to wait.

Got it. It also looks like ex-Knick Bill Cartwright might be joining Kerr as an assistant. Glad to hear it.

gunsnewing wrote:Phil wants to bring back good team basketball. Less isos, less 3's and pick n rolls. He can instill the phill phones he learned from guys like Red and Tex and help mold Kerr into a great 2way coach. Kerr has a clean slate and open mind. Not a retread who Phil will clash with. Kerr will be an extension of Phil. Next best thing to Phil coaching. Phil is not suited to get back on the bench at this stage in his life. Everyone on the same page. From Phil to coach to players. Kerr undergoes his first 3 game losing streak and Phil like Riley with Spoestra, will step and help settle them down. In time Phil like Riley will be less hands on and Kerr grow as head coach. Spoelstra today isn't the Spoelstra from 5yrs ago. Riley doesn't Ned to interfere as much. I think this is going to be great. Gone are the days of specialize basketball and running players into th ground. Every man in the rotation will have clear well defined role and they will all feel like they are a part of the winning. Not just 1 guy. Can I get an amen?!

Spolestra was 38, Kerr is 48 and has a pretty substantial resume. I hope he can be the guy you describe at his age and with his accomplishments. While Spolestra had no choice but to be Riley's puppet, Kerr might not be that willing to lie down and be Phil's dog

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Phil wants to bring back good team basketball. Less isos, less 3's and pick n rolls. He can instill the phill phones he learned from guys like Red and Tex and help mold Kerr into a great 2way coach. Kerr has a clean slate and open mind. Not a retread who Phil will clash with. Kerr will be an extension of Phil. Next best thing to Phil coaching. Phil is not suited to get back on the bench at this stage in his life. Everyone on the same page. From Phil to coach to players. Kerr undergoes his first 3 game losing streak and Phil like Riley with Spoestra, will step and help settle them down. In time Phil like Riley will be less hands on and Kerr grow as head coach. Spoelstra today isn't the Spoelstra from 5yrs ago. Riley doesn't Ned to interfere as much. I think this is going to be great. Gone are the days of specialize basketball and running players into th ground. Every man in the rotation will have clear well defined role and they will all feel like they are a part of the winning. Not just 1 guy. Can I get an amen?!

Less 3's?

I don't think so.

Does the triangle reduce 3 point attempts? The top teams shoot a lot of 3's.

Phil said he doesn't like the direction the league is going in being very heavily reliant on pick n rolls and corner 3's. He wants ball and player movement of the ball. Gone are the days of straight up ISO and running stars into the ground. Every player in the rotation will feel like they are important. Look at Phil's history from the Knicks, bulls and lakers. These are the principles of team basketball he wants to see here and will steer Kerr in that direction. I'm sure Kerr is already aware of his principles having played for him. Pops also has many if the same principles. I think Kerr is going to be a good one. It's been a struggle but there's light at the end of the tunnel for us finally

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Phil wants to bring back good team basketball. Less isos, less 3's and pick n rolls. He can instill the phill phones he learned from guys like Red and Tex and help mold Kerr into a great 2way coach. Kerr has a clean slate and open mind. Not a retread who Phil will clash with. Kerr will be an extension of Phil. Next best thing to Phil coaching. Phil is not suited to get back on the bench at this stage in his life. Everyone on the same page. From Phil to coach to players. Kerr undergoes his first 3 game losing streak and Phil like Riley with Spoestra, will step and help settle them down. In time Phil like Riley will be less hands on and Kerr grow as head coach. Spoelstra today isn't the Spoelstra from 5yrs ago. Riley doesn't Ned to interfere as much. I think this is going to be great. Gone are the days of specialize basketball and running players into th ground. Every man in the rotation will have clear well defined role and they will all feel like they are a part of the winning. Not just 1 guy. Can I get an amen?!

Less 3's?

I don't think so.

Does the triangle reduce 3 point attempts? The top teams shoot a lot of 3's.

Phil said he doesn't like the direction the league is going in being very heavily reliant on pick n rolls and corner 3's. He wants ball and player movement of the ball. Gone are the days of straight up ISO and running stars into the ground. Every player in the rotation will feel like they are important. Look at Phil's history from the Knicks, bulls and lakers. These are the principles of team basketball he wants to see here and will steer Kerr in that direction. I'm sure Kerr is already aware of his principles having played for him. Pops also has many if the same principles. I think Kerr is going to be a good one. It's been a struggle but there's light at the end of the tunnel for us finally

Interesting ... I just checked the stats and OKC, Miami and SA are 14, 15 and 16 respectively in 3 point attempts while Atlanta with a Pop disciple is number 2 right behind Houston.

gunsnewing wrote:Shooting excessive 3's is gimmicky for gimmick teams that lack the talent and fundamentals to contend. It's the 54win Knicks

That's a simplistic view. One could argue not stay true to their identity is what hurt the knicks.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Shooting excessive 3's is a gimmick for gimmick teams that lack the talent and fundamentals to contend. It's the 54win Knicks

I don't necessarily agree with that. Teams should cater to their personnel even if they are running a system.

Now I certainly don't want Felton taking too many 3's though I would like to see Melo take fewer contested 2's and more assisted 3's.

You may not like MDA but his 3 chucking teams played way over their heads and came close to winning it all.

Now ... I am not sure if the Houston system works and can win but it certainly can't with Harden chucking up bricks and the team having no PG.

Phil may be looking for a happy medium which may be more than he was used to but not like Houston and MDA teams.

I like the Portland model but with a more efficient Aldridge. Playoff Aldridge is fine.

Sidenote its very interesting watching Griffin and Aldridge play against teams who can't matchup with them.

knicks1248 wrote:

Rookie wrote:Dear Knicks, please wait before making a hire of Kerr. There will be more candidates becoming available, coaches with more coaching experience. It must be nice to write on your resume 'Phil likes me' these days. But, what we need is a coach. A coach with experience, especialy in NY where the media and fan base never give you a chance from day 1.

This team has been preaching patience for years. Well, now it is your turn Knicks. Please be patient and wait untill all of the coaching candidates have become available. There will surely be some coaching carnage after the playofs. I encourage you to wait till all of the candidates have become available before making a hire of Kerr. While he might be the best dressed candidate right now, a few weeks from now he may also be the least experienced coach available in a deep pool of very qualified candidates.

we have had every kinda of coach you can imgine

most wins as a head coach = lenny wilkens
champinship title = Larry brown
assembled his entire roster= I thomas
high flying euro style coach= MDA
Bafoon company man = Chaney
Defensive minded motivator = woodson

in fact the one coach who had ZERO heed coaching experience( JVG) is still the best caoch we've had since Pat riley

Also to have a Coach and a President with the same philosophy is like you and your wife/GF agreeing on everything..

JVG was at least an assistant for 20 years before taking over. Kerr is bringing his talking head act, his Phil rings and precious little else.
This team doesn't need a Phil rubber stamp.

We've had a bunch of loons and father figures.

We need a task master who instantly demands respect. As a coach. Not as a team mouthpiece for Phil.
If such a person exists.

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Rookie wrote:Dear Knicks, please wait before making a hire of Kerr. There will be more candidates becoming available, coaches with more coaching experience. It must be nice to write on your resume 'Phil likes me' these days. But, what we need is a coach. A coach with experience, especialy in NY where the media and fan base never give you a chance from day 1.

This team has been preaching patience for years. Well, now it is your turn Knicks. Please be patient and wait untill all of the coaching candidates have become available. There will surely be some coaching carnage after the playofs. I encourage you to wait till all of the candidates have become available before making a hire of Kerr. While he might be the best dressed candidate right now, a few weeks from now he may also be the least experienced coach available in a deep pool of very qualified candidates.

we have had every kinda of coach you can imgine

most wins as a head coach = lenny wilkens
champinship title = Larry brown
assembled his entire roster= I thomas
high flying euro style coach= MDA
Bafoon company man = Chaney
Defensive minded motivator = woodson

in fact the one coach who had ZERO heed coaching experience( JVG) is still the best caoch we've had since Pat riley

Also to have a Coach and a President with the same philosophy is like you and your wife/GF agreeing on everything..

JVG was at least an assistant for 20 years before taking over. Kerr is bringing his talking head act, his Phil rings and precious little else.
This team doesn't need a Phil rubber stamp.

We've had a bunch of loons and father figures.

We need a task master who instantly demands respect. As a coach. Not as a team mouthpiece for Phil.
If such a person exists.

Kidd got his respect. Whats his experience? 20 year career, all star, and has a title.

What was Jax? Two rings, assistant coach, role player under Red HOlzman.

Kerr opens up his jewelry box he finds three with the bulls, and two with Spurs. As a role player with limited athletic gifts the man over came the murder of his father, made a name for himself in college, at one time had to rehab a blown knee, made the NBA, stayed in the NBA, and contributed to 5 chips. Role players see things, role players absorb, Role players with limited athletic gifts have to work harder to stick. He played under Pop and Jax in the pro's. Not a bad mentorship. He was GM for a few years for New owner Sarver in PHX. Another insight. As an announcer he has risen to be the top in his field as "color man". He is a bright guy.

Now, no guarantee this translates to anything but he has a good resume of achievement. I think some of you want some ex video geek with crazy IQ and analytical skills who has risen thru the ranks and been top assitant to Pop or part of another tree. Not a bad idea but Kerr also brings cred as a player, GM, talking head, and will not just be a strap on for Jax, but one that can take the mentorship and perhaps grow even beyond Phil!

His weekness will be on the spot crunch time quick decisions but he should have some experience on the bench. Mistakes will be made as part of the learning curve.

Lots we dont' know. We don't know if any back channel moves have his hiring as a prerequisite. AKA: Melo stays if we bring Kerr to the bench? Lebron would consider the triangle under Kerr..........

I know, its fantasy talk, but this is how shyt gets done. Lebron considered NYC before but the combonation of Isiah slivering the recuritment and Donnie weak after surgery leaving Dolan to akwardly make the presentation im sure was comical. Phil brings cred. If Lebron is thinking of his options beyond Miami, he'll take Phils call.

Thats all it takes to get started, gotta take the call!!!!!